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Subject: (((( PART 2 )))) Sergeant Johnson: A Trojan Horse?

If you're wondering what part 1 is about, then click[color=yellow] HERE [/color]. As for part 2, here it is. Since, and this has been well documented in part 1, Sergent Johnson has this new regenerative ability, he may turn into a walking super human, time bomb, Jesus figure. Let me elaborate:

[color=red]1. He MAY be super human because everytime he is injured his new regenerative ability will heal him... basically, he will be invincible.[/color]

[color=white]2. He MAY be a walking time bomb because he is carrying potentially potient flood DNA in his body. Any of these genes get out of his body ( a cut or something ), and all hell will break loose.[/color]

[color=blue]3. He MAY become a Jesus figure because he might hold the only cure ( himself ) to the Flood. Basically, he would have to give his life to save all those who are infected; however, he would rise again because of the new regenerative process.[/color]

With all this said, and I know it's sounds really crazy to most of you, here is Part 2 of the Trojan Horse theory.

In part 1 of the Trojan Horse theory I described the Flood using Johnson as a Trojan Horse on his own kind. In part 2, I would like to discuss the idea that the Humans may figure out a way to use Johnson as a Trojan Horse on the Covenant. This would fit the profile of the Spartans in our own history much better. It might go something like this (JUST AN EXAMPLE):

Two huge masses convert in the plains of ( Fill in the blank ) to go to battle. One side would be the Covenant, and the other side would be Humans. Before all Hell breaks loose, Johnson would be sent out ALONE into the Covenant mass. Of course, this would look crazy to the Covenant. [color=yellow]It might even look as a if the Humans are offering a sacrafic to their Gods ( The Forerunners ).[/color] They, the Covenant, would accept the sacrafic (Johnson) with open arms... of furry. He would be ripped apart; which by doing so, would spread the Flood DNA inside his body all over the Covenant welcoming comity. Flood forms would begin to pop up everywhere, and the infection would begin to spread throughout the Covenant hord. You can see for yourself where this is heading. The Covenant become the Flood, and the Flood, who have no stategic mindset other than INFECT, would be overcome by the Humans, who now have the technological/strategic advantage.

This is ONLY an example of the many possibilities concerning Johnson. He is a Trojan Horse to someone in the Halo universe, but who? This is just another take on the situation from me:)



[color=red]UPDATE:[/color]
[color=aqua]I understand many you guys concerns; however, I must ask you to think about this. If the Flood genes can't reconfigure the cellular stucture of organic life, then what gave Johnson the new regenerative ability? I give you this reference from First Strike:[/color]

[color=white]Dr. Halsey on page 245 of First Strike:

"Further blood test show his ( Johnson's ) system bearing traces of flood DNA- very much dead and noninfectious, but some gene fragments are intact."I beileve this is proof of a failed attempt to possess him ( because of the Borens syndrome ). It also appears to have imparted him with some curious regenerative abilities,"
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[color=aqua]Now, you might say, "This is pointless because the Flood DNA is dead." I would say, if the DNA is dead and noninfectious, what is giving Johnson the new regenerative process?
You might then respond with, "Yea idiot, the Flood DNA gave Johnson the new regenerative process, and then died... end of story." My response to this would be, to regenerate means to reform completly, or give/gain new life ( Webster's ). If the regenerative process is to refrom Johnson completly, then that means everything inside his body will gain, or be given, new live... this includes the Flood. The Flood have basically created a stale mate with Johnson's body untill a more suitable victim is found.[/color]

[color=red]ALSO[/color]

[color=aqua]A carrier form was needed to infect Johnson, but he couldn't be infected. He is basically the same as the carrier form. All the carrier form does is introduce the Flood genes/DNA to the victims body. Johnson can do this by accidentally introducing his blood to a cut/wound of another organism... think of a virus:)

If Johnson's regenerative process is completly reforming the Flood DNA/genes, then why isn't the part that infects the brain happening? My response to this is, it can't infect Johnson, in a tradition Flood way, because every time his body regenerates, his disease "Boren's Syndrome" is made potient again. Boren's Syndrome then neutralizes all the Flood genes, except for the ones that give Johnson the regenerative ability. The genes that give Johnson the regenerative ability give it to him again, and then it starts all over again. The Flood genes/DNA are at a stale mate with Johnson's body. They live, then die, and then repeat the process. It all comes to an end, atleast for some of the Flood DNA/genes, when Johnson's blood is introduced to another organism:) [/color]



[Edited on 7/4/2004 11:43:21 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 8:16 PM PDT
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I kinda believe your theory about hes a walking time bomb. That could be true and could be one of the twists in halo2.
-very smart theory Eagle 117.

  • 07.04.2004 8:36 PM PDT
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Genes cannot cause you to transform into a Flood unless your own are modified. Simply getting some guanine on you wouldn't do a thing... your own genes have to be reconfigured. Still, I get what you're saying - what you describe sounds more like the sentient virus in John Carpenter's The Thing (a great movie).

Anyways, I don't think Johnson will have to die, though it would make for a moving cinematic if he were to offer himself up to save the humans in Halo 2. After, all, the Flood were only a threat in Halo 1 because the Pillar of Autumn was disabled and the Covenant refused to fire on a holy relic (Halo). Otherwise, you can simply nuke the Flood to death.

  • 07.04.2004 8:36 PM PDT

Posted by:HalsysMJOLNIR
I kinda believe your theory about hes a walking time bomb. That could be true and could be one of the twists in halo2.
-very smart theory Eagle 117.


WOW, a B.net member who actually "partially" agrees with me.

Thanks:)

  • 07.04.2004 8:38 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

just a gene fragment wont do anything.it has to be a full DNA molecule and it has to get inside of a cell.

and nothing can really happen to Sgt. Johnson unless he has the Flood DNA sequence in his cells and is being produced by mitosis.

  • 07.04.2004 8:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Terran Grunt
Genes cannot cause you to transform into a Flood unless your own are modified. Simply getting some guanine on you wouldn't do a thing... your own genes have to be reconfigured.


I understand what you're saying; however, I must ask you this. If the Flood genes can't reconfigure the cellular stucture of organic life, then what gave Johnson the new regenerative ability? I give you this reference from First Strike:

[color=white]Dr. Halsey on page 245 of First Strike:

"Further blood test show his ( Johnson's ) system bearing traces of flood DNA- very much dead and noninfectious, but some gene fragments are intact."I beileve this is proof of a failed attempt to possess him ( because of the Borens syndrome ). It also appears to have imparted him with some curious regenerative abilities,"[/color]

  • 07.04.2004 8:46 PM PDT

[color=aqua]I'm sure you might say, "This is pointless because the Flood DNA is dead." I would say, if the DNA is dead and noninfectious, what is giving Johnson the new regenerative process?

You might respond to with, "Yea idiot, the Flood DNA gave Johnson the new regenerative process, and then died... end of story." My response to this would be, to regenerate means to reform completly, or give/gain new life ( Webster's ). If the regenerative process is to refrom Johnson completly, then that means everything inside his body will gain, or be given, new live... this includes the Flood. The Flood have basically created a stale mate with Johnson's body untill a more suitable victim is found.[/color]

[Edited on 7/4/2004 9:09:43 PM]

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I understand that! The Flood began to modify Johnson's genetic structure when it actually entered his body... but then it simply died. The DNA is kind of a residue it left behind...

BUT -

That's not my point. My point is that Johnson, although he may be carrying Flood DNA, has no way of infesting others. He simply carries the genes, there is no carrier virus or anything that could actually deliver the DNA into other organism - you're not going to become a Flood because you get some of his blood on you. DNA is just a sequence of chemicals, it is not alive and it couldn't do a thing without being delivered purposefully into the cells of another organism.

  • 07.04.2004 9:15 PM PDT
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But they were around a more suitable victim many times.

Inside the Pelican, then onboard the Longsword, then the Covie ship, then the rebel's space station, all over. Heck John-117 has to sleep and take off his helmet sometime and they could strike him then if they wanted to.

John actually could become a suicide bomber, running into a Covie ship or large group of Covies and blowing up a nuke on his back. Over and over and over. Of course that is unlikely.

  • 07.04.2004 9:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Terran Grunt
That's not my point. My point is that Johnson, although he may be carrying Flood DNA, has no way of infesting others. He simply carries the genes, there is no carrier virus or anything that could actually deliver the DNA into other organism - you're not going to become a Flood because you get some of his blood on you. DNA is just a sequence of chemicals, it is not alive and it couldn't do a thing without being delivered purposefully into the cells of another organism.


A carrier form was needed to infect Johnson, but he couldn't be infected. He has basically become the carrier form. All the carrier form does is introduce the Flood genes/DNA to the victims body. Johnson can do this by accidentally introducing his blood to a cut/wound of another organism... think of a virus:)

[Edited on 7/4/2004 9:59:01 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Nevan
But they were around a more suitable victim many times.


If this is in reference to the Flood genes/DNA inside Johnson, then this is my reply. The genes/DNA have no mind controll over Johnson. All that has to happen is simply Johnson's blood, which the Flood DNA/genes are in, getting into an open wound of another organism... again, think of a virus:)


[Edited on 7/4/2004 9:33:05 PM]

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Posted by: Eagle 117
A carrier form was needed to infect Johnson, but he couldn't be infected. He has basically become the carrier form. All the carrier form does is introduce the Flood genes/DNA to the victims body. Johnson's can do this by accidentally introducing his blood to a cut/wound of another organism... think of a virus:)


But what if it s not virus like? Say it is just a few flood cells, since they obviously have more DNA than a virus. Maybe he just has part of their DNA, like the part that keeps him coming back to life over and over, instead of the part that wants to infect other users. And if the current DNA does want to infect other people then as you know the thinking flood (which is absent in Sarge) take over the central nervous system. Thus implying that it is a possibility of the DNA spreading, but not doing harm and just giving more people regenerative abilities, like Johnson.

  • 07.04.2004 9:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Nevan
But what if it s not virus like? Say it is just a few flood cells, since they obviously have more DNA than a virus. Maybe he just has part of their DNA, like the part that keeps him coming back to life over and over, instead of the part that wants to infect other users. And if the current DNA does want to infect other people then as you know the thinking flood (which is absent in Sarge) take over the central nervous system. Thus implying that it is a possibility of the DNA spreading, but not doing harm and just giving more people regenerative abilities, like Johnson.


Again, and maybe you missed this in all the confussion, the regenerative process COMPLETLY reforms the organic material... basically giving Johnson and the Flood inside him new life:)

Your main point though is, if Johnson's regenerative process is completly reforming the Flood DNA/genes, then why isn't the part that infects the brain happening? My response to this is, it can't infect Johnson, in a tradition Flood way, because he has Boren's Syndrome. The Flood genes/DNA are at a stale mate with Johnson's body. They live, then die, and then repeat the process because of Johnson's regenerative skills, ( which is also recreated inside of him everytime he is COMPLETLY reformed ). It all comes to an end, atleast for some of the Flood DNA/genes, when Johnson's blood is introduced to another organism:)

[Edited on 7/4/2004 10:14:21 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 9:45 PM PDT
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i find your theory relavent and very clever(why u and not me?).
it makes total sense and i hope to see it put into H2's story line.

  • 07.04.2004 9:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Blade18
find your theory relavent and very clever(why u and not me?).
it makes total sense and i hope to see it put into H2's story line.




Thanks Blade18!

Oh yea, interesting name:)

  • 07.04.2004 9:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Posted by: Blade18
find your theory relavent and very clever(why u and not me?).
it makes total sense and i hope to see it put into H2's story line.




Thanks Blade18!

Oh yea, interesting name:)

it seems that tonight all i see are good ideas
Blade18 is a name i like and my lucky number.....thanx
I really do like your theory...........
Since Bungie reads all the posts u might see it in the game and ill know who thought of it first................... (Claps*)

[Edited on 7/4/2004 10:00:18 PM]

  • 07.04.2004 9:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Blade18
I really do like your theory...........
Since Bungie reads all the posts u might see it in the game and ill know who thought of it first................... (Claps*)


I really hope ( atleast 50% of me does ) that I'm wronge.

I want the storyline to be a complete shocker, and if this happens, I'll have ruined part of the plot for myself and many others:(

  • 07.04.2004 10:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Posted by: Blade18
I really do like your theory...........
Since Bungie reads all the posts u might see it in the game and ill know who thought of it first................... (Claps*)


I really hope ( atleast 50% of me does ) that I'm wronge.

I want the storyline to be a complete shocker, and if this happens, I'll have ruined part of the plot for myself and many others:(

I know for a fact its a shocker but the idea still works in a Dramatic sort of way

  • 07.04.2004 10:09 PM PDT
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Whatever the reason may be we can definately expect some major plot twists in H2

  • 07.04.2004 10:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Posted by: Blade18
I really do like your theory...........
Since Bungie reads all the posts u might see it in the game and ill know who thought of it first................... (Claps*)


I really hope ( atleast 50% of me does ) that I'm wronge.

I want the storyline to be a complete shocker, and if this happens, I'll have ruined part of the plot for myself and many others:(

i just love the way they are toying with our minds, making us paranoid until we eat, breathe, sleep, and drink ideas on h2 until 11/9 when we are shocked by the story and our brain fries until were halo zombies

  • 07.04.2004 10:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Blade18
i just love the way they are toying with our minds, making us paranoid until we eat, breathe, sleep, and drink ideas on h2 until 11/9 when we are shocked by the story and our brain fries until were halo zombies


You've got the right idea.

Welcome to the army:)

  • 07.04.2004 10:16 PM PDT
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Well this would explain Bungies world domination theory.

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best i can come up with.....johnson is my favorite marine i kill him every lvl and his regeneration power keeps him alive

  • 07.04.2004 10:18 PM PDT
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Man that sucks.

  • 07.04.2004 10:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Obca Lafumee
Man that sucks.

what?...he cant feel it

  • 07.04.2004 10:22 PM PDT

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