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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

What does that look like? Does it have the EU flag on it like the rest, but with "SCO" rather than "UK"?

  • 03.28.2005 5:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: fcghardcore
To bad no one cares about technicalities ben. If people did the world might actually make sense. Imagine that!!!


They make scotlond...hehe.....A part of a much larger area.

If we had to list every country on a list of europe we could be here for a while.

  • 03.28.2005 5:54 AM PDT
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Albania, Andorra, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia (Slovak Republic), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, [color=red]S[/color][color=white]w[/color][color=red]i[/color ][color=white]t[/color][color=red]z[/color][color=white]e[/co lor][color=red]r[/color][color=white]l[/color][color=red]a[/c olor][color=white]n[/color][color=red]d[/color], Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City, Yugoslavia.

However, these are only countries recognized by some website I googled. I suppose to find a full list we'd have to include every country with a soccer team that tried to qualify for the World Cup in Europe:
Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, England, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland Republic, Israel, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia FYR, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Scotland, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, [color=red]Switz[/color][color=white]erland[/color], Turkey, Ukraine, Wales.

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  • 03.28.2005 8:10 AM PDT

"Albania! Albania! You border on the Adriatic. Your land is mostly mountainous, And your chief export is Chrome."

Sorry, I just had a Cheers flashback.

  • 03.28.2005 8:48 AM PDT
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Hooray for the scottish revolt. You should be able to claim Louisiana for a country. Louisiana is going to revolt. Well if you can call it a revolution. Actually the US will be glad to get rid of us.

  • 03.28.2005 9:54 AM PDT
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Scotland isnt a country, if u look up all the countries in a geography text book, it isnt there. The United Kingdom is. Scotland is like a province along with England and Northern Ireland. They make up the United Kingdom which is a country. You cant have a country in a country. If u choose ur country on Bungie you dont see a list of all the Canadian provinces. ITS A LIST OF COUNTRIES NOT EVERY SINGLE PROVINCE OR STATE

[Edited on 3/28/2005 11:23:12 AM]

  • 03.28.2005 11:22 AM PDT

Posted by: Letz Rock
Scotland isnt a country, if u look up all the countries in a geography text book, it isnt there. The United Kingdom is. Scotland is like a province along with England and Northern Ireland. They make up the United Kingdom which is a country. You cant have a country in a country. If u choose ur country on Bungie you dont see a list of all the Canadian provinces. ITS A LIST OF COUNTRIES NOT EVERY SINGLE PROVINCE OR STATE

Wow, that just shows a lack of understanding of foreign geography.

Firstly, it's actually the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. A combination of two "countries". Secondly, Great Britain is an amalgam of countries - England, Wales and Scotland. You can think of Britain (and the UK) like Europe (if your education covered the basics of the European Union). There is a law and parliament common to all of the countries that make up the UK, but the individual countires also have their own laws and parliaments.

  • 03.28.2005 3:49 PM PDT
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All right, I'll make you a deal. You can put Scotland as a country if I can put New England. Makes perfect sense to me, they're both provinces (areas, land masses, etc.) part of a internationaly recognized country. That's the real question here, does the rest of the world recognize Scotland as it's own country? If not, then what you think doesn't mean jack.

No offense intended, I feel your pain. I honestly wouldn't mind being seperate from the South. Zing.

  • 03.29.2005 6:13 AM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Well, the matter isn't as simple as you'd think. There exists a Scottish nation. There once existed an independant Scottish nation-state. Scotland is a country, much like England, Bavaria, Transylvania and Basque. Just because all of these are part of larger administrative areas doesn't make them any less countries. European social-georgraphy is far from clear cut.

  • 03.29.2005 6:59 AM PDT

does the rest of the world recognize Scotland as it's own country?
That means nothing. The simple fact is that Scotland IS a country. It isn't a province - it's a standalone COUNTRY. Anyone that tells you differently is wrong.

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The dude's got a point. It's great to feel sentimental about your origin/country but the rest of the world - more specific USA - doesn't give a rat's ass about what's happening outside their windows. That's just part of their culture I guess and the older I get the more I start to think: who could blame them.

I am Belgian, more specific FLEMISH. Half of the Belgian population is. I don't see FLANDERS appearing anywhere in countries listboxes but I couldn't care less because my country in Halo2 is the team I am playing in.

P.s.: I've been to Scotland once, it's a beautiful country and Durness is one of my favorite hidouts ;-)

  • 03.30.2005 2:29 AM PDT
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ITS EITHER THE UK IS A COUNTRY OR SCOTLAND IS A COUNTRY, YOU CANT HAVE A COUNTRY INSIDE A COUNTRY. THE UK IS THE COUNTRY

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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

The UK isn't a country.

  • 03.30.2005 5:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Quebec has made attempts to secede from Canada.

Oof. Yeah, and that's the reason why I don't really empathise too much with sovereignist movements; my first experience with them involved bombings, assasinations, and martial law. (It's a bit bewildering for a 2 1/2 year old. A tad intimidating, too; not because soldiers and tanks in the streets are frightening to a tyke, but because everybody else has the willies.)

In any case, the UK is a special kind of entity... it's several "nations" who all have the same head of state (currently Queen Elizabeth II) and (until very recently) legistative body.

-- Steve'll stop here before we start debating political theory, as we're creeping terribly off-topic. (Unless there's some way to tie this into Myth or something...?)

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I apologize for not being up on my details of the social history of the British Isles/Empire but wasn't there a period in the 19th century where the majority of native Scots were forced off of their land and massively relocated to other "lands of the realm" most notably the various Canadian provinces?

Or was that just something that I heard as part of a really long Monty Python sketch?


Isnt that the Irish? Or maybe the scottish as well?

And all in all who cares really what country we belong to? For we are all brothers/sisters born from the same person. (Whoever that is)
Anyway being from different countries is confusing? because I am English/welsh,Irish, german, swedish, french and italian.

[Edited on 3/31/2005 1:54:57 PM]

  • 03.31.2005 1:49 PM PDT
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Recon Number 54, those places are not countries, and if you think they are, they are independent from that country. Scotland is A PART of the UK and the UK IS A COUNTRY so thats like saying all the states in the US could be countries too.

  • 03.31.2005 4:38 PM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Dictionary.com definition:


1) a) A nation or state.
b) The territory of a nation or state; land.
c) The people of a nation or state; populace: The whole country will profit from the new economic reforms.
2) The land of a person's birth or citizenship: Foreign travel is restricted in his country.
3) A region, territory, or large tract of land distinguishable by features of topography, biology, or culture: hill country; Bible country.


Scotland is a nation. Scotland is a country. And the above definition of state different to that of the American states.

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  • 03.31.2005 4:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Letz Rock
Recon Number 54, those places are not countries, and if you think they are, they are independent from that country. Scotland is A PART of the UK and the UK IS A COUNTRY so thats like saying all the states in the US could be countries too.

Sigh...

"What makes Scotland so distinctive?
"There are some things that are uniquely Scottish but in truth, there's no single element that defines the country."

Next time, just believe us, since we actually live in the UK. Or use Google even.

  • 03.31.2005 5:05 PM PDT
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I lived in England for 3 years and you guys can say what you want, I have never EVER seen a geography book or map that has shown Scotland as a country. They show the United Kingdom in bold letters on a map or globe in capitals and then show england, wales, scotland, and N. Ireland in Italics. You guys can think Scotland is a country but most of the rest of the world that have been educated about the UK do not. Also, why do u people like to be so divided and distinguished from the rest of the UK and cant just get along and be united with the rest of the UK? geee...

  • 03.31.2005 5:20 PM PDT

Also, why do u people like to be so divided and distinguished from the rest of the UK and cant just get along and be united with the rest of the UK? geee...
That was my argument right at the beginning of this thread. All I was proving was that you were wrong about Scotland not being a country.
You guys can think Scotland is a country but most of the rest of the world that have been educated about the UK do not.
Then they haven't been educated very well. Britain and the UK are administrative areas that were formed by various Acts of Union throughout history.
I have never EVER seen a geography book or map that has shown Scotland as a country.
Here . And here .

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Must be some pro-scotland map site. And the 2nd map didnt prove anything, it was just a map of the UK. If the UK isnt a country then what is it??

  • 03.31.2005 6:50 PM PDT
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well im not from scotland but why not?

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The UK is simply a collectinon of countries. The problem is that people from America tend to look at things through a comparision to the American ways (which some Americans believe are the best ways). The America is made up of states, the UK is made up of countries but is not a country. American people believe everything must fall into their order and presume that it does so when, in this case, it does not. Scotland is a country. Fact. What that makes the United kingdom is irelevant; it is simply a "kingdom" that somebody rules. That doesn't mean its a country. You cannot define the UK properly because Scotland is a country and as it is said "you can't have a country inside a country". So let's then simply define the UK as a kingdom (which is what its damn name means!) and define everything within it as a country. Why shouldn't the UK be a kingdom, just because there is no such thing else where (like in America)

  • 04.01.2005 1:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Letz Rock
Must be some pro-scotland map site. And the 2nd map didnt prove anything, it was just a map of the UK. If the UK isnt a country then what is it??

Now you're just being obstinate. Even Princeton know that Scotland is a country.

The UK isn't really a country. It is an administrative area. The clue's in the name - United Kingdom. It's like the British Empire was - a collection of countries that are controlled from one place.

  • 04.01.2005 2:26 AM PDT

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