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Subject: Halo gets blamed for Sniping of 2002... do you believe this?
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1. The kid could of had many metal problems
2. He thinks that if he snipes someone theyll come back
3. He could have been on drugs of some sort to make it seem like a game
4. If this guy really is concerned why doesnt he have a job at ESRB?

  • 05.28.2005 10:19 AM PDT
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censorship and blame things like this make me think of bill hicks. He dealt with the music and -blam!- side of it, but I think it fits - "what came first, the hard on, or the porno?" , you could make an argument "what came first, cop killers or gta(or halo)?" people killed before video games, they killed after video games came. If anything is responsible, its the worship/babysitting function that tv now plays. parents leave small children in front of a tv unsupervised every day. I'm willing to tolerate parental advisory labels, for the sake of the children of deadbeats, though it does get ridiculous sometimes.(i remember being carded for a reel big fish cd (not proud, i was young)at best buy when i was like 17 or 18 and getting turned down cause i didnt have id.) The fundamental problem is that we live in a society of scapegoats, where noone assumes responsibility for their own actions. You ate mcdonalds every day for 3 years and gained 200 pounds? their fault. You started smoking after the sg warnings and proof of cancer? their fault. Your child listened to judas priest and killed himself? blame the band. the list goes on. Even I notice i do it ocassionally. There will always be people like that around as long as they have enough naive lazy people going along with them. There's a good article on movie violence by oliver stone, after natural born killers came out, a couple kids killed some people and blamed, guess what, the movie, and john grisham basically called for censorship of movies, and the article was stones response. The best thing was stone wrote " the first amendment protects all speech, even grishams brainless works of fiction." But to summarize the essay, stone basically reiterates my point, that violence will happen regardless of media, art imitates life, and so on.

  • 05.28.2005 11:40 PM PDT
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ha, I got -blam-ed! for writing the word p-rn--gr--hy, but not -blam!-, thats funny.

  • 05.28.2005 11:42 PM PDT
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The only connection this has is that games improve hand-eye coordination and reflexes for shooting. If we use this logic, lets ban chess bcuz it helps ppls logic which could help thme make a bomb or something. Actually lets ban school so people are too dumb to know how to build a bomb or operate a gun.
Stupid stupid ppl.

  • 05.29.2005 4:47 AM PDT
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man i find this realy hard to beilve but it is possible i mean ppl will to crazy things cuz of games

  • 05.29.2005 5:48 AM PDT
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Lets think now. In other countries such as europe or canada do they have access to these video games? Yes. Do they have these problems? No. I think that by blaming the "violent entertainment", they are taking the easy way out of solving a problem that goes much deeper than violent video games. They have to realize that most of the people that commit these crimes have some sort of history of violence in there past,whether it be them getting into fights or that they were abused as children. Most of the ones who dont fall into that category either have phycotic tendancies or are very depressed. Im not saying that violent video games are in no way related to any murders in the world but come on to try and ban violent video games is like saying that all high school shootings are caused by teenagers with eye brows so we should ban eye brows. High school shooting and the like are usually caused by teenagers who obviosly want to act like teenagers,and what do teenagers do? They hang out with their friends, watch TV, listen to music ,and (the imporant one) PLAY VIDEO GAMES! Come on people i know your smarter than that cant you come up with something a little bit better than "violent entertainment".

But thats just my opinion

  • 05.30.2005 5:43 AM PDT
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Thats sad. Halo isn't violent (compared to some games) halo is a story, not a game.

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  • 06.01.2005 12:25 AM PDT
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to jack tomphsohn- a slap across the face and a sniper round in you're neck.
-crapfully yours, mjolnirguy.

  • 06.01.2005 5:20 AM PDT
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Even if a video game was to blame for a shooting it would make more sense to find a SOLUTION rather than point fingers every which way. "congratulations we found the source of violence and video games but sadly, we don't know how to solve it. Should have thought ahead there guys."

And most of the arguments saying video games can teach you to kill aren't well researched. They probably see a few seconds of gameplay and hear about what you can do and just toss random words (God Mode?) in there to sound like they know what they're talking about.

I've played FPS games and light-gun shooters for years, and I have no idea how to even eject a magazine from a weapon. All these arguments blaming video games are really just the same things said over and over again, with little inside research into the actual game itself.

Dear Jack Tompson (or however you spell it),
Don't quit your day job.

NW330 "SPARTAN-330"

  • 06.01.2005 2:14 PM PDT

Teabag makes you good.

That guys a loser!! how could a video game make someone shoot people. The guns in Halo aren't even real! The kid obviously got pissed at people and took it ou on innocent people. mayb he was on crack......anyway you cant blame a video game for wut some stupid teenager did. And my question is why blame halo and GTA?? I mean they just happen to be 2 really really good games at the time, and there TONS of other shooting games and stuff. Why blame just them??

  • 06.01.2005 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Use your head. The one on your shoulders. No really, just try. Please?

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I don't want to read all of the responses- but this is as trivial as the twinkie defence. Not to mention the fact that there is NO sniper rifle that has the weaknesses of that found in Halo 1. I don't think there is a semi-auto 4 round clip rifle available to the public. Yeah, although it is only a small portion of the point, but the difference between bolt action and semi-auto is the difference between reality and fiction.

  • 06.01.2005 7:04 PM PDT
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I sent him an e-mail with a revised version of my post (higher up on this page) attached since i cant copy and paste e-mail and i didnt feel like typing it again and he sent me a return email saying he didnt open attachments from people he didnt know ESPEACIALY from gamers. I was being really polite and nice about every thing and he goes and freakin goes and acts all rude. Although I disagreed i respected his point of view but now i have no respect for him at all. Thompson is a bastard.

  • 06.02.2005 4:24 PM PDT
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that guy is a freakin moron

  • 06.03.2005 12:56 PM PDT
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You know what the scary part is...the killer used to live 2 blocks away from me, and a block away from my high school. I'm talking about the part that was all over the news when the FBI was searching that yard and tree for bullet casings...yea and also, my area is known for serial killers. Ted Bundy, the Green River Killer and the DC Sniper all came out of the Tacoma, WA area...

  • 06.03.2005 8:43 PM PDT
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Frankly, only military games give me a minor urge to fire a gun... but only in the army or navy and not at a cop or anything just at those terrorist b@st@rds.

"Lets pump some lead, in Osama's head" -bush

  • 06.03.2005 11:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartanMC449
there TONS of other shooting games and stuff. Why blame just them??
Because Bungie has a fan group and community and some people get jealous that they are so cool and want to annoy as many people as possible (see the lovely halo2sucks community for an example of this)

  • 06.04.2005 4:55 PM PDT
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yeah,
my friend's got GTA Vice City and mostly you just do missions like killing guys that betray you and stuff.
But by my point of veiw Halo and GTA are NOT a cop killing games and even if they were I don't think anyone would go around killing people like that anyway.

  • 06.04.2005 6:00 PM PDT
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There are some people out there that take some matters too seriously and yes i could see some kid taking a video game seriously its monkey see monkey do.

  • 06.04.2005 7:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Buster Gundam
Thats harsh, I think I read about that. It is possible that you could learn stuff from video games like hand-eye-coordination. But it is very unlikey that Halo, being as it is, is more unlikely to be a canidate cause its so farfetched. GTA is just a game that pits you against everything (i hate that game). Doom 3, come on that game is clearly fiction and is meant to scare the *bleep* outta people. Plus these games are rated M for a reason. If a 15 year old kid got it then someone would've had to buy it for them. So that would make it the parenst/guardians fault. To add onto the halo "sniping" in question, that guy needs to find out more before he starts making radical explaniations and pointing fingers at people. Those kids could'nt learn the basics of sniper rifle managment from those said games.

Wait im 15 and they let me get M rated games...

  • 06.05.2005 11:57 PM PDT
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also, compare the numbers of people who play t or m rated games with the number of adolescents who commit violent crimes. i also remember being taught about the causes of school shootings and things like that. i only remember, bullying, -blam!- harassment, depression and things like that. i never remember hearing video games

  • 06.06.2005 2:26 AM PDT

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