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Subject: Hey Bungie. Make Halo 2 where people can NOT time the powerups/weap...
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has any one here red the halo books?

  • 07.05.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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  • 07.05.2004 11:45 AM PDT
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and basically im uber nub at these forums and i just posted something 2 a user instead of the entire forum...my bad lol

  • 07.05.2004 11:49 AM PDT
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Someone is always going to know some trick in Halo that does give their team an advantage. Whose fault is it? The team that studies the game and learns advanced strategy or the team that is unaware of the advanced strategy? There’s always going to be a learning curve in Halo. Some players are farther up that curve than others.

It seems to be that the teams that are unaware of some of the advanced Halo strategies are asking the more knowledgeable teams to play with one thumb behind their back.

Everyone has the same potential.

  • 07.05.2004 11:55 AM PDT

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Well said rapture. The people who don't realize the dedication it takes to learn the finer points of a game do not deserve to -blam!- about it. You simply do not have the right to complain. If they are using cheats, or modded boxes, or exploiting the levels (top of level type of exploitation, things you shouldn't be able to do) then by all means, complain. You have a right to complain if they are exploiting the game in that way. But counting to 60 in your head isn't cheating, never was. And if you play better with it, or without it, it doesn't really matter in the long run.

  • 07.05.2004 1:36 PM PDT
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You're both right. The way I see it, Halo players divide into two categories:
-Those who want to win
-Those who play for fun

The first time you hear of the powerup timer, your reactive decides your halo fate.

"Awsome where can I get me one of these?!" [wannabeawinner]
"-blam!- that, thats -blam!- cheap." [wannabegoodbymyownstandards]

  • 07.05.2004 8:21 PM PDT
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in response to all of you, if someone says they do not time, this automatically means they are horribly bad at halo. im sorry its the truth, powerups are the central core of the game now, and if u cant realize that, then ur playing a game u dont kno how to play. there is no way kazoo is good, or any of you who said nething about timing being bad. go to www.halopro.com, watch some vids of ppl who kno wat their doing. u kids are the reason i kick neone i havent heard of from my xbc room. cuz if i time u lose 50-0 and then start -blam!-ing about my "cheap" tactics, like ur supposed to have mercy in a fing video game. playing fair is the stupidest crap ive ever heard of. if u play on a competitive level its about control, its not like if u ask real nice theyll let u get a couple camos cuz they had it the whole game. and if u dont play on a competitve level, stop fing joining games that say elite only cuz theres no way in hell ur elite if u dont time. on another note, halo 1 was a complete fluke. everything great about the multiplayer was on accident, ive seen the way bungie talks about the game, and they talk about it like u guys, fing noobs. they have no idea that theyve made one of the most strategic games that takes real smarts to play. they think its all about BG CTF W00T, which is the first sign of noobness. there is no way bungie can pull of the accidental greatness of halo 1 again, and so halo 2 will just end up being a huge version of a noobified bg ctf game. hell even halo pc was horrible.

  • 07.06.2004 8:58 AM PDT
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i agree completely [with gamejunkiejim] . The only way someone can be "cheap" in a game like this is to take advantage of glitches or other such errors in the game. Timing is perfectly fine. To be honest with you, I didn't even know there was a timer for powerups and such, but now that I do know, I'll be sure to look into it.

and just because you don't time it doesn't mean you are a "n00b" or in anyway bad at halo. Out of the people I play with I'm in the top 3 and I didn't even know you could time.

jeez, people get so worked up over nothing, it's ridiculous!

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  • 07.06.2004 9:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: noodlemcfoodle
i agree completely [with gamejunkiejim] . The only way someone can be "cheap" in a game like this is to take advantage of glitches or other such errors in the game. Timing is perfectly fine. To be honest with you, I didn't even know there was a timer for powerups and such, but now that I do know, I'll be sure to look into it.


[color=lime] Go to google and type in 1337 guide. download the timer there, thats the timer I use. I didn't like people that timed, because I thought that should be a tourny only thing, but more people started to use them, and everyone knows the Halo rule of thumb: If you can't beat em, join em. [/color]

[color=green]I play Halo mostly for fun. For example last night friends and I played a 3v3 rally bloodgultch base, we were owning them as expected 19-9 flags, so the three of us decided to form our war machine. One warthog driver, one gunner, and one rocket man sitting shotgun. ohh wow what fun, you start driving on level ground, let your rocket man take aim, and BOOM![/color]

  • 07.06.2004 10:04 AM PDT

there are no rules against being cheap. in fact, being cheap is the best way to win. timing is cheap, camping is cheap, blocking warps is cheap, spawn killing is cheap, screen watching is cheap too. nevertheless, all of those things can and often do help to win a game. the only way to cheat is to change the game (like modding your xbox so that the rules that apply to other players (like reloading) don't apply to you). as long as you don't change the game, all is fair. the cheapest players usually win. in high level competitions, it becomes a challenge to see who can be the cheapest.

  • 07.06.2004 11:05 AM PDT
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murdah said it right, you play to win or have fun. but some of us win while having fun...

and to all hose naysayers---hint hint retribution hint hint--
RETRIBUTION
You still play on xconnect? i havnt in a long time, i got tired of having my opponents leave in mid game. i guess they were elites, or something, and didnt want to varnish there supposeded record...

if you want to play me, living prof of how you are wrong, email or im me.
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and no, we aint playing ctf. strait up slayer, but we can do a 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3...anyway, i dont care. oh, and ill be he one called kazoo. you may see my name on your screen a lot. and there will probably be a couple words before it, to. like "you were killed by..."
yup, this is a challenge.

  • 07.06.2004 12:03 PM PDT
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dont bump your thread you spammer mod block this down

  • 07.06.2004 12:19 PM PDT
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after thinking about this (and reading your comments and trying it), i have decided that i would like timing to stay in the game.

I still think the best thing would be for there to be an option to either play with or without timing. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. If you like timing you can play with timing, and if you don't like timing you can play without it.

So if i could change the name of my thread it would be this.

HEY BUNGIE, MAKE HALO 2 WHERE PEOPLE CAN AND CAN NOT TIME THE POWERUPS/WEAPONS BY GIVING US 2 OPTIONS(one for "timing" and one for "no timing").

  • 07.06.2004 12:42 PM PDT
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mm07 didn't even post on the second page... how could he bump his own topic?


I live in cleveland and play soul calibur, soul calibur 2, and halo:CE with a very large community of gamers. A friend of mine named Nash (tournament winning street fighter, and tekken player, and now an incredibley solid and potential soul calibur 2 player) recently told me "Be cheap, and don't think about it, because then you might feel bad, and then you might stop doing it... and then you'll lose." And that basically sums it up.

In my mind there are two types of gamers, there are compeditive and there are casual. The tournament players and the people who are content with beating on their crappy group of friends. And to tell you the truth, the casual gamers really don't have any place to make any kind of demand or recommendation to the sequel. Because they have biased and uneducated opinions about the work in progress. I honestly feel that in order to maintain any continuity balance and pride in the halo multiplayer enviornment the Halo national tournment winners should be paid to be correspondants to bungie to input their feedback and beta test the game. There are no people who have a better say in what should stay, what should be tweaked, what should go etc than the best players of the game. Because frankly they know more about exploiting the game to it's full potential than even the developers.

I'm not trying to be hatefull at all, but i'm just calling it like i see it. Soul calibur for dreamcast a cult hit, and incredibly deep fighting game, (and despite it's exploited glitches) also incredibley balanced. But soul calibur 2 was created with the mentality to bring more of namco's tekken players into playing another franchise. Many might say (in namco's defense) well they are certainly entitled to make more money. But the reality of the situation is they alienated just about all of the top rated players from the first game. People that never stopped playing the game untill the sequel came out. People that continously traveled the country in search of winning another big tournament prize for 3-4 years. Now if you ask many of the SCI greats about SCII you'll most likely here that the game is garbage, some still play on a semi-compeditive level, but the game turned from bulldog to turtle in one single bound. It is technically a sequel, but no where near the same game we came to know and love.

Now i'm not saying "fear for halo" But i am saying that the halo community needs to inform itself about the true nature of the game. And learn to play it the way best players play. Not by their own made up "house rules" that no one beyond thier small group of friends abides by. Find out why they really call it ... "combat evolved." and maybe you'll decide to do a little evolving of your own.

here's a little starter.
www.thegtc.com

  • 07.06.2004 1:10 PM PDT
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Maverick's videos are kick ass.

Hey, how do you trick the teleporter in damnation so you get on top?

  • 07.06.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: kazoo


and no, we aint playing ctf. strait up slayer, but we can do a 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3...anyway, i dont care. oh, and ill be he one called kazoo. you may see my name on your screen a lot. and there will probably be a couple words before it, to. like "you were killed by..."
yup, this is a challenge.


[color=lime] I'll take you on. I don't know who you've been playin against, but you definately won't win against me. [/color]

[Edited on 7/6/2004 2:04:16 PM]

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kazoo u have no -blam!- clue wat ur talking about. unlike you, i HAVE been to several MAJOR tournaments with over 400 attendes and 10 k in prizes. the one i actually competed in my team placed 13th out of 80 teams, AGP 4. so shut ur mouth before i -blam!- you up. ctf is a horrible noob gametype which u would kno if u were any good. the reason people leave ur game is most likely ur hosting with a -blam!- 100 upload which only noobs do because it ruins the game to play with -blam!- lag. tough man talking -blam!- on ur own host. i doubt u even kno who any of the good players are let alone have played them. If you are in the atlanta area show up to the halo50k3 on the 24th and 25th and see how the big boys play. ill be attending for sure, because im actually good at the game unlike you. but, i guess i could dust my xbox and ethernet cables off to play a little connect with you, just for the good feeling id get from shutting u the -blam!- up. i have one condition. no quitting, even on ur host, when ur losing 49-0 because u dont kno wtf a friggin rocket is. unlike you i have a lan team i practice with every weekend who are all nationally ranked, so it mite get boring beating a noob like u on ur -blam!- ass host(i kno ull -blam!- if u have to play off host cuz u dont kno wat a friggin ping is). o and one more thing, its already established im better than you because i belong to one of the top 3 clans on xbc, [_0m3N_], which u would have accomplished if you were as good as u think u are. plz just stop embarrasing urself. so im not gonna seek a noob out like u to play with, i have plenty of good players i can spend my time with.

Heres my aim, BoOm1337, hit it up if u feel like getting ur -blam!- pushed out ur mouth.

  • 07.07.2004 12:40 AM PDT
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People who time just don't always have much of a life, or are in a tournament.

  • 07.07.2004 12:44 AM PDT

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  • 07.07.2004 12:51 AM PDT
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there is nothing wrong with timing or powerups people who go and say "OMG U TIME SO UR NOOB" are usually the ones who get killed by the timers and with powerups if you got killed by someone with an invis or a oversheild its your fault for not getting it in the first place

there is a difference in scores between people who just run off and blast everyone they see and people who know the maps and know where the weapons and powerups spawn with usually the latter winning

  • 07.07.2004 12:58 AM PDT
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wow......lots of commotion.....it crazy how much we can find bad about halo several years later when its still beating the crap outa other new games.

Now...my opinion.....
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1.timing=OK with me
2.rockets/snipers=great
3.anything else(xcept hacking)=great
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it doesnt matter 2 much about how u play, if ur losin change ur tactic....like if u go to the rocket launcher every time and u get a sniper bullet in ur head, dont go to that spot
Im not good but im ok and i loose a lot(i almost never get fisrt) but i am tryin things that are tricky and hard(ie. the 24/7 sniper server on Halo CE) and i do get better. so if som1 uses tactics that may be "cheap" 2 u, then counter it with sumtin that can beat it. If some1 gets the powerups, use sniper, if some1 uses sniper, snipe em back or find a way around to get em.

One thing that i do not like about this topic is how much people are getting mad and the fact that we are getting desperate to find flaws with Halo

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I'm not mad, I just don't like exploitation and screenwatching. General physics exploitation is fine, but "top of Level" bullshi+ really gets on my nerves. If he's off of the level, your bullets don't hit him. Cheap. And Screenwatching... I forgive it if your honest about it. "oh crap, I'm running, Yeah I know I looked." But I will beat you senseless if you lie to my face...

And yes I know how to get on the top of the level, and yes I know that you can't shoot anyone unless you are in the level. And that's not the point.

[Edited on 7/7/2004 1:51:48 AM]

  • 07.07.2004 1:50 AM PDT
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u werent gettin mad, i know, but sum ppl are.....and i completly agree with you

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Posted by: Creep


In my mind there are two types of gamers, there are compeditive and there are casual. The tournament players and the people who are content with beating on their crappy group of friends. And to tell you the truth, the casual gamers really don't have any place to make any kind of demand or recommendation to the sequel. Because they have biased and uneducated opinions about the work in progress. I honestly feel that in order to maintain any continuity balance and pride in the halo multiplayer enviornment the Halo national tournment winners should be paid to be correspondants to bungie to input their feedback and beta test the game. There are no people who have a better say in what should stay, what should be tweaked, what should go etc than the best players of the game. Because frankly they know more about exploiting the game to it's full potential than even the developers.




You make good points.... However, I think everyone has a place to make recommendations for the sequel. If it weren't for the casual gamers, there wouldnt even be a halo 2. I dont know the ratio of causal gamers to competitive /tournament gamers, but I'm sure MS / Bungie couldnt have relied on sales to competitive players only. I would guess there are more casual gamers. So I feel everyones opinions / recommendations count. Everyone has to pay the same 50 bucks for the game. And Im sure Bungie wants to make everyone (or at least as many as possible) happy with the sequel. If tournament players were to beta test, they would be getting feedback from only tournament players, and not those that play purely for fun. No one's opinion is more important that anyone elses...

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