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Camera 3 I blame the Canimators...

Camera 2 Great, so now we get took look at a grunt's face and some smelly candle. I'm starting to think these guys are slightly more metero-blam!- than I first believed.. Or maybe it's just girly.

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  • 07.01.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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wow. that camera image just changed my life

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[color=red]Ca[/color][color=white]na[/color][color=red]da[/co lor] rules man!

Happy Canada day everyone!

  • 07.01.2004 10:27 AM PDT
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I think I forgot the Pledge of Alligence.... So don't feel so bad.

  • 07.01.2004 10:37 AM PDT
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In America, while we're in grade school we have to learn this thing when we 'salute' the flag and pledge it every day.. just some really annoying nationalist propaganda machine.

  • 07.01.2004 10:41 AM PDT
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Yeah, I think I pretty much 'actively ignored' it after the third grade.

  • 07.01.2004 10:45 AM PDT
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We used to say the pledge in grade school but in fourth or fifth grade we just stopped for no reason.

  • 07.01.2004 10:47 AM PDT
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I am neutral, I have never said a pledge to any countries flag.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
In America, while we're in grade school we have to learn this thing when we 'salute' the flag and pledge it every day...


Actually, you don't have to pledge or say anything, all you have to do by law is stand. And the only people who actually salute the flag are those who have been in the service.

  • 07.01.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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Our pledge goes like this: (for you canadian folks)

I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation, under God, indevisible,
for liberty and justice for all.


we usually just stand up and put our hand over our hearts

  • 07.01.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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How old are you?

When I WAS in grade school (ohhh roughtly 15 years ago) we had no choice in the matter. In fact, I don't think that law was instated until I was in 7th or 8th grade.

  • 07.01.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Abolitionofman
How old are you?


Old enough.

When I WAS in grade school (ohhh roughtly 15 years ago) we had no choice in the matter. In fact, I don't think that law was instated until I was in 7th or 8th grade.

Your memory must have been hit pretty badly, because you must've been going to grade school back in the early 40's.

  • 07.01.2004 1:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajenteks
Your memory must have been hit pretty badly, because you must've been going to grade school back in the early 40's.

Excellent research!
I was just going to make a comment about that law being passed, but you went and got a link.

I never once in my Life Saluted the flag, thanks to the supreme court up holding the freedom of religion as show in that link.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Your memory must have been hit pretty badly, because you must've been going to grade school back in the early 40's.


Maybe there is something he isn't telling us.

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Good research, but you're missing that point completely just so you can be right (which I've noticed you like to be a lot). Just because it may not be constitutional, does not mean it does not happen on a smaller scale. The irony in this is that I never said it was LEGAL or that it was right or wrong, just that I was MADE to.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
Good research, but you're missing that point completely just so you can be right (which I've noticed you like to be a lot). Just because it may not be constitutional, does not mean it does not happen on a smaller scale. The irony in this is that I never said it was LEGAL or that it was right or wrong, just that I was MADE to.


You were not made to... I was told to do it many times throughout my childhood, I even had a teacher get mad at me during my High School Commencement ceremony.. The difference is I stood up for what I believed.
You cannot be "made" to do something like this in a "free" country, then again you could be living in the south....

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I live in California, and when you're in grade school (We didn't even do it after 5th grade) I was made to do it. For one, when you're in third grade you don't know whether you have the choice or not, and you definately don't have the right of my to disobey authority that much. Not to mention, being in highschool and understanding the conceptuals and being seven, and only just beginning to be able to grasp them, is entirely different. But, yes I was... There were times where we had teachers threaten, even the principal did it once, if we didn't say it.

Oh, and of course you can be made to do anything in a "free" country. They do many things through punishment. You can't murder someone, you can't swear in most classrooms (at least while I was in highschool you were usually sent out of the room). So yes, you can be not to do or not do something. Hell, the government even makes you pay your taxes!



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ummm

also from california,

never once did it.... even in kindergarten....

What part of Cali? I went to elementary school in Huntington Beach, and Laguna Hills (orange county)

oh, and how old are you? I am 26. it has been a little while since elementary.

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Posted by: Abolitionofman
The irony in this is that I never said it was LEGAL or that it was right or wrong, just that I was MADE to.



Nice try. You're the one who brought up the legalities of the issue in the first place:

When I WAS in grade school (ohhh roughtly 15 years ago) we had no choice in the matter. In fact, I don't think that law was instated until I was in 7th or 8th grade.

You can say that you were made to, be it by peer pressure, cruel and inhumane teachers, or whatever, but in the end you can only blame your ignorance at the time in the matter. And if I were you, I'd really be kicking myself because if I would have been made to say the pledge when I didn't want to, I would have filed a lawsuit and won.

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You can say that you were made to, be it by peer pressure, cruel and inhumane teachers, or whatever, but in the end you can only blame your ignorance at the time in the matter. And if I were you, I'd really be kicking myself because if I would have been made to say the pledge when I didn't want to, I would have filed a lawsuit and won.


At seven years old? Give me a break.

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Posted by: klurejr
ummm

also from california,

never once did it.... even in kindergarten....

What part of Cali? I went to elementary school in Huntington Beach, and Laguna Hills (orange county)

oh, and how old are you? I am 26. it has been a little while since elementary.


Early twenties. And Nor Cal, SF Bay Area.. but the area I live in is really conservative.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Posted by: Abolitionofman
In America, while we're in grade school we have to learn this thing when we 'salute' the flag and pledge it every day...


Actually, you don't have to pledge or say anything, all you have to do by law is stand. And the only people who actually salute the flag are those who have been in the service.

for the people in service they have to be wearing there uniforms to salute.

  • 07.01.2004 4:04 PM PDT