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Subject: Halo 2 vrs. Halo 3. Why halo 3 is better.

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Posted by: Kasith
You explained your topic very well, very detailed, but as I can see, you did not even try to take in account of any real positives in Halo 2, nor did you really point out any negatives in Halo 1 or Halo 3.

First off, (dont mean to offend, but) it is clear that the name for the name of this topic should be "Halo 2 sucks, read my topic before flaming" Seeing as how you did not really compare Halo 2 and Halo 3, but rather point out every negative in Halo 2, and bring a few tidbits of comparison to Halo 3.

Though I do understand you point of view on Halo 2, but sadly, is the fact you never even mentioned that Halo 2 was a rushed game, Bungie was givin a deadline, pretty much 9 months to create and finish a game, as opposed to Halo 1 or Halo 3, where they had a lot of time to find and fix any glitches or bugs.

Despite the fact that the game was rushed, it was actually a very good game, campaign wise for me at least.

In Halo 1, it was a simple plot, Aliens are killing off the human race, they are religious, and you find yourself on a ancient alien relic which they covet, you must survive and kill everything in your path to save your race, and of course, find many secrets within the ring.

In Halo 2, the Covenant is givin an actual existence, they are giving detail, and shown that they are not just some weird alliance of killer aliens, and the plot of the game is more complex and detailed, with new events and such that lead up to halo 3

As for the marine driving skills, that was a first, like the AI of the marines of Halo CE, (keep in mind that they are terrible shots in that game, even with a freaking plasma rifle which is accurate, they still scream friendly fire at each other as they shoot themselves when trying to kill the enemy) But again that was a first.

Of course, there is more, but you can find that out for yourself through your own choice of Halo lore/game research.

Next time you try to draw in the whole "this game sucks, here is why it sucks, compared to the older/newer games" Do a thorough research, and make a FAIR comparison.

(by fair comparison, list every negative, and positive on Halo 2, and Halo 3)

Im not trying to attack you, again, I like Halo 2, and its many great things, save the glitches, gotta love the elite ranks.

*sigh*

I thought everybody liked it when people pointed out the points of what the games lack and have strengths in... it goes straight to the point. And besides i thought this list was long enough... if i listed every strength and negitive in both game than damn who would read it? And i dont have that kind of time.


And it sounded like you were trying to say that halo 2 being rushed is a strength?

  • 09.10.2008 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Grumpy1
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Well, you certainly know how to start a flame war. As you said, you enjoy a flame war. What I don't understand is why you would set up a topic where the title and the first part of the thread is full of venom, then feign anger when people act exactly the way you had hoped/planned.

I thought Kasith had valid statements and I would rather see you respond to posts like his. If not, I'll assume you only made the topic to flame.



well i dont see any real flamming in here, do you? So no i didnt make this a flame war thread. If i did want to it would be 3 lines long saying "halo 2 sucks loololollolollol".

  • 09.10.2008 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grave Mind 789
Posted by: Kasith
You explained your topic very well, very detailed, but as I can see, you did not even try to take in account of any real positives in Halo 2, nor did you really point out any negatives in Halo 1 or Halo 3.

First off, (dont mean to offend, but) it is clear that the name for the name of this topic should be "Halo 2 sucks, read my topic before flaming" Seeing as how you did not really compare Halo 2 and Halo 3, but rather point out every negative in Halo 2, and bring a few tidbits of comparison to Halo 3.

Though I do understand you point of view on Halo 2, but sadly, is the fact you never even mentioned that Halo 2 was a rushed game, Bungie was givin a deadline, pretty much 9 months to create and finish a game, as opposed to Halo 1 or Halo 3, where they had a lot of time to find and fix any glitches or bugs.

Despite the fact that the game was rushed, it was actually a very good game, campaign wise for me at least.

In Halo 1, it was a simple plot, Aliens are killing off the human race, they are religious, and you find yourself on a ancient alien relic which they covet, you must survive and kill everything in your path to save your race, and of course, find many secrets within the ring.

In Halo 2, the Covenant is givin an actual existence, they are giving detail, and shown that they are not just some weird alliance of killer aliens, and the plot of the game is more complex and detailed, with new events and such that lead up to halo 3

As for the marine driving skills, that was a first, like the AI of the marines of Halo CE, (keep in mind that they are terrible shots in that game, even with a freaking plasma rifle which is accurate, they still scream friendly fire at each other as they shoot themselves when trying to kill the enemy) But again that was a first.

Of course, there is more, but you can find that out for yourself through your own choice of Halo lore/game research.

Next time you try to draw in the whole "this game sucks, here is why it sucks, compared to the older/newer games" Do a thorough research, and make a FAIR comparison.

(by fair comparison, list every negative, and positive on Halo 2, and Halo 3)

Im not trying to attack you, again, I like Halo 2, and its many great things, save the glitches, gotta love the elite ranks.

*sigh*

I thought everybody liked it when people pointed out the points of what the games lack and have strengths in... it goes straight to the point. And besides i thought this list was long enough... if i listed every strength and negitive in both game than damn who would read it? And i dont have that kind of time.


And it sounded like you were trying to say that halo 2 being rushed is a strength?


No, I dont mean that Halo 2 being rushed was a good thing, it was just something that stood reason to not blame bungie that badly, you seem to have listed all these "factors" as though bungie purposely betrayed its own consumers with a lazily built game, which was not true.



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Halo 3 is completely uncompetitively balanced. There is not a is not any well balanced equiptment that is useful. How hard is it to miss with a power drain and your sheilds are gone instantly. The regen is near impossible to kill someone in even if you team shoot. The bubble sheild slows gameplay down to a crawl. No way to defend yourself from a descent sniper on spawn although I do like the sniper skill gap in halo 3 but thats about it. -blam!- elite hitboxes and the BR is so much luck in swat depending on connection and the random spread. I would take superbounces, BXB over the packet loss glitch that causes shots not to register any day. Halo 3 also has the actic on the pit, thousands of place on narrows, the area below construct, the fence on rats nest, so many hidden ledge on blackout and guardian, The game was faster pased and camping wasn't as common and as successful and was balanced by grenades and BXR. The sword wasn't an underpowered camping weapon you could actually use it when the battle got close range. The respawn timing for could have been better. There was actually a skill gap in FFA if you had the correct gametype. It took less time to kill and so more kills when earned deservingly in Halo 3 it just a kill stealling game. The melee's lung can be done when you not even looking at someone which is so annoying cause someone who doesn't know how aim can still just as easily take off your sheilds as someone who does know how to aim. The lung in halo 2 you actually had to be looking at them.
Posted by: Grave Mind 789

WHICH TAKES MORE SKILL: HALO 2 OR HALO 3

You’re an idiot if you think one game takes a lot more skill than the other. I also don’t believe it’s easier to get to 50 in halo 3. I think it seems that way because people actually try to get to 50 since they get to be a general once they do.

[quote] This is probebly the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There is probably more people trying in halo 3 but that is completely out of proportion. A person can get a 50 in 20 games in halo 2 it took way more than that.












MY CONCLUSION:
If halo 3 came out before halo 2 you guys would like halo 3 more.

People only like older games becuase it makes them "spoiled" in a way so that when newer better versons come they dislike some very very small bad features and hate the game becuase they are to use to the older one. This only applies to sequels.

-rant concluded-

  • 09.11.2008 7:44 PM PDT

Ha Ha ur reading this :)

Listen mate i like halo 3 and halo 2 there both great games
what i loved in halo 2 was
Brutes
Enviroments
MP Maps
Campaign

and halo 3 is

Grunts
Scarab
Forge
Theatre

and besides there technology was far more limited when they made halo 2 compared to halo 3 and if you don't like that you can GTFO and go to the halo 3 forum

[Edited on 09.12.2008 12:46 PM PDT]

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well many of the things you brought up our valid, i think you left out one key thing:

halo 2's gameplay was about twice as fast as halo 3's. This one thing, in my opinion, completely ruined halo 3.

  • 09.13.2008 6:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: lordofthegrave
well many of the things you brought up our valid, i think you left out one key thing:

halo 2's gameplay was about twice as fast as halo 3's. This one thing, in my opinion, completely ruined halo 3.

well, maybe thats just your opinion or maybe u just exaggerated a bit, but...

halo 1 was for sure faster than halo 2. Why dont you like halo 1 better than? And although this doesnt apply to you, some people like games to be a little bit more slow

and maybe its been a while, like a month or so, but i dont rember halo 2 being faster paced...

  • 09.13.2008 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Grave Mind 789
but i dont rember halo 2 being faster paced...

It is, why do you think MLG had to turn the player speed to 110% in Halo 3?

[Edited on 09.13.2008 10:12 AM PDT]

  • 09.13.2008 10:11 AM PDT
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Uhh...

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Wow. Your text was one of the best comparative text i've ever read. And people just like Halo 2 because it's the old way. If Bungie lauches Halo 4, everybody will say Halo 3 was way best than Halo 4.

  • 09.14.2008 3:09 PM PDT
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The only thing Halo 2 has on Halo 3 is the campaign thats 10 times longer and better

  • 09.14.2008 3:17 PM PDT

Sigh. I your support is really weak. Halo 2 has faster more skill oriented gameplay. Halo 3 has slow trading kill for kill less skill oriented gameplay.

  • 09.14.2008 5:18 PM PDT
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Can I help you, or were you just browsing?

I love my AK.

Send me a group invite...

... And I will find you, and show you your heart pulled out of your chest whilst you're still alive. :)

I instantly stopped reading after I saw you had over 2000 games on Halo 3 played, and only 24 on Halo 2.

You're just wasting your time, and it seems by the way you write, it seems like you have a bias towards Halo 3.

FYI kid, they are both great games. Now go and think about how much time and effort you have wasted trying to convince people that you don't know, and who you probably won't meet that game A is better than game B.

Both are great games.

  • 09.14.2008 5:56 PM PDT
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halo 3 is better because it has better guns

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Yeah, In Valhalla, you get that epic feeling when you jump over the hill and come plummeting down on your enemies, while in Coag you just kill anything that isn't a sniper, rocket launcher, or other vehicle.

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true that

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the thing i like about halo 3 is the map gurdian

  • 09.14.2008 6:51 PM PDT

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Well Halo 3 Campaign is a league ahead of the Halo 2 Campaign. I've never liked the Halo 2 Campaign, to me it was too linear and had none of the interesting aspects of Halo 1. Halo 3 Campaign was much better for me.

But the multiplayer is more difficult to distinguish. Halo 3 certainly looks prettier but the maps aren't as good, every map in Halo 3 has a better equivalent or more alternatives in Halo 2. I prefer the weapon and gameplay mechanics of Halo 3, the equipment, the new vehicles but the Laser is horrible and the tanks are pathetic.

I have quite mixed feelings about it.

  • 09.16.2008 12:30 PM PDT
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Well no duh,halo2 is 3 years older than halo3.Just GTFO,you blasted troll.

  • 09.17.2008 4:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sumug1ychick
Yeah, In Valhalla, you get that epic feeling when you jump over the hill and come plummeting down on your enemies, while in Coag you just kill anything that isn't a sniper, rocket launcher, or other vehicle.

yeah i like that too

  • 10.22.2008 9:58 PM PDT

Just message me on live.

You have a point, but we like old games. I also think it's fun to visit old games that have certain parts that are better. I mostly do agree with you.

  • 10.23.2008 12:44 PM PDT

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TEAM Free For All? I can't wait to see how Bungie pulls this one off.

Yeah, it's awesome. Legendary Brawl is the world's only 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 team multiplayer experience.

Posted by: Grave Mind 789
1.The middle of garden is a constant warzone. It’s barely possible to cross the map without being dying.

2.Halo 3 is very similar to halo 2’s game play, but of course it’s better; for Bungie wouldn’t have realized halo 3 tell it was.

3. Bubble shields and power drainers are great for game play.

4.The sword duels in halo 3 are a lot better than just randomness when it was sword vrs. sword like it was in halo 2.

5.Halo 3 only has 4 grenades max in match making. Good, 8 is 4 too many.

6.Halo 3 also has a much more interesting choice of match making.

7.And halo 3’s maps are smaller (most of them are), which makes the game faster paced.

8.I also don’t believe it’s easier to get to 50 in halo 3. I think it seems that way because people actually try to get to 50 since they get to be a general once they do.

9.If halo 3 came out before halo 2 you guys would like halo 3 more.

10.People would camp Lockout’s grav lift. The trees that you can jump up to is better. And man cannons are an easier more exiting way to get around


1.Being Dying? This statement makes the Thread An EPIC FAIL!
2.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL!
3.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL! IMO the power drainer is just like a giant noob combo except worse and I thought You hated halo 2. And that was alot of halo 2.
4.You bearly ever got in sword battles in halo 2 and in halo 3 the battles are bad and go on for too long. By the time both you and your openent are one shot in FFA, someone can just throw a nade and get a double.
5.Good, 8 is 4 too many? Another EPIC FAIL! and another opinion.
6.EPIC FAIL! HOW? Halo 2 has more variety. The only reason there's less playlists is because the population is low. Theres Rumble Pit, Team Snipers, Team Slayer, Team Skirmish, Team Hardcore, BTB, Swat, and other playlists. Plus there's so many more maps that you can play on.
7.The Gameplay is slower in halo 3 overall and the size of the maps doesnt even affect that. If you have an open box as a map the game would still go on for like 30 minutes because everyone camps.
8.Have You Ever Tried to get a 50 in halo 2? Theres bearly any legit 50s. Halo 2 i could and have gotten a 50 in one day.
9.COMPLETE FU*KING OPINION.EPIC FAIL.
10. How do mancanons make gameplay more exciting? More like more predicting and obvious, if someones coming up the lift to sniper tower on guardian and i have a sniper i can just look up and noscope him and hes screwed.


[Edited on 10.23.2008 3:15 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Twis777
Posted by: Grave Mind 789
1.The middle of garden is a constant warzone. It’s barely possible to cross the map without being dying.

2.Halo 3 is very similar to halo 2’s game play, but of course it’s better; for Bungie wouldn’t have realized halo 3 tell it was.

3. Bubble shields and power drainers are great for game play.

4.The sword duels in halo 3 are a lot better than just randomness when it was sword vrs. sword like it was in halo 2.

5.Halo 3 only has 4 grenades max in match making. Good, 8 is 4 too many.

6.Halo 3 also has a much more interesting choice of match making.

7.And halo 3’s maps are smaller (most of them are), which makes the game faster paced.

8.I also don’t believe it’s easier to get to 50 in halo 3. I think it seems that way because people actually try to get to 50 since they get to be a general once they do.

9.If halo 3 came out before halo 2 you guys would like halo 3 more.

10.People would camp Lockout’s grav lift. The trees that you can jump up to is better. And man cannons are an easier more exiting way to get around


1.Being Dying? This statement makes the Thread An EPIC FAIL!
2.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL!
3.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL! IMO the power drainer is just like a giant noob combo except worse and I thought You hated halo 2. And that was alot of halo 2.
4.You bearly ever got in sword battles in halo 2 and in halo 3 the battles are bad and go on for too long. By the time both you and your openent are one shot in FFA, someone can just throw a nade and get a double.
5.Good, 8 is 4 too many? Another EPIC FAIL! and another opinion.
6.EPIC FAIL! HOW? Halo 2 has more variety. The only reason there's less playlists is because the population is low. Theres Rumble Pit, Team Snipers, Team Slayer, Team Skirmish, Team Hardcore, BTB, Swat, and other playlists. Plus there's so many more maps that you can play on.
7.The Gameplay is slower in halo 3 overall and the size of the maps doesnt even affect that. If you have an open box as a map the game would still go on for like 30 minutes because everyone camps.
8.Have You Ever Tried to get a 50 in halo 2? Theres bearly any legit 50s. Halo 2 i could and have gotten a 50 in one day.
9.COMPLETE FU*KING OPINION.EPIC FAIL.
10. How do mancanons make gameplay more exciting? More like more predicting and obvious, if someones coming up the lift to sniper tower on guardian and i have a sniper i can just look up and noscope him and hes screwed.


I just think we should stop arguing with him, he still doesn't get that Halo 2 is a lot better than H3

  • 10.23.2008 7:30 PM PDT
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This thread's purpose was to "flame" Halo 2, alot of what he said were oppinions indeed against halo 2, if anything, he even brought up some "factors" Halo CE had over halo 2.

Anyway, let this stupid post die already, Halo 2 had ups and downs, but all in all, it was a great and memorable game that I sitll play to this day.

[Edited on 10.23.2008 9:34 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Twis777
Posted by: Grave Mind 789
1.The middle of garden is a constant warzone. It’s barely possible to cross the map without being dying.

2.Halo 3 is very similar to halo 2’s game play, but of course it’s better; for Bungie wouldn’t have realized halo 3 tell it was.

3. Bubble shields and power drainers are great for game play.

4.The sword duels in halo 3 are a lot better than just randomness when it was sword vrs. sword like it was in halo 2.

5.Halo 3 only has 4 grenades max in match making. Good, 8 is 4 too many.

6.Halo 3 also has a much more interesting choice of match making.

7.And halo 3’s maps are smaller (most of them are), which makes the game faster paced.

8.I also don’t believe it’s easier to get to 50 in halo 3. I think it seems that way because people actually try to get to 50 since they get to be a general once they do.

9.If halo 3 came out before halo 2 you guys would like halo 3 more.

10.People would camp Lockout’s grav lift. The trees that you can jump up to is better. And man cannons are an easier more exiting way to get around


1.Being Dying? This statement makes the Thread An EPIC FAIL!
2.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL!
3.Complete opinion, Which makes the Thead An EPIC FAIL! IMO the power drainer is just like a giant noob combo except worse and I thought You hated halo 2. And that was alot of halo 2.
4.You bearly ever got in sword battles in halo 2 and in halo 3 the battles are bad and go on for too long. By the time both you and your openent are one shot in FFA, someone can just throw a nade and get a double.
5.Good, 8 is 4 too many? Another EPIC FAIL! and another opinion.
6.EPIC FAIL! HOW? Halo 2 has more variety. The only reason there's less playlists is because the population is low. Theres Rumble Pit, Team Snipers, Team Slayer, Team Skirmish, Team Hardcore, BTB, Swat, and other playlists. Plus there's so many more maps that you can play on.
7.The Gameplay is slower in halo 3 overall and the size of the maps doesnt even affect that. If you have an open box as a map the game would still go on for like 30 minutes because everyone camps.
8.Have You Ever Tried to get a 50 in halo 2? Theres bearly any legit 50s. Halo 2 i could and have gotten a 50 in one day.
9.COMPLETE FU*KING OPINION.EPIC FAIL.
10. How do mancanons make gameplay more exciting? More like more predicting and obvious, if someones coming up the lift to sniper tower on guardian and i have a sniper i can just look up and noscope him and hes screwed.


Twis777

Dude, it's just an freaking opinion, gosh, it's not like your going to die over a opinion, really. I actually like Halo 3 better, but Halo 2 was still fun in many ways. Anyway, i know your going to bring your cocky comments on me, but it's just an opinion, get over it and grow up.

[Edited on 11.21.2008 7:46 PM PST]

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