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I have the skill to use a pistol and kill people in 2-6 shots. Everyone I know who plays can do it in 2-3! Very annoying. I have to admit Bungie was rushed for Halo's release date...so not everything is balanced! The game and multiplayer should be the same! MC's armor is the same as an Elite's, just not utilized to it's fullest yet! I gotta go with my trusty shotgun and assult riffle....

  • 07.04.2004 10:18 AM PDT
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I dont understand what you guys mean about unbalanced. I mean, it takes one shot, ONE, to kill someone with the shotgun at pointblank. ONE shot to kill someone with the rocket launcher. 3 shots to kill someone with the fuel rod. About 3 seconds at pointblank range with the flamethrower. 2 Shots with the sniper rifle. About 30 shots with the assualt rifle if you land all of them. Only about 17 with the plasma rifle. Cant count with the plasma rifle. Like 13 shots with the needler .And you complaining about the 5 shot pistol?

  • 07.04.2004 10:20 AM PDT
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if you compare normal difficulty mode to multiplayer halo it is the same! Heroic and Legendary were made more difficult which is why it is harder to kill Elites!

  • 07.04.2004 10:21 AM PDT
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Iv been waiting for 4 years for it to come out...its close enough to 5!

  • 07.04.2004 10:21 AM PDT
Subject: Skill
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THAN STOP CONPLAINING IF YOUR SO GOOD WITH THE PISTOL!
wich your probably lieing becasue you were jsut omlianing about it.

  • 07.04.2004 10:22 AM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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An expert on this field has arrived. Okay here goes.

Elites in general do not run off the same shielding system as the Spartans. They run off a Covenant system that relies on massive coverage, but slow recharge. Spartans on the other hand run off of weaker coverage, but faster recharge. That is the firts thing.

The next thing is the difference in weapons on Campaign Mode and on Multiplayer Mode. The M6D, as an example, was one of the weapons Bungie actually made stronger inside Multiplayer. They did that for balance issues. Normally on Legendary mode it takes a total of 8 bullets from the M6D to kill the Chief, no matter where they hit. While a Gold Elite takes some 23-27 M6D bullets to kill pending on where you hit it. Besides the Covenant were always meanto to be stronger than us, it is what makes Halo (and all UNSC vs Covenant Battles) such a desperate fight.

I hope that clears some things up. And I do use plasma weapons whenever I am bored, and in Multiplayer the MA5B and SRS99C S2 AM are my primary weapons. That is what pisses people off is by dying to the good 'ol MA5B.

Lastly, don't count on the pistol being replaced. Bungie's comment in an interview at E3 this year had this.

" So can we expect the truty pistol from Halo 1 to make a return? " - interviewer

" No comment. " and said with a smile by a Bungie employee.

Besides I can hear you now complaining about the Battle Rifle when you get owned with it, so be content with what you got.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 10:23:03 AM]

  • 07.04.2004 10:22 AM PDT
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actually they were working on Halo for 4 years! -Endnote

their game was originally meant for the Dreamcast, and was going to be more of a strategy game. They had a short time to make it better (FPS and an Xbox game) and they probably had to convert the game so it worked on the xbox (and use xbox's capabilities to further more enhance halo) so they still didn't have that much time. If the game started as an fps, maybe they could have balanced better.



  • 07.04.2004 10:24 AM PDT
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It was originally meant for MAC, not Dreamcast. Get the history straight.


Posted by: Lifeforce
actually they were working on Halo for 4 years! -Endnote

their game was originally meant for the Dreamcast, and was going to be more of a strategy game. They had a short time to make it better (FPS and an Xbox game) and they probably had to convert the game so it worked on the xbox (and use xbox's capabilities to further more enhance halo) so they still didn't have that much time. If the game started as an fps, maybe they could have balanced better.



  • 07.04.2004 10:25 AM PDT
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Still, pistol owns, and if you cant handle it, well then to bad.

  • 07.04.2004 10:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ender 119
Still, pistol owns, and if you cant handle it, well then to bad.


Amen, and oh yeah nice number Ender 119.

  • 07.04.2004 10:29 AM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!

Xbox Live Gamertag: Opey Master

Posted by: link 1264
And yeah, Opey could probably win that game without using his BR. Best SMG user in Halo.


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dude, the pistol rocks! just because you think it's cheap is probably because you suck with it. I remember when I was a noob, and I thought the shotgun was the best! Then my friends would always take me out with the pistol and I was all, What the -blam!-! how did you do that?!

I also agree with you elmicker, the needler is the mother of all weapons. And, Bungie says it's recieving a power upgrade in Halo 2. And duel-wielding it? Ahhhhhhh (drooling)

  • 07.04.2004 10:29 AM PDT
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Thank you Hikaru 119! That helped a lot! I guess I'm just sick of people ONLY using the pistol and them -blam!-ing at me if I use/create a game with anything else. You are a true scholar!

  • 07.04.2004 10:32 AM PDT
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Lol. What a coincidence. Where did you get the idea for 119?

  • 07.04.2004 10:33 AM PDT
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Typo Ender. Probably a brain glitch!
I do want to point out that I play 16 person Slayer matches like every other day! I don't get it... I don't know where you guys are pulling this -blam!- out were I'm a Noob. Odds are I know about 4-6 people that could school you in Halo! If I don't enjoy using the pistol thats my opinion. I didn't call you guys names. List your -blam!- opinion without insulting anyone!
I am excited about the battle rifle and can't wait to use it!

  • 07.04.2004 10:40 AM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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Posted by: Xolleran
Thank you Hikaru 119! That helped a lot! I guess I'm just sick of people ONLY using the pistol and them -blam!-ing at me if I use/create a game with anything else. You are a true scholar!


=^.^=

Thanks. Scholar, nah. Just a fan that knows too damn much.

[b]Posted by:/[b] Ender 119
Lol. What a coincidence. Where did you get the idea for 119?


Yes, a big coincidence indeed...as to the origins of my full name, I can not say. As for the little -119 added on the end.....A friend just mixed my CENSORED with a touch of Halo, and -119 became a part of my CENSORED.

  • 07.04.2004 10:42 AM PDT
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Xolleran, I think it is hard to believe that you know 4-6 people that could beat someone with a good pistol shot. Unless your friends use pistols too because it's most likely hard to beat someone with a pistol other than if you have a sniper.

  • 07.04.2004 10:51 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

no if you aim for the head it takes about 3-4 shots to drop someone

  • 07.04.2004 10:54 AM PDT
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You guys seem to think the only way to balance is making it less powerful but it's not. All they have to do is increase the power (think 4-5 body shots 3 headshots) but have it have slower rate of fire, less ammo (think eight not twelve) and no scope. Play Marathon it has a sweet 44.cal magnum pistol that smacks of the pistol descriped in First Strike so expect a better thought out pistol in Halo 2 not to take it out completly. There are powerful handguns out there like the colt magnum can accuratly hit targets 150 yards away and has enough punch to go through body armor but it has less ammo and kicks alot preventing firing off rounds fast. That was the biggest problem with the M6D pistol was it had unbelievable rate of fire and you could fire off 12 rounds really fast and still be accurate. Read First Strike and use your imagination a magnum Pistol in Halo 2 would be freaking sweet!

  • 07.04.2004 11:41 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

how about increased power,an 8 round clip,bigger recoil for a slower ROF,no scope and inaccurate at long range.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 11:48:30 AM]

  • 07.04.2004 11:47 AM PDT
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It wouldn't have to have accuracy at range problem cause if I can hit a target without a scope at long range then power to me. But otherwise that's what I want for the Halo 2 magnum pistol!

  • 07.04.2004 11:51 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

well maybe other people rely on the scope and its accuracy too much,so lets screw it up for them

  • 07.04.2004 11:53 AM PDT
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Better idea than changing the M6D or eliminating it. Keep it as is. The Battle Rifle now can counter is, as well as the Covenant Carbine. Making more weapons and balancing out the field a little bit. Also bring in that magnum from First Strike......The more guns, new and old, the better.

  • 07.04.2004 11:55 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

note the "little bit". people are still gonna be -blam!-es and use it all the time. its more powerful that the BR and Carbine,so the person with the pistol will probably still win.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 11:57:03 AM]

  • 07.04.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
note the "little bit". people are still gonna be -blam!-es and use it all the time


So? Let them. If they want to use the gun, then they can. It is a tool in the game to be used and with these new weapons to balance it out, there will no longer be just "pistol -blam!-es" or "sniper rifle whores". There will be " Battle Rifle Bastards" and " Carbine -blam!-"

No matter what, people are going to complain about the weapon set up somehow. The only way to avoid all of that is to not make Halo 2.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 11:59:05 AM]

  • 07.04.2004 11:58 AM PDT
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Why have two pistols? If you kept the M6D then imagine the imbalance with dual wielding you could fire 24 rounds of high explosive death at amazing RoF (rate of fire) and still be accurate. However two magnum pistols would have much slower RoF and have less ammo but would give dual wielding a different flavor (other than having two spray fire guns at once like the PR the SMG and the Needler). Good point on the weapon complaining though it's all so true.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 12:02:10 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 12:01 PM PDT