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Posted by: Nedus
i know that Legendary is supposed to be hard. its not that tough to see. im just saying that they should tone down the pistols power a little bit. and it should be harder to kill a Spartan than an Elite because in the books,the MJOLNIR shields are stronger than the Elite shields.


Actually no they are not. In the Fall od Reach the Elites took a total of four sniper rounds before they died. In The Flood they took 50 just to kill (at least Dietz made mention of 50 while the Chief was fighitng Elites in the mess hall). And First Strike.....First Strike never gave any numbers really, but if you read fast you get the impression of a few bullets, while actually a bunch were fired.

Spartans shields just regenerate faster than Elites. Covenant are stronger, but we regen faster.

Just needed to clear that up.




im not a n00b,but im not the best at Halo either. i dont use the pistol that much,but i do sometimes. i dont use it exclusively. i use the AR and plasma rifle mostly,or the AR and shotgun.the pistol doesnt bother me now in Halo 1,because i have it on Xbox and its not online and i dont have XBC so i dont have to worry about people using it online. im sure Bungie has heard the complaints about the pistol and are probably doing something about it(Battle Rifle,Covie Carbine),but if they do put the pistol in Halo 2,i wanna see the Magnum pistol,with more power,but no scope,slower ROF,and less accurate at long range


Good weapon picks for primaries. And I think all weapons should return, for more reasons than I have time to explain.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 2:09:19 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 2:08 PM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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spartans shelds are as strong as purples elites for onr snipper hit can go kill the shelds but not them but the bule get killed no matter where there shot

[Edited on 7/4/2004 2:11:03 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 2:10 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

plasma weapons kick ass. they cut through shields quick

  • 07.04.2004 2:14 PM PDT
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Here is some clarfication on how much it takes to kill things, once again. Now the list I not complete, but it is as close as it is getting right now. (Still working on the project)

This is how much it takes to kill the Chief on Legendary mode as compared to a Blue Elite.

Any Blue Elite

MA5B: 50
M6D: 10 - 13
S2 AM: 1 - 2
M90: 1 - 8
M19 SSM: 1
Plasma Pistol: 12
Plasma Rifle: 14
Needler: / 2
Charged Plasma Pistol: 4
Plasma Grenade: 1
LAAG:
Frag: 3
Ghost/ Banshee Plasma Cannons:
Shade:
Banshee Fuel Rod Gun:
Hunter Fuel Rod Gun:
Melee: 1 - 7
Scorpion Sub Gun: 50
Scorpion Main Gun: 1

Master Chief

MA5B: 22
M6D: - 8
S2 AM: 1 - 2
M90:
M19 SSM: 1
Plasma Pistol: 20
Plasma Rifle: 20
Needler:
Charged Plasma Pistol: 4
Plasma Grenade: 1 - 2
LAAG: 11
Frag: 2
Ghost/ Banshee Plasma Cannons:
Shade:
Banshee Fuel Rod Gun: 3
Hunter Fuel Rod Gun: 2
Melee: 1 - 4
Scorpion Sub Gun: 22
Scorpion Main Gun: 1


And that is how it is in the books as well if you read carefully.

  • 07.04.2004 2:16 PM PDT
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if u dont like my grammer or choice of words dont read my post pal nothing else i can say elmicker. freedom of speech

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  • 07.04.2004 2:50 PM PDT
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Well while i dont believe any weapon is cheap, i definately believe the pistol imbalances the weapon settings. Me and usually 15 other guys get together every sunday to play tournament ruled games to practice up for halo2 compeditive play. However when you play with timers you'll find that the game becomes more about strategic control over the map, the rocket launcher, and the power ups, and less about each individual kill. Sometimes it's wiser to stay on higher ground on control a key choke point on a map, than to give up your position to chase a guy who's shield is down. But the more and more you play these game types you'll realize that the pistol is the only reliable medium to long range gun in the game.

Most guns in the game are only effective at close range. The Assault Rifle, Plasma pistol, Plasma rifle, Shotgun, Needler (which only truely effective when someone is running away from you with their back turned) So the only guns than can really stand up to the pistol are the rocket launcher and the sniper rifle in their respective ranges. So why is it that people don't complain more about those two weapons? Maybe it has something to do with clip size, ammo count, or maybe it's the fact that with tournament settings you start the every match and every life with an assault rifle and a pistol. Or maybe it's the fact that people when playing with skilled people are killed more with the pistol than any other weapon. So why is that? If the weapons were balanced wouldn't you think that more people would be taking up an assualt rifle as their primary weapon of choise? or the plasma pistol with it's great stun and overcharged shot capabilities?

Well every weapon has a place in the world of Halo1. Sadly with as many good-decent close range guns that there are to pick from, there aren't as many mid-long range guns to chose from. Which is why i believe that there's reason for compalint. Play a match on rat race, guess which gun will ammount to the most kills? There's no rocket launcher, there's no sniper rifle, but there is plenty of pistol to suit your needs, not to mention is map is basically four long hallways that connect each other. Now i'm definately not bitter, the pistol is very handy. But i'm definately looking forward to halo2 for the simple fact that, we know that there are at least 2-5 possbile mid-long range weapons. sniper rifle, battle rifle, (possible covenant carbine) (possible covenant sniper rifle) (possible pistol) Giving people much more freedom and choise to play the game with more versatility.

  • 07.04.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xolleran
I have played and owned Halo since the beginning! I am not a whinning 12 year old. I am an experienced gamer who is pissed off at the cheapness of a weapon. How is it that in Legendary you can drill an Elite 6 times in the head with a pistol bullet and not drop him? Especially the Golds and the Black Elites! If you are a Spartan and you run off the same energy shield platform how is the pistol so effective in multi-player? It should take the same amount! Any FPS I can think of has pistols as secondary weapons!
I guess I sound bitter, but I'm sick of people leaving games because I don't have pistols and radar on. Does anyone ever use plasma, or had a good old shoot out with assualt rifles? I want to have fun, and I want people to have fun! Dying in 2-5 sec. is not fun, especially for Noobs! I want Bungie to fix this. -blam!- the "trusty pistol!" I want to have fun again at a game I love...
dude, they ju7st want it to be hard. when u go onto the difficulty screen and u see legendary and u say "bring it on" they want to challenge u u can't expect a difficulty that's called legendary be easy. but, on the other hand, i know what u mean. when i'm playing on legendary, some pretty cheap -blam!- goes down. I know how u feel.

  • 07.04.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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Well while i dont believe any weapon is cheap, i definately believe the pistol imbalances the weapon settings. Me and usually 15 other guys get together every sunday to play tournament ruled games to practice up for halo2 compeditive play. However when you play with timers you'll find that the game becomes more about strategic control over the map, the rocket launcher, and the power ups, and less about each individual kill. Sometimes it's wiser to stay on higher ground on control a key choke point on a map, than to give up your position to chase a guy who's shield is down. But the more and more you play these game types you'll realize that the pistol is the only reliable medium to long range gun in the game.

Most guns in the game are only effective at close range. The Assault Rifle, Plasma pistol, Plasma rifle, Shotgun, Needler (which only truely effective when someone is running away from you with their back turned) So the only guns than can really stand up to the pistol are the rocket launcher and the sniper rifle in their respective ranges. So why is it that people don't complain more about those two weapons? Maybe it has something to do with clip size, ammo count, or maybe it's the fact that with tournament settings you start the every match and every life with an assault rifle and a pistol. Or maybe it's the fact that people when playing with skilled people are killed more with the pistol than any other weapon. So why is that? If the weapons were balanced wouldn't you think that more people would be taking up an assualt rifle as their primary weapon of choise? or the plasma pistol with it's great stun and overcharged shot capabilities?

Well every weapon has a place in the world of Halo1. Sadly with as many good-decent close range guns that there are to pick from, there aren't as many mid-long range guns to chose from. Which is why i believe that there's reason for compalint. Play a match on rat race, guess which gun will ammount to the most kills? There's no rocket launcher, there's no sniper rifle, but there is plenty of pistol to suit your needs, not to mention is map is basically four long hallways that connect each other. Now i'm definately not bitter, the pistol is very handy. But i'm definately looking forward to halo2 for the simple fact that, we know that there are at least 2-5 possbile mid-long range weapons. sniper rifle, battle rifle, (possible covenant carbine) (possible covenant sniper rifle) (possible pistol) Giving people much more freedom and choise to play the game with more versatility.

WOW! i swear i'm getting smarter as u talk

  • 07.04.2004 4:24 PM PDT
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The problem with the pistol is the lack of mid-range weapons rather than it being overpowered. Let's face it like someone said people got godlike with the pistol, however there really was no way to get godlike with any other gun other than the sniper rifle. Let's face it there wasn't much differece from a intermediate shotgun and a l33t shotgun player but the difference between a intermiediate and a l33t pistol player was HUGE difference. Now in Halo 2 with the gun balacing I see people getting great at a multitude of guns making it all the more fun and then the h4rdc0r3 players wont just play 100+ hours plaing with one gun and only one gun and that is much better IMO.

  • 07.04.2004 4:35 PM PDT
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And why do people who say they play 16 player this and that(all the time/every sunday/once in a blue Blaming! moon) think they know more about the workings of the game. Why do they think they know people who could own anyone on this board?!? Maybe, just maybe they don't have good competition? If someone has the pistol it is time to be creative, change your tactics. I change my tactics with every weapon i pick up, compared to the weapons someone else has. I move, i snipe i sneak around and kill things. "Oh the pistol is TOO powerful" whah!!! cry me a river.

Yes the pistol is a strong weapon in the game. But that is what armor piercing exploding rounds do. The are powerful, they kill things very effectively. But the pistol has its weaknesses. Close range vs a shot gun, the pistol will lose. Just one example. Or you could charge up a plasma pistol, hit em from behing, then switch to something else and blow the motherBlamer! away. Hey I even like the guys suggestion of puttin the needler to work(by the way the needler is the best weapon in the game)

Okay i appologize to anyone who could be offended by this post, but i ment every word of it.

  • 07.04.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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The ones who dont like the pistol are the ones who are not good enough to use it, cause it if without a doubt the best weapon in the game.

  • 07.04.2004 5:42 PM PDT
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That goes back to my point in Halo 2 there will be better balance and there wont be one best gun in the game but each gun has it's Pros and Cons and all sorts of people will be able to be l33t with all the guns.

  • 07.04.2004 6:49 PM PDT
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i mentioned the fact that i play each sunday with 15 other people as a statement to show people, i'm not just the casual yokel who beats on the same two people over and over and thinks he's got mad skills. Playing a deverse set of people will push you to greater limits when playing any game, especially if your competition is of very high class. Not saying mine is, but with 15 other minds and opinions on every matter that comes up you'll start to see the logic in any given argument.

Now if i say i'm fairly good with the pistol, definately not the best, definately not the worst. But i dislike the pistol because since the majority of guns can't stand up to it in the long run. Does that mean i'm just a noob who doesn't like the pistol because i get teh r0x0red with it every sunday when i play with my buds? Of course not. It's simpley a valid opinion, i use the pistol because It's by far the most versatile gun in the game and because if i stopped using it, if i stopped using timers, if i stopped playing every sunday with 15 friends, i would slowly and steadily get much, much worse at the game.

But i think my arguement is posted well enough earlier on this page so i'll let it speak for itself.

  • 07.04.2004 10:41 PM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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Some people say that the fuel rod gun is unbalanced, the pistol is far more unbalanced, it almost damages more than the fuel rod gun, and how on earth (or in halo, or in the covie homeworld) can it kill a hunter in one shot? the shotgun is far more powerfull and takes 3 or 4 shots to kill the hunter, its the most unbalanced weapon in the game, no doubt.

  • 07.05.2004 2:17 AM PDT
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Have you ever thought if the Battle Rifle will do the three shot kill? I'ts likely it wont, can you get a visual picture in your mind of everyone getting killed by quick three round burst shots, the gameplay would be gone. I hope they make it take 5-10 shots to kill somone with the Battle Rifle. (Depending on where aimed, 5=head 10=ligimants and such)

P.S The M6D pistol has been replaced with the Battle Rifle, so you guys better start warming up to it.

  • 07.05.2004 2:51 AM PDT
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Well i'm certainly not worried about the battle rifle so much, because of the covenant carbine. Not that i know how it acts or anything but if it's the covenant's equivilant to the battle rifle, at least there will be a choice that people have between the two. The three round burst however, with the battle rifle only works when the gun is not zoomed in. And since the three round burst is semi-automatic the accuracy drops based on the range of your target, so aiming at the head at mid/long range may yeild 1 or maybe 2 head shots if you're lucky. Seems to me like 3 round bursts will be nothing more than a waist of ammo unless your target is big enough, or you're aiming for the chest at mid range. So to me so long as there is at least one other semi-accuract scoped weapon for mid/long range use i'll be more than happy. And between the covenant carbine, the brute's gun, rumored covenant sniper rifle i think the possibility of the battle rifle having at least one worthy adversary is there.

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My point still stands. I say the pistol isn't cheap. It is well designed. Yes it does have a zoom, but when you are zoomed in, you move slower, and have a slower rate of fire. Yes the gun can kill with 3-4 shots to the head, that is why you keep on moving. It holds 12 shots in the clip...so what?!? That is a reasonable amount of ammo for a pistol to hold.

Think about what people are saying. They want a gun with more recoil, less ammo, and no scope. What does more recoil mean to a spartan? They can flip tanks!!!! To have noticeable recoil from a gun(really) It would have to fire overcharged 50 cal armor piercing, explosive rifle rounds. You would make the gun more powerful than the snipe rifle, you could kill with one shot, maybe 2 to the torso. You would end up making a gun that is more cheap and hated.

My point in all of this is there are better guns for different purposes in the game already. You want to kill up close? use a shot gun. You want to snipe? use the sniper rifle. You want to do a lot of damage? use a rocket launcher. You want to humilate someone? use the needler. You want a trust side arm? use either pistol. In my honest opinion i think th AR is the most under-powered weapon in the game. I still enjoy using it. I like to use short bursts with it and watch my enemies shields shrink away, but it isn't my fav.

  • 07.05.2004 6:11 AM PDT
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I agree with you entirely on the whole weapon thing, but I must point out something Java Bean. The Spartans (in the actual Halo universe) can not flip tanks. Yes I know they can inside the game, but there was a reason to that. Bungie knew people woul screw up and accidently flip their tank over on its back. So in order to make the game keep moving, and in all fairness to the player, they made it so that a stupid player can correct his mistaken of putting the Scorpion on its back. Just needed to clear that up.

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yeah i know i know :) And thank you for agreeing with me. It is good to see that there are people with like minds out there.

But seriously, The spartans are much strong than humans can ever be. There have suped up skeletons, tendons, and muscles. Then you put them in power armor that makes them even stronger. To have a gun with more "kick" would involve extreemly high caliber weapons, with short stubby barrels. Of course with these bigger and bigger calibers would be more damage...so on and so on. People would complain that the "New and Improved" pistol, with less shots and more recoil is a "Cheap" weapon, because it kills with one head shot, even if someone has full shields.

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Well while i've already stated that i don't believe the pistol is cheap (just imbalanced) I'm not too sure if you can say that recoil equals more power. I mean just look at the SMGs holding a suppression fire with those guns will make them more unstable But they're definatley not so powerful that they'll move anyone down in much less than 20-30 shots.

  • 07.05.2004 3:37 PM PDT
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The statement that the Battle Rifle is replacing the pistol is false. The Battle Rifle is a replacement of the MA5B AR but it's true it fits more of the role of the old pistol.

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How the hell would the UNSC replace all those MA5Bs with prototypes that aren't even in mass production yet in such a short period of time? They couldn't. Not with an army that size. Hell it is hard enough now a days to replace an entire divisions worth with updated M4's.

Sure maybe in the future they'll have better production facilities, but the task of distributing them to every single soldier would be impossible. Especially considering Halo 2 takes place a very short while after First Strike. Like only a few weeks tops.

So don't even count on seeing any weapon replaced, Bungie is too conscious on this level of realism.

I can see at the beginning of Halo 2 a bunch of MA5Bs with minimal SMGs and BRs and later on as you progress through the game you less and less of the MA5B, but still why do you assume so much?

Bungie never said any of the weapons are being replaced. Anywhere. I keep an eye out for that stuff. Now bring me concrete proof, from Bungie, not some random fan site or cheap magazine that has very foolish editors, that any of the weapons have been replaced.

When you do this Shadow_WarriorX maybe then I'll consider your theory, but until then don't count on anything being replaced, because Bungie has said nothing about replacements.


Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The statement that the Battle Rifle is replacing the pistol is false. The Battle Rifle is a replacement of the MA5B AR but it's true it fits more of the role of the old pistol.

  • 07.05.2004 4:52 PM PDT
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I thought the reason the pistol is more powerful is because it has explosive rounds.

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And it was also a freaking 12.7mm round. Aka .50 caliber

  • 07.05.2004 4:54 PM PDT
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If they keep the pistol, at least make EVERY weapon stronger. I mean, does a soldier prefer a colt .45 to a Thompson or garand in WW2?

  • 07.05.2004 4:57 PM PDT