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Posted by: Snipe Assault
If they keep the pistol, at least make EVERY weapon stronger. I mean, does a soldier prefer a colt .45 to a Thompson or garand in WW2?


There were people that actually did prefer that gun over the others. (My great-grandfather was one of them and he got back from the war in one piece)

  • 07.05.2004 4:58 PM PDT
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The Battle Rifle is a enhanced AR and dont even try to put spin on it's logistics it's a freaking game. How do you explain the new SMG the new tracking on the rocket launcher the ATVs and gauss hogs let alone the covenant adding a whole new race to it's fold along with atleast three new weapons a whole new dropship a shadow a creep and new boosting technology in a few months not realistic is it?

  • 07.05.2004 5:37 PM PDT
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Look at any description of the Battle Rifle from bungie or a magazine and it is descriped as a enhanced AR it's been common knowledge since 2002. man I hate these arguments like in 2002 after EGDE made a huge mistake in their article people would argue that the Brutes was a seperate alien race and not part of the Covenant people need to be less stubborn.

  • 07.05.2004 5:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The Battle Rifle is a enhanced AR and dont even try to put spin on it's logistics it's a freaking game. How do you explain the new SMG the new tracking on the rocket launcher the ATVs and gauss hogs let alone the covenant adding a whole new race to it's fold along with atleast three new weapons a whole new dropship a shadow a creep and new boosting technology in a few months not realistic is it?


The Battle Rifle is a prototype in design for a hopeful replacement of the MA5B in the coming years of the war, not the replacement within a matter of weeks and I will put whatever spin on logistics I want, so try and stop me. I can explain the new Sub Machine Gun, it is called another prototype, just like the Battle Rifle. This was explained in First Strike.

Tracking has always been on the rocket launchers, at least on the Jackhammers. The Jackhammer is another weapon from the books (mainly in The Fall of Reach). Also it isn't that hard to produce only new munitions in a weapon that probably meant to track its targets anyways. It is a much different story to replace an entire firearm and its munitions.

The ATVs may not be as common as you might think, hell for all we know the UNSC may have kept those suckers around and were never mentioned in the books. The gauss gun can be easilly added becaseu fot he modular type of platform the Warthog is. Besides who said that the Gauss gun would replace everything? Hell it may also already had been in production long before Reach, just never really used because it was so expensive. Which leads me to believe that the Gauss gun will be more rare.

Plus the Covenant have been quite quiet on their different races up until 2552. From Feb. 2525 till June of 2552 we only fought Grunts and Jackals. It wasn't until July 2552 that we even ran across our first Hunter or our first encounter with an Engineer. Then the first time we saw an Elite was on August 30th, 2552, which is when Reach was attacked. Meaning technically the second time we fought Elites was at Halo, whcih was just a scant two weeks after Reach was attacked. And Brutes were first encounter on the Unyielding Heirophant. They easily could have been around for hundreds of years. All the Covenant are doing right now is "pulling back the stops" on their warrior caste.

Also what three new weapons? The Covenant lose 500 ships, a space station along with them, multiple Forerunner artifacts (the bigest of which is Halo and that weird crystal thingy), also an entire armada at Halo, dozens if not a hudred ships at Reach and the Prophet of High Truth declares it a minor set back! They have the capability to mass produce things up the ass, unlike us right now in 2552. Also how do we know that the Carbine, Slug Launcher and this other weapon you are referring to wasn't already around? Hell they could be old weapons reserved for specialty units that are now just being distributed.

Plus the new dropship could have already been around, just never used. Actually there was a mention of a ship on Sigma Octanus IV that was very similar to the Phantom in description. Larger ships that the Chief didn't recognize. These ships past over him and the Spartans as they crawled through the mud. Sam excuse goes out for the Creep, heck it may also not be used all that much in combat.

And the boost, the Covenant are already light years ahead of us, why can't they make a minor adjustment with their super technological race? I mean they are able to do it with their facilities. Not to mention the ships coming after us are on " The Great Journey " and that sounds to me like they get all the " special toys. " You might also bring up the point about the Needler being quicker in fire rate. Well that is possible to do. A minor adjustment like that to a weapon in the game is possible. Besides in the books it seemed like those hings fired that fast anyways.

We are losing this war, our production facilities are limited with Reach gone and we won't have as many of the new guns as you saw in the E3 demos. It is just not possible to have all MA5Bs and M6Ds just disappear from the face of the UNSC. Bungie knows this and won't -blam!- up.

All of that is pretty realistic. You just don't see it.

  • 07.05.2004 5:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Snipe Assault
If they keep the pistol, at least make EVERY weapon stronger. I mean, does a soldier prefer a colt .45 to a Thompson or garand in WW2?


There were people that actually did prefer that gun over the others. (My great-grandfather was one of them and he got back from the war in one piece)


You know wat i mean. Just making a point. Fine! How about a .22 cal vs a colt .45

  • 07.05.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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I'll take the .22 because it is quieter and I can still kill with it. (sorry, I just like being a royal pain in the ass =)

  • 07.05.2004 6:04 PM PDT
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A water balloon, or a colt .45?

  • 07.05.2004 6:11 PM PDT
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Colt .45.......only for suicide purposes

  • 07.05.2004 6:11 PM PDT
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Wow, youre... pleasnt. JK. Well i HOPE u got my poit n

  • 07.05.2004 6:12 PM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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Posted by: Creep
Well while i've already stated that i don't believe the pistol is cheap (just imbalanced) I'm not too sure if you can say that recoil equals more power. I mean just look at the SMGs holding a suppression fire with those guns will make them more unstable But they're definatley not so powerful that they'll move anyone down in much less than 20-30 shots.


Okay i didn't cover rate of fire when i was talkng about recoil. When you fire fully automatic it makes the recoil harder and harder to controll. By the way can anyone answer tell me if this is true (this has a point in HALO2). A friend of mine came back from boot camp, he was very excited about something his sergent did. He was using the new m16(or what-ever it was called) showing off how little recoil the weapon has. The sergent braced the gun up to his shoulder, his head, then his crotch, and fired 3 rnd burst at each location to show how little recoil the sucker had.

My point in this is that if this is true, and i have no reason to disbelieve, then saying the BR is going to be inaccurate when fireing 3 rnd bursts is just a little not true. More of a grey area. Yes it is going to be a little less accurate, so its true, but it shouldn't be that less accurate to notice.. Unless it has hellish recoil.

  • 07.05.2004 6:38 PM PDT
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Hikaru you forget this is a GAME it doesn't have too make sense and every game has new things that dont necessarily have to be explained. The BR replacing all the MA5Bs may or may not be realistic but it's all for gameplay balance nothing more nothing less.

  • 07.05.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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Jesus Christ! When I posted this, I didn't expect this level of malice from people! I always felt that in a FPS you never ever kept a pistol because he with the most automatic wins! I never enjoyed the pistol because it didn't make sense for it to be that powerful. The assualt Rifle shoots armor piercing explosive rounds too. It has nearly the same caliber! It shoots a lot more rounds quickly! It doesn't do -blam!- for damage in the game! Why is it that I can ingage a friend with a shotgun and blast him at 6ft and he's still alive, but he can squeeze of 3-4 rounds while I discarge one? Know what, he'll win everytime! The pistol is too good at any range. Realistically a pistol is good only for close/med. combat, while assualt weapons are the same. How does 3-4 shots with a pistol win when 25-50 rds with an assault rifle don't do -blam!-? The people who don't acknowledge the gross realistic error with the pistol to me are the shining example of human ignorance! Bungie gonna fix this error, and Halo 2 will finally be balanced and fun again!

  • 07.07.2004 10:25 AM PDT
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If you think the pistol is cheap go play another game you noob your just mad about ppl owning your ass halfway across the level when u try and kill them with an AR lololololol

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HERE HERE

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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Hikaru you forget this is a GAME it doesn't have too make sense and every game has new things that dont necessarily have to be explained. The BR replacing all the MA5Bs may or may not be realistic but it's all for gameplay balance nothing more nothing less.


You can not stop my zeal. I will fight for the return of those weapons. Even if I must put someone to gun point...well mayeb not that far, but you get the idea.

LONG LIVE THE OLD WEAPONS!!!!!

  • 07.07.2004 11:36 AM PDT
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You fruit ;-D. Anyways if you cant kill someone with a shotgun at 6ft you have some skill problems try dodging it's alot arder to get three shot kills on a strafing jumping crouching target but mainly just practice and get your skill up dude seriously!

  • 07.07.2004 11:59 AM PDT
Subject: Mod. the weapons please! The pistol is cheap!
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Chino XL: "FPS's of all time Golden eye, what were the most powerful guns beside the obvious rocket launcher? the magnum and the golden gun, BOTH PISTOLS!"

You make reference to the golden gun as a realistic weapon? Thats pretty sad. Bungie claims to make all the weapons realistic, yet the pistol is anything but fare. If Bungie wants to preserve realism they need to "adjust" the pistol. Some people just gotta deal with the facts.

  • 07.17.2004 12:55 AM PDT