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Subject: "HUMANS ARE FORERUNNER" THEORY SHOT DOWN!!!!!!!!!

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Posted by: PREDAT0R


[color=lime]I'm not forrunner am I? wether they built it from the ground up or tunneled out a planet does not change the theory that humans are forrunner so really...who cares???[/color]


It would if it shed some light on why the passageways are so massive. Ere go, we could go back and forth about it forever, hopefully we'll just find out in about 4 months.

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Posted by: Nelo Angelo
Posted by: PREDAT0R


[color=lime]I'm not forrunner am I? wether they built it from the ground up or tunneled out a planet does not change the theory that humans are forrunner so really...who cares???[/color]


It would if it shed some light on why the passageways are so massive. Ere go, we could go back and forth about it forever, hopefully we'll just find out in about 4 months.


Yeah, but debating about it gives us something to do in the time being : ).

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Nelo Angelo, you're thinking to pragmatically. It's not a question of "why do they need areas so big". It's a question of style, artistry.

Why did we build the CN tower to be as it is, or the Eiffel Tower? Why do we build anything the way we do?

Simple. It's impressive. It's awe inspiring. It shows the majesty of your works.

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Maybe it was cheaper to make one big tunnel than a whole bunch of little tunnels. Maybe the Forerunners are as cheap as we are, maybe their markets were crashing at the time. Maybe the Forerunners used them as traffic ways. What does it matter, again?

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Posted by: Draerden
Predator: With "Weighted Judgements" I was referring to his delusional state. If 343 is capable of confusing Master Chief with the last person he was talking with 100,000 years ago or more then what else is he capable of confusing.

Perhaps you object to the term "insane" but he is definitely unbalanced in some way making his words somewhat circumspect. What he says may be true, then again it might not. That's the problem when dealing with delusional people.


[color=lime] Dude, the reason why 343 thinks we are forrunner IS BECAUSE WE ARE. Thats the point of this entire thread dummy. So, if we are from forrunner then he is makign complete sense right? He also appears to be making complete sense all throughout the rest of the game/books. His thinking follows his direct protocols, the same ones he was programmed to follow [/color]

[Edited on 7/1/2004 4:40:07 PM]

  • 07.01.2004 4:38 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Posted by: Draerden
Nelo Angelo, you're thinking to pragmatically. It's not a question of "why do they need areas so big". It's a question of style, artistry.

Why did we build the CN tower to be as it is, or the Eiffel Tower? Why do we build anything the way we do?

Simple. It's impressive. It's awe inspiring. It shows the majesty of your works.


Who would you show off your artistry to with a device that fries the galaxy.


P.S. That was a great reason, I'm just debating because it's fun (kinda like multiplayer as opposed to campaign).

[Edited on 7/1/2004 4:43:13 PM]

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Uhm, "Dummy", I do think that the Humans are the Forerunner. My position merely is that more evidence beyond what you have drawn from 343 should be used for the basis of any hypothesis.

Feel free to examine my theory earlier on in this thread. It features the idea that the Forerunner are human as its core and has several unique points on just what the connection between the Forerunner, the Flood and the Covenant is.

Edit: You should include Fred and Kelly's starting up the Wraith tanks, John's activation of the Light Bridge and the general familiarity that strikes all the main characters when confronted with Forerunner symbology. It's like a inherited memory.

[Edited on 7/1/2004 4:44:25 PM]

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Lol All hell is breaking loose on November 9, the terrorists have their work cut out for them

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I have another question about the structures. Why do the hallways connecting every room on Halo seem to be airlock chambers? Is that also for design "artistry"?

Sorry, this is a bit off topic....

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Posted by: Nelo Angelo
Who would you show off your artistry to with a device that fries the galaxy.
P.S. That was a great reason, I'm just debating because it's fun (kinda like multiplayer as opposed to campaign).

No, that's quite all right. I personally believe the exact opposite. It's the perfect time for artistry. For the same reason we decorate our bombs and erect monuments to our own prowess. If you look back on history and artifacts the most beautiful and bejeweled treasures are swords and weapons.

We have to remember, even *if* the Forerunner were human, they had a society very different from our current one. It's as alien as some of the cultures in the Middle East or Darkest Africa. For example, it would take years for any of us to understand even the rudiments of Islamic Culture.

Forerunner may be human but they are still alien.

  • 07.01.2004 4:48 PM PDT
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In the level "The Library" if you shoot 343 Guilty Spark he will say "Please stop being human" Now, why would he say that if he thought you were Forerunner? HAH!!

  • 06.30.2004 11:23 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

I suppose that's very plausible. Hell, if I were going to murder the galaxy, I sure would want to be stylish about it!

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[color=lime]ok so your theory, I like it however earth would have also been effected during the first blast. Thats why cortana and MC wanted to stop 343 from engaging the second blast. If the blasts did not hit earth then we could have just gotten off the planet rather do all that crap we did in Halo 1[/color]

[Edited on 7/1/2004 4:53:40 PM]

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Posted by: PREDAT0R
[color=green]Posted by: Sornos
Posted by: Sornos
Forerunner could not be human because we know Halo was fired before,[/color][color=lime] so knowing the fact that we humans are here means that Halo was fired before sentient life evolved on Earth.[/color] [color=green]So meaning that Halo was fired before we evolved so if we have not evolved yet so how can something be built by a race that has not evolved yet!

I'm telling you read my theory! It disproves the Human=Forerunner . BTW Draeden your idea's pretty good.

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The part in lime makes no sense at all. Halo could have fired eliminating all of our previous history. It fired a little over 100,000 years from the current time frame in Halo universe. It says so in the book. In the REAL world, the world Halo universe it built around, we have artifacts and clues that date back human history about that far. Hmm...coincidence??? Maybe to a closed mind! Wouldn't that explain how humans MAGICALLY appeared on earth, besides the idea of God putting us here??? The only other idea is that we evolved, but I think that is a factor we can count out. ESPECIALLY sincewhen Halo fires it destoryes ALL SENTIENT LIFE including earth, because the Halo's exist within the same galaxy, and thus the base reason why we didn't want Halo fired in the first place. (Halo1 plot) [/color]

BTW 100, 000 there were no humans. For reference 10, 000 years ago was the last ice age, and modern humans were just starting to emerge. So my theory is still intact.

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Different Cultures my friend. I miss the days when quality artisans worked upon great things. Look upon the buildings of the ancient world and marvel.

We have become too pragmatic in this age. Our art is too confined, too specialized into music and movies. The very fact that the designers and artists of Bungie understand this and have incorporated it into their game is most impressive.

Kudos on Bungie.

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If the Halo rings were fired 100,000 years ago, why did the Forerunner supposedly wait 90,000 some years before conlonizing Earth? That just doesn't make sense.

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Posted by: Sornos
BTW 100, 000 there were no humans. For reference 10, 000 years ago was the last ice age, and modern humans were just starting to emerge. So my theory is still intact.


The earliest records of civilization dated back about that far. Humans have been found that As for how long ago the Halo was last fired I have no clue. Perhaps the Forerunner/Humans were in a version of Cryo for all we know.

The earliest human burial was 35,000 years ago and we've found human footprints locked in Volcanic ash that date back to about 350,000 years ago -- Human, not neanderthal.

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[color=lime]ok, here is a fact:

Halo's fired over 100,000 years ago. The entire milky way galaxy was effected. All life outside Halo's were destroyed.[/color]

  • 07.01.2004 5:02 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Posted by: Draerden
Different Cultures my friend. I miss the days when quality artisans worked upon great things. Look upon the buildings of the ancient world and marvel.

We have become too pragmatic in this age. Our art is too confined, too specialized into music and movies. The very fact that the designers and artists of Bungie understand this and have incorporated it into their game is most impressive.

Kudos on Bungie.


Amen.

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I cite my facts when I draw them out from official Halo sources to contradict someone. Note to be rude but where is yours?

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Posted by: Draerden
Posted by: Sornos
BTW 100, 000 there were no humans. For reference 10, 000 years ago was the last ice age, and modern humans were just starting to emerge. So my theory is still intact.


The earliest records of civilization dated back about that far. Humans have been found that As for how long ago the Halo was last fired I have no clue. Perhaps the Forerunner/Humans were in a version of Cryo for all we know.

The earliest human burial was 35,000 years ago and we've found human footprints locked in Volcanic ash that date back to about 350,000 years ago -- Human, not neanderthal.

Three hundred fifty freakin thousand years ago!!! I stand corrected. BTW neaderthals are human, they are -blam!- sapiens neathderal while we are -blam!- sapiens sapiens . If humans existed 350,000 years ago, why are we still here? Why didn't Halo wipe us as a species out 100,000 years ago?

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According to Bungie's description of the MP level Waterworks it's based on the Forerunner installation hidden underground on Earth.

That was in the big release on all the levels that was in the news section a few weeks ago.

Edit: In case you're wondering why I brought that up, there's no telling how that messes with the timeline. Forerunner/Humanity may have been shielded by the installation while the neanderthals were wiped out. They then emerged...

The mere existence of that facility throws everything out of whack, especially if it possess one of those time/space warping crystals.

[Edited on 7/1/2004 5:25:20 PM]

  • 07.01.2004 5:21 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Who says the Forerunners have to be one species, perhaps they are more like the covenant, and at one time contained all species within their collective including humans. What if after the original Halo blast, the species were separated and splintered apart like the factions in Iraq. The Covenant make up one part of this now forgotten race, and are charging to get back to the homeworld, which just happens to be earth. Sure this would need a hell of a lot more detail to be a sufficient explanation of things, but the main idea here is the heterogenious makeup of the forerunners.

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WTF, evolution built us. Not some stranded humans. is what MTHunter777

God created us and if evolution did then where did the first ctreature come from the "big bang" theory a.k.a. crap

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Posted by: MTHunter777
WTF, evolution built us. Not some stranded humans.


if so where did the first lifeform come from the "big bang theory"?

God created us

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