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Subject: The only "omg I gut EXP banned for NO RAISON" thread
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So I don't get this whole ban thing myself. Bungie, why don't you create an entire FAQ about this so that people can go into that section and learn what they can/can’t do. Another thing you may want to do is place a notice with a new update on Live for people to agree to your terms of use before they play. It sucks for people who don't have a computer and play on Live, those who don't know about B.net, etc. When you read the Halo 3 instructions, there is no mention of any of this (which is obvious since boosting and cheating wasn’t anticipated). Much like the dmv, people know the rules before they can break them. Granted that isn't the way with everything in life, but this is a game and you guys seem to care about the community enough to ban people in order TO make the game enjoyable for everyone, so I am sure doing something like this is logical and should be a priority. I personally hate people who cheat and think that they should be restricted from screwing up everything for everyone else, but there are people that make honest mistakes or did not know that what they did was cheating.


Would anyone care to inform me on what is classified as cheating? I understand people say boosting, but what does that really mean? Instead of giving examples of boosting via link, can someone (whether Bungie or some other poster) create a detailed explanation for me and everyone else? I know it has been said that if you don’t intentionally cheat you wont need to worry, but I can imagine wrongful bans have happened because of various reasons that were not known or defined as cheating beforehand.

Much appreciated.

  • 10.07.2008 5:02 PM PDT
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ye, basically what happened is. there was a storm that kept causing rolling blackouts. i was playing rumble pit. knocked power out. came back started another match. power went out again. that's when i just quit playing. came back on the next day. and i was apparently exp banned. so.. do i stay banned over that. or what not as if i was capable of helping it. i don't see how i could be boosting myself in rumble pit. and i don't need to boost or derank myself anyway.

  • 10.07.2008 5:12 PM PDT

Posted by: l EnsiferuM l
ye, basically what happened is. there was a storm that kept causing rolling blackouts. i was playing rumble pit. knocked power out. came back started another match. power went out again. that's when i just quit playing. came back on the next day. and i was apparently exp banned. so.. do i stay banned over that. or what not as if i was capable of helping it. i don't see how i could be boosting myself in rumble pit. and i don't need to boost or derank myself anyway.
That's a pretty awesome power storm.

  • 10.07.2008 5:22 PM PDT

So, if you get banned...you get raisins?

  • 10.07.2008 5:35 PM PDT
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Ok i don't want sound like a nagging player but i just got home from my drum lesson and i turned on my console and this message pops up it says something like; this console has been banned and i wont be able to earn XP (roughly put). I know all about the boosting and other stuff in that nature, and I am sure i did not boost. Nay I know i did not boost. So i was wondering maybe why i got banned and how long i am banned for.

Thanks, (gamertag) McQuag

  • 10.07.2008 6:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
I have no ide what you posedt. Quiet frnkly I am to drunk to eeven be posing mysefl.
I m shure it was good thogh.

Posted by: McQuag
Ok i don't want sound like a nagging player but i just got home from my drum lesson and i turned on my console and this message pops up it says something like; this console has been banned and i wont be able to earn XP (roughly put). I know all about the boosting and other stuff in that nature, and I am sure i did not boost. Nay I know i did not boost. So i was wondering maybe why i got banned and how long i am banned for.

Thanks, (gamertag) McQuag


McQuag-

There's a few games in your recent list that are considered boosting-
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=775825 975&player=McQuag
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=775799 487&player=McQuag

It looks like you and your buddy, "manofchange" signed in guest accounts that were AFK during the games. Depending on the severity, your first boosting violation is worth a 2 week EXP suspension; just don't do this anymore and you will be fine.

-kweeb

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  • 10.07.2008 6:25 PM PDT
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of course you choose not to believe me, just shows how accurate your banhammer really is. thought you said it can tell between disconnection and boosting?

  • 10.07.2008 6:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
I have no ide what you posedt. Quiet frnkly I am to drunk to eeven be posing mysefl.
I m shure it was good thogh.

Posted by: l EnsiferuM l
of course you choose not to believe me, just shows how accurate your banhammer really is. thought you said it can tell between disconnection and boosting?


Ensiferum-

You were not wrongly banned; take a quick look at these two games I found-

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=759636 745&player=l%20EnsiferuM%20l
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=759624 818&player=l%20EnsiferuM%20l

That's definitely considered boosting; the banhammer was accurate.

-kweeb

  • 10.07.2008 6:35 PM PDT
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oh. and that match. i was already banned. plus it was legit. no one really tried to get the ball.

  • 10.07.2008 6:36 PM PDT

It is pretty frustrating that someone else can get u banned. But I don't have to worry about that. Also Shishka I wanted to know what is blacklisted? I was playing DLC on Avalanch and a bunch of people from the clan KSI were talking about how they got blacklisted.

  • 10.07.2008 6:38 PM PDT

I just got banned for getting the 7 on 7 achievment with my friends and i got banned it does suck but i was tecnically boosting so ill take the consequence and i must applaud bungie for catching it in only 8 games WOW you they are good I had never heard of this ban until now so i have 2 weeks of this sentence

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my bad i never knew that was boosting. was bored one day with couple friends decided to get medals for the hell of it.

  • 10.07.2008 6:41 PM PDT
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People shouldn't complain. I got banned for achievement boosting and I will admit to it fully. I see that I shouldn't have done but why lie about it?

  • 10.07.2008 7:31 PM PDT
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obviously you guys have no answer to what im saying so thank you bungie employees for your great help.

[Edited on 10.07.2008 9:18 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2008 9:17 PM PDT

hi, i dont know what has happened to my account i noticed today on the 7th i won 2 games but didnt go above my 5exp on dlc big battles. i was trying to aim for 7-7. after talking to people online they believed i may be ona exp ban? i have not received notification of this however, i dont play halo3 much, but recently got back into it. is it true you can get banned for not having that fast a broadband or wireless broadband?

bungie can you confirm if im on a ban, problem with experience or something else? and if a ban, what for? i have never boosted or done the standby thingy?

  • 10.07.2008 10:00 PM PDT

I got banned. Fair and square. Don't care. However I do care about bungies whining about the community cheating.

Cheating is a vague term. Precise it. Certainly. But considering the magic land of online gameplay is not USA, UK, Canada, or Martian territory it can therefore not be ruled by that said government.

Doing something not by glitch, or modified content can only in the most stubborn minds be constituted as cheating. If a playlist allows guests for a game and "said" person is smart enough to get a few fake guest accounts online (because he spent money on XBOX LIVE and 1-3 additional controllers for the XBOX system which he is owner and also funder for) then they should by all means be able to play the game without worrying about some bungie police showing up with a tazer that stuns you for some time period.

What is next? Officially making it illegal to camp a spot in a map? Its in the game, its not a programming error. Its not a perfect arguement but in most minds that would be considered legit.

Also this banning means punishment for those potential players that have no hands. Are paralyzed. Blind. and So forth. Playing doesn't mean contributing or anything. Being a part of a game doesn't mean they have to get any points. Nor does the lack of points mean they aren't enjoying the game.
Personally when I was a small child I don't care if i was good or bad at a certain game, if i was included and lost horribly i was happy to be included. So what is to say these accounts are not just people trying to be included?

The problem with your auto cheat detecting is that it is making an assumption. Assumptions lead to problems. Abuse of power and eventually you think you get to make all the rules cuz your better then the rest. Nay. Not the way the world works.

I know no attention will come to my post but I will still suggest this. Bungie. Get off your high horse. Stop whining about how people are being innovative,creative, and not playing the game how you intended them to. Its not your game. They bought it. Noone gets to tell me how to sit on my furniture. Its my furniture my style of sitting.

Kudos on the game though. Keep up the good work on that end at least. Just back down the "well i'm taller than you so you listen to what i say bull-blam!-"

  • 10.07.2008 11:01 PM PDT

No you get off your high horse. You have no right to force me to play against 7 immobile players.

Oh, and don't make the assumption Bungie is just a bunch of kids checking people's game histories or high-school programmers wasting their time with greasemonkey. They made this game. They have access to far more information that you can imagine, enough to certainly tell when a player is boosting. And trying to evade the detection takes more effort that playing legitly.

  • 10.08.2008 2:07 AM PDT
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I've got a really bad idea.

Posted by: Alpha A02
Stop whining about how people are being innovative,creative, and not playing the game how you intended them to. Its not your game.
*Buzz* Wrong.

They bought it. Noone gets to tell me how to sit on my furniture. Its my furniture my style of sitting.You have unusual notions about what you're allowed to do with your "property." You purchased a licensed copy - you don't own anything about Halo 3 save perhaps an appreciation for it and the physical media. Having accepted a legally sound EULA and/or TOS (or several), you pretty much give up all rights to claim that you can do whatever you want.

And just so we're perfectly clear on consumer rights here, none of the things like "free speech," "freedom of expression," or "the right to assemble [and do bloody nothing in MatchMaking]" exist on Live (or these forums), so I hereby preemptively strike down your anti-The Man rebuttal.

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  • 10.08.2008 3:13 AM PDT
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I dont see why i would be boosting, we went into that playlist hoping to find oddball and we didnt so i left my xbox on and went to eat. The second game i did the same thing. There would be no point for me to be boosting. Also i never did that sort of thing before this, and strangely when they come out with a new playlist I get banned. But i will not fight it, if this is your true belief then I must go along.

  • 10.08.2008 4:51 AM PDT

10 years with Bungie.
3 years with 343 Industries.

It's time for that all to change, and to take 343 to the top.
Bungie, it's been one hell of a good run with you guys. It's just time to move on. We'll be together again soon.

That's a pretty awesome power storm.

Thats a pretty awesome reply. imo.

  • 10.08.2008 4:53 AM PDT

say what u wont but i pay alot of money to play halo and get the achievements.I dont cheat to get my achievements! I think the ban is bull when it comes to social matchs.If you and your friends wont to play rumble pit in stad of big team lag you should be able to let who every you wont win after all its just social not ranked. if they wont to go after people that cheat go after all the 50 that didnt earn them!!!!!!!!

  • 10.08.2008 5:06 AM PDT
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I've got a really bad idea.

Posted by: Cheekycoyote
say what u wont but i pay alot of money to play halo and get the achievements.I dont cheat to get my achievements! I think the ban is bull when it comes to social matchs.If you and your friends wont to play rumble pit in stad of big team lag you should be able to let who every you wont win after all its just social not ranked. if they wont to go after people that cheat go after all the 50 that didnt earn them!!!!!!!!
I "wont," I "wont," I "wont." Didn't you people grow up in houses with rules that weren't circumventable because you wanted something? Grown bloody brats out in the open without supervision...

  • 10.08.2008 5:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
I have no ide what you posedt. Quiet frnkly I am to drunk to eeven be posing mysefl.
I m shure it was good thogh.

Posted by: Cheekycoyote
say what u wont but i pay alot of money to play halo and get the achievements.I dont cheat to get my achievements! I think the ban is bull when it comes to social matchs.If you and your friends wont to play rumble pit in stad of big team lag you should be able to let who every you wont win after all its just social not ranked. if they wont to go after people that cheat go after all the 50 that didnt earn them!!!!!!!!


Cheeky-

This isn't cheating to get the "7 on 7" achievement?

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=775639 239&player=Cheekycoyote
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=775668 979&player=Cheekycoyote
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=775596 341&player=Cheekycoyote

That's considered boosting. You signed in guest accounts for free kills. You weren't playing with "friends," the guests weren't even moving during the games.

  • 10.08.2008 6:06 AM PDT
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Will i get banned for being a Werewolf

  • 10.08.2008 6:10 AM PDT

for one thing they wore not my guest and it was a socail match and anouther thing is bungie cares way now they did not care when every one was getting there 50! I pay for high speed internet to play halo3 if they should worry about anything it should be about the lag people have like on my file share where some one get shot 4x in the head with snipe and lives or people walking thow walls how about fixing that. I dont have the problem of getting ban i was in the wrong i just think they should fix the other problems first. O by the way i had the 7 on 7 be for those matches and i did not cheat to get it thank u very much

[Edited on 10.08.2008 9:04 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2008 8:35 AM PDT