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Subject: Master Chief having gadgets, like grapple gun, etc.

When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down. Therefore, if a slice of toast is strapped to a cat's back, buttered side up, and the animal is then dropped, the two opposing forces will cause it to hover, spinning inches above the ground. If enough toast-laden felines were used, they could form the basis of a high-speed monorail system.

I don't know, but i think i read in an update that the Chief would have gadgets.

  • 06.30.2004 7:23 AM PDT
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Are you talking about the MC or Batman? i think it would make the game too complex. and you don't want Halo 2 to become a action adventure game do you? i think not.

  • 06.30.2004 7:25 AM PDT
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Yes in his last update, Frankie said that in looking over the maunual, he knows every weapon vehicle and gadget in the game and how to use it. Now.. he is either pulling our leg , or there are gagets. Hopefuly night and thermal vision in the helmet ( like in the books) or the anit tank mines.

  • 06.30.2004 7:26 AM PDT

When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet, and when toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down. Therefore, if a slice of toast is strapped to a cat's back, buttered side up, and the animal is then dropped, the two opposing forces will cause it to hover, spinning inches above the ground. If enough toast-laden felines were used, they could form the basis of a high-speed monorail system.

Posted by: Major Pain
Are you talking about the MC or Batman? i think it would make the game too complex. and you don't want Halo 2 to become a action adventure game do you? i think not.

I agree. But i just thought i heard sumwhere that he was going to.

  • 06.30.2004 7:27 AM PDT
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When it was mentioned that he had new "tools", the writer was using the colloquial term "tools of the trade" which in a Spartan's case would include guns and explosives.

I did design a wicked cool grappling gun I'd love to see put in. A sniper would love that sort of thing, using it to get up to unique sniper posts.

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Posted by: Draerden
When it was mentioned that he had new "tools", the writer was using the colloquial term "tools of the trade" which in a Spartan's case would include guns and explosives.

I did design a wicked cool grappling gun I'd love to see put in. A sniper would love that sort of thing, using it to get up to unique sniper posts.


well in that case it would be cool, but look at the topic:Master Chief having gadgets, like grapple gun, etc.

  • 06.30.2004 7:33 AM PDT
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If they put crappy "gadgets" into Halo 2 and made it into another -blam!- james bond game then god help us all.. but i don't think bungie is that stupid... i hope...

  • 06.30.2004 7:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Major Pain
well in that case it would be cool, but look at the topic:Master Chief having gadgets, like grapple gun, etc.


I don't see your point, I was talking about the existance of "tools" in Halo2. One thing I don't want to see though is thermographic vision, while logical, it would make my job a little too easy.

Here is my Grapple Gun which I'd love to see implemented:

MX-3 Grapple/Rapple Gun

Assigned to Spartans and ODST's performing special assignments the MX-3 is used to access areas and engage enemies where they least expect it. Physically the device resembles an overlarge pistol with an extendable stock and can sometimes be mistaken for a single shot grenade launcher at first glance.

The gun fires an advanced alloy piton with extreme velocity, trailing a cord created using carbon nano-tubes. Once imbedded in rock or metal, three prongs drill backwards, mooring the piton to sufficiently support the weight of a half ton Spartan. Once imbedded the person using the piton can wind in the cord, ascending, by pressing the "in the right thumbstick". He can unreel, lowering himself, by pressing the "Left thumbstick". While suspended in the air he can look freely by using the right thumbstick as normal and can shift his weight, allowing him to swing with the left thumbstick. Other options include jumping off of a surface for faster downwards movement and greater swinging arc and cutting the cord by pressing the "Y button" once.

Unfortunately, using the MX-3 counts as a single handed weapon. Thus, only one other single handed weapon can be use at the same time as the MX-3. (For two reasons, one... holding a two handed weapon is kind of silly, and two- we need the Y button to cut the cord)

This would be an amazing OPTIONAL weapon allowing an entirely new dimension to multiplay. It is also the Sniper's dream, allowing him to reach sniper's perches in the most unobvious of places.

  • 06.30.2004 8:15 AM PDT
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he is not james bond so no. he is a hardcore bad ass super soldier who uses tactics and firepower. so, no, i am against gadgets.

  • 06.30.2004 8:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: bentfishy
he is not james bond so no. he is a hardcore bad ass super soldier who uses tactics and firepower. so, no, i am against gadgets.

Guns and Vehicles are gadgets...
Getting to the high ground is tactical, using binoculars is tactical...
Being a "bad ass" soldier is about using what you have to the greatest effect. Today's marines, SEALs and rangers use grapples, binoculars, laster distancers and the like.. They are bad ass so why not Master Chief?

  • 06.30.2004 8:24 AM PDT
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no they r not. they are weapons. vehicles are vehicles.

  • 06.30.2004 8:25 AM PDT
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im just saying y mess with a winning formula. halo didnt have gadgets like the ones u r talking about. so y should halo 2.

  • 06.30.2004 8:26 AM PDT
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The masterchief had a flashlight and a motion tracker at all times. When he carried the assault rifle he had a compass, when he carried a pistol he had binoculars and when he carried the sniper rifle he had a starlight scope.

The gadgets are already there in different fashions.

The trick is to make them seemless and integral. If they did have grapple guns and the like you could simply not learn to master them or possibly even turn them off in your own multiplayer games but personally, I like the idea of hanging over a doorway on a rope with an SMG ready. There's a lot of strategy there.

  • 06.30.2004 8:34 AM PDT
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I agree with everyone else, I think that gadgets (i.e. grappling hooks) would make the game too James Bond-like. Which would suck.

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Posted by: Draerden
The masterchief had a flashlight and a motion tracker at all times. When he carried the assault rifle he had a compass, when he carried a pistol he had binoculars and when he carried the sniper rifle he had a starlight scope.

The gadgets are already there in different fashions.

The trick is to make them seemless and integral. If they did have grapple guns and the like you could simply not learn to master them or possibly even turn them off in your own multiplayer games but personally, I like the idea of hanging over a doorway on a rope with an SMG ready. There's a lot of strategy there.


It's Halo, not Splinter Cell.

  • 06.30.2004 8:36 AM PDT
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*takes away Flood Infections binoculars that he was going to have in Halo2, then swipes his motion tracker* Natch! :) No gadgets for you.

  • 06.30.2004 8:37 AM PDT
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I wasn't talking about the motion tracker OR the binoculars.... I just think a grappling hook or a stun laser or a lock opener would make it too James Bondish. MC doesn't use stealth to infiltrate bases (although that IS an option now), he uses force. I just don't want to see the game turn into a Splinter Cell or James Bond. It's Halo, and Halo is good.

  • 06.30.2004 8:48 AM PDT
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Sprinting could be construed as a 'tool'

I'm not sure about a grappling hook, but binoculars, thermal and night vision would be excellent tools, especially if there are to be more stealthy sections. Imagine geting the drop on a dark room full of a dozen pissed of Brutes searching for you. Sure, you could just bast away at them with whatever you have, but it could be cooler to sneak your way across. You sure as hell want some kind of helpfull gadget there.

And to those of you that say thermal and night vision would ruin it, this is 500 years in the future, a super soldier had better have some goddamn night vision. A flashlight might look cool for lighting effects, but a passive system is better. Period.

[Edited on 6/30/2004 8:56:45 AM]

  • 06.30.2004 8:54 AM PDT
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i hate the idea, it is crap, i dont want it to be ANYTHING like splinter cell, or any of Tom Clancy's crap!

  • 06.30.2004 9:03 AM PDT
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The point is... you should be able to get by using both methods. Cortana was installed in the Master Chief's armour primarily as a lock pick.

The difference between a Jame Bond video game and Halo should be that you can always resort to overwhelming force if you so desire. In Bond you were forced to do things in specific sequences and forced to use your gadgets. Gadgets should give you an edge up in what you're doing, not be totally indispensable.

Take the gravity lift in Truth & Reconciliation for example, you can silently take out your enemies with your sniper rifle or go in all guns blazing. You're much more likely to survive if you do the former but if you're good you can do the latter as well. So should it be with gadgets.

Also, stun laser? What? Who made that weirdness up? Bond Gadgets are all about making complex look like something totally mundane. Things like making a transmitter fit into an electric shaver so that it couldn't be discovered while undercover.

  • 06.30.2004 9:05 AM PDT
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there r grappels i think some1 told me that said u played halo 2

  • 06.30.2004 9:12 AM PDT
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im with you, i reckon gadets (this is a bad term) would give the game new heights. like hes already said you could do so much more. but i wouldnt be any of 'tom clancy's crap' (i like his games). and it wouldnt be james bond, it would be better. it would be better to have the choice, than have nothing at all. like he said if you dont like it, dont use it.

  • 06.30.2004 9:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Draerden
The point is... you should be able to get by using both methods. Cortana was installed in the Master Chief's armour primarily as a lock pick.

The difference between a Jame Bond video game and Halo should be that you can always resort to overwhelming force if you so desire. In Bond you were forced to do things in specific sequences and forced to use your gadgets. Gadgets should give you an edge up in what you're doing, not be totally indispensable.

Take the gravity lift in Truth & Reconciliation for example, you can silently take out your enemies with your sniper rifle or go in all guns blazing. You're much more likely to survive if you do the former but if you're good you can do the latter as well. So should it be with gadgets.

Also, stun laser? What? Who made that weirdness up? Bond Gadgets are all about making complex look like something totally mundane. Things like making a transmitter fit into an electric shaver so that it couldn't be discovered while undercover.


James Bond has a watch that emits a lock pick, grappling hook, and a stun laser. If MC does get a grappling hook, it BETTER be more realistic than coming out of a watch.

  • 06.30.2004 9:19 AM PDT
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i think halo did so well because of its "simplicity" two guns, two grenade types, a jump, a melee attack, a crouch, and a flashlight. and that was all you had.

  • 06.30.2004 9:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: Flood Infection
James Bond has a watch that emits a lock pick, grappling hook, and a stun laser. If MC does get a grappling hook, it BETTER be more realistic than coming out of a watch.


Yes. Well, the Master Chief doesn't have to hide his Gadgets. So he wouldn't carry a pack of cigarettes that really was a bomb *LOL*

I designed my own Grapple Gun which I've posted around here a few times and a few other gadgets. One of which was a silent weapon that could take out an Elite with a single shot through his shields, though with such a long reload time that it wasn't feasible in an intense firefight.

I woudn't mind seeing the C-7 foaming explosive thought I think that would be hard to implement in game, flash grenades would be interesting but probably too overpowered. The Chief uses an optical snake nearly constantly in the novels and I've always thought it was a requirement for a Special Op.

The big problem is that the Master Chief is a futuristic version of Sam Fisher. He's a special operative that sneaks into enemy strongholds and causes havoc. He's successfully infiltrated and taken a Covenant Flagship, the Ascendant Justice and afterwards destroyed a fleet of nearly 500 Covenant starships with just a few fellow Spartans by sneaking aboard their repair and refuel depot and blowing it all to hell.

The only real difference between the two is that the Chief is built like a tank and can dish out tremendous amounts of punishment. He has to considering what he's up against.

Things I would "not" want to see would be a Jet Pack, a cutting laser or a grapple built into his armour. I can see him having to go find a cutting torch from a machine ship or going out to find a banshee or even picking up a grapple gun but I don't want everything built into his armour. Human technology in the Halo universe is large and clunky for some reason and it needs to remain so in order to keep things believable.

  • 06.30.2004 9:43 AM PDT

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