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Subject: Radar or -blam!-dar?
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Truefully I hate using the radar. A lot of people I play with whine and squaw when we set up a game without it. I think it just makes you better playing without it, and the faces of the people when you snipe them. I qoute this line I've heard said to me time and time again, "Were the blame did that come from!"

  • 04.23.2004 10:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Col Clinton
Truefully I hate using the radar. A lot of people I play with whine and squaw when we set up a game without it.

ye gave me a nice little chuckle. Thanks.
Anyway, if you're sniping then you should be far enough away where motion tracking isn't going to make a difference (after all, MT doesn't go out very far).

  • 04.23.2004 10:52 AM PDT
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I have to agree with those who do not like radar. Radar can take the life out of a match. In truth, there are not many suprises going on with radar. I know some people have responded that statement, but no responses have been able to prove the statement wrong. Also, radar does bring on camping, especially in CTF. People become so alerted with the radar that they begin to depend on it. This makes players less aware.

One on one matches are obsolutely changed with radar. If you have radar in a one on one match, you're likely going to be watching it the whole match. Some players use the radar to see someone else coming towards them, and then they'll camp in their current position to kill the passing player. To me, that is somewhat cowardly. Usually, these campers will get what's coming to them in the end because they stay in one spot for too long, and the opposing player will drill them with grenades or rockets.

In CTF, awareness is crucial. Also, I consider stealth to be a part of CTF. With radar, stealth is not so easy to accomplish. I prefer the feeling of unease, and knowing that the enemy could be sneaking into my base. Also, when I'm on offense, I love to sneak up behind people that are sniping on top of their own base, and whack the -blam!- out of them. With radar, that's not reasonably possible, unless that sniper is completely ignorant of the radar. CTF is quite a different game with radar on.

Most skilled players choose not to use radar, from my experiences. In my city, the hosts of LAN parties(including me) usually turn it off. I tend to go to about 3 LAN parties a week, so this is really saying something about overall preferance.

Lucky for us, and everyone that plays Halo, we have the option to turn radar on or off.

  • 04.23.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sledgefare
Also, radar does bring on camping, especially in CTF. People become so alerted with the radar that they begin to depend on it. This makes players less aware.


i don't think the level of camping in CTF is changed by whether or not the MT is on or off. people are going to stay and defend the base whether or not they can see you coming. and i fail to see how using the MT makes you less aware of what is going on in the game.

Some players use the radar to see someone else coming towards them, and then they'll camp in their current position to kill the passing player. Usually, these campers will get what's coming to them in the end because they stay in one spot for too long, and the opposing player will drill them with grenades or rockets.

again, you make it sound like people don't employ this strategy with the MT off. some people prefer the "lying in wait" playing style. good for them. like you said though, they get it in the end if they don't displace.

In CTF, awareness is crucial. Also, I consider stealth to be a part of CTF.

i agree. but again, how does having a MT at your disposal make you less aware? and stealth is a huge part of CTF. it's just up to the player to make certain he's taking the necessary precautions - moving slowly, making sure the coast is clear, etc. so then, the difference in assaulting a base in CTF with MT on vs. off is what? the defender can see you coming, right? tell me how that changes your strategy as the attacker. do you usually just run into the base haphazardly to grab the flag and run with the MT off? no, right? you make sure its clear inside before you commit. so why wouldn't you do that with the MT on? by the way, a person who is crouched behind a pillar defending his base is employing stealth.

Most skilled players choose not to use radar, from my experiences.

it is my experience that a skilled gamer who plays with the MT ON functions better in a no MT game, than a skilled gamer who plays with the MT OFF playing in a game that has the MT enabled. that leads me to believe that more skill is required to play with the MT ON. let's face it, not everyone can process all the data that's being thrown at them from the screen and the MT at the same time while in the middle of a heated exchange.

  • 04.23.2004 12:53 PM PDT
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Having the MT off gives a huge stealth advantage in CTF. Many players prefer to sneak through the caves in the BG to the enemies base without firing upon them. Then, the stealth player is free to do what they want in the enemies base without worrying about the other team seeing a giant red blob on their radar. I thought that was pretty straight forward. Also, some players like to sneak around the whole BG, and then enter the enemies base for a rear attack. Their stealth is blown right away if radar is on. Personally, I go on top of the enemies base and kill them all, then I take the flag, but my approach is completely based on stealth. It's not as intense if the enemy can see me on their radar when I'm 45 feet away from their base, and I also would have just wasted a lot of time sneaking to their base for my stealth to be blown by the radar. What a downer. It is also important to use this method on other maps.

Once again, radar will bring on camping. With or without the MT, I play active defense by defending my base area in movement. Why let the enemy get to your front door when you can kill them before they're even close? True, some players like to play defense by camping next to the flag, but usually they're newbies, and that strategy will fail time and time again.

People are less likely to camp if they know there is no advantage to it. What I mean is, in Slayer games, people will camp because the other team will not see the giant red blob on their radar. With the MT off, that player will not have the advantage of not being located. They're not being located in the first place.

Also, the MT makes players less aware because they become dependent on their radar. In other words, they pay less attention to what is directly in front of them. I wouldn't try to say that only some players do this because many players with radar will do this. I've seen it hundreds of times. When these players finally play a game the MT off, they'll get their asses kicked most of the time because they're not used to playing without knowing where their enemies are and where their enemies are coming from. A perfect example would be playing a match of CTF with radar off, after playing it with radar on. The team that usually uses radar will likely be unaware of these stealth attacks that I'm talking about. Just try it, I think you'll understand completely once you've tested this.

This is not to say that I won't play with radar, I just prefer it to be off.

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  • 04.23.2004 1:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sledgefare
Having the MT off gives a huge stealth advantage in CTF. I thought that was pretty straight forward. Their stealth is blown right away if radar is on.


i was never disputing that there is a huge stealth advantage with the MT off. i was trying to get the point across that stealth is possible with the MT on. most people just don't know how to keep off of an enemy's MT, as it seems is the case with yourself. as has been mentioned numerous times before, if you crouch walk, you will not appear on the MT. so, applying it to BG, get a teammate to drive you in the Hog to the other base and hop off at one of the ramps. crouch walk to the top, scope the area, clear it, grab and go. it's not that hard.

Once again, radar will bring on camping.

i've already explained why i disagree with this.

When these players finally play a game the MT off, they'll get their asses kicked most of the time because they're not used to playing without knowing where their enemies are and where their enemies are coming from. Just try it, I think you'll understand completely once you've tested this.

i have tried it, and i understand where you're coming from. but the fact is, i disagree. yes, it's a different game with the MT off, but like i was saying the person who is good with the MT on is going to make a bigger impact in a game with the MT off, than a person that's good with the MT off playing in a game with the MT on. simply put, it's easier to play without the MT. you have much less to think about. you say by putting someone used to playing with the MT on into a game with it off will result in them getting their @ss kicked. that may or may not be, but that person will be able to adapt quicker than if the situation were reversed.

  • 04.23.2004 2:31 PM PDT
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is this post still kicking around, its like 6 hours old

  • 04.23.2004 2:36 PM PDT
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I like to play my multiplayer games without raydar, but for single player it comes in quite handy.

  • 04.23.2004 2:42 PM PDT
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radar isnt realistic, but halo isnt real either so therefore its ok to have radar.

  • 04.23.2004 2:44 PM PDT
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one more point ITS NOT RADAR! read my post earlier for how it IS realistic

  • 04.23.2004 2:45 PM PDT
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if you crouch walk, you will not appear on the MT.

Really? Haha, oh yeah, I knew that over 2 years ago.

Whose going to crouch walk into an enemies base? You'll get destroyed in a heartbeat. Let's be reasonable, a crouch walking enemy is an easy target.

i've already explained why i disagree with this.

Yes, but I'm explaining why I disagree with you, and your point has not convinced me.

It's much easier to play with radar. You know where everyone is with radar. We'll play sometime, I'll show you a few differences.

Be back later for more on this because I could write a book about this issue. Hell, I just might do that.


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  • 04.23.2004 2:49 PM PDT
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I like for people to come for me . they cant see me when i dont move. then wen they pass ya, pop em in the head and taunt the hell out of them. hehehe

  • 04.23.2004 3:05 PM PDT
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Personally i dislike having radar. It's a crutch. I guess it doesn't really matter if your a decent sniper, you shoot across the map anyway and MT don't reach that far

  • 04.23.2004 3:16 PM PDT

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