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Subject: Human Pistol + Assault Rifle = Battle Rifle(Replacement of them both)
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Posted by: Fatalsnipe9
i think ur right ppl are taking about a different pistol in halo 2 but who would use it over the BR


I would use it over the battle rifle.

  • 07.05.2004 7:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Look in the FAQ at this site! The Battle Rifle is a evolved version of the old MA5B (look in the books the spartans were using that in 2525).


Ok thanks for reminding me. So I was right that the BR replaces the AR(evolving wise), and since they added a scope and better accuracy, and phasing out the pistol by removing its scope and power, one must assume that it replaces the need for the pistol due to its changing into what I said earlier, "a whole other different pistol". Not saying there wont be a pistol. And Im not believing that the smg's have anything to do with it dual wielding or not.

  • 07.05.2004 7:23 PM PDT

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the magnum pistol fires a slug and the shotgun fires a spread shot there entirely different but the shotgun should be stronger but with the pistol u should have a bit more range

  • 07.05.2004 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: tex mex matt
the magnum pistol fires a slug and the shotgun fires a spread shot there entirely different but the shotgun should be stronger but with the pistol u should have a bit more range


Thank you for your opinion but we are not talking about anything about the shot gun. Look at the Topic Subject.

  • 07.05.2004 7:26 PM PDT

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someone earlier was wondering about it i was just pointing something out

  • 07.05.2004 7:27 PM PDT
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ok but they shouldnt of even did that. anyhoot

  • 07.05.2004 7:29 PM PDT
Subject: Human Pistol + Assault Rifle = Battle Rifle(Replacement of them both)
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if you read the last book in the halo sarga so far they talk about the new weapons but the don't name them the pistel is a lot bigger and has heavier bullets and is perfectly balnced and the rifle has the scope and has a smaller clip size and thats all they have side in the book so far but the weapons sound cool

  • 07.05.2004 8:03 PM PDT
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Good theory, The MA5B and the M6D were my favorite weapons. Which would probably mean that the battle rifle will be my favorite gun.

  • 07.05.2004 8:09 PM PDT
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Bump due to talk about the BR.

  • 07.05.2004 8:18 PM PDT
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dont bump (mods plz leave this thread alone unless he repeatedly does it). The real world Assault Rifles are more like the Battle Rifle anyway. The first ARs in WWII were a mix of the SMGs and the single shot bolt action rifles. And then the M16 is probably the most well known and most used rifle in the modern world and guess what it fires 3 shot burst and can single fire for increased range and sniping with optional scopes so in this sense the BR is alot like the M16.

  • 07.05.2004 9:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
dont bump (mods plz leave this thread alone unless he repeatedly does it). The real world Assault Rifles are more like the Battle Rifle anyway. The first ARs in WWII were a mix of the SMGs and the single shot bolt action rifles. And then the M16 is probably the most well known and most used rifle in the modern world and guess what it fires 3 shot burst and can single fire for increased range and sniping with optional scopes so in this sense the BR is alot like the M16.


You don't tell me what to and what not to do

[Edited on 7/5/2004 9:11:30 PM]

  • 07.05.2004 9:05 PM PDT
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Dude dont take it personal if you want this thread to continue then dont bump I just saying read the rules before you do stuff like that there enough of that let's get back on subject.

  • 07.05.2004 9:07 PM PDT
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Dont like it tuff one bump isnt gonna kill ya and besides i bumped because some new ppl decided to talk about the BR and didnt realized it was down further being discussed so I did you a favor!

  • 07.05.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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cheap weapons

There are no cheap weapons. They are just usually better weapons. At least on HALO.

  • 07.05.2004 9:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
dont bump (mods plz leave this thread alone unless he repeatedly does it). The real world Assault Rifles are more like the Battle Rifle anyway. The first ARs in WWII were a mix of the SMGs and the single shot bolt action rifles. And then the M16 is probably the most well known and most used rifle in the modern world and guess what it fires 3 shot burst and can single fire for increased range and sniping with optional scopes so in this sense the BR is alot like the M16.


Good point.

  • 07.05.2004 9:17 PM PDT
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Well technically speaking the BR is more like the L85A1 the bullpub assualt rifle of the SAS but thx summoner

  • 07.05.2004 9:38 PM PDT
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Pistol replaces BR....SMG replaces AR

  • 07.05.2004 10:28 PM PDT
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I leave home for a few hours and look what happens. This won't take long.

Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The Battle Rifle is a enhanced AR and dont even try to put spin on it's logistics it's a freaking game. How do you explain the new SMG the new tracking on the rocket launcher the ATVs and gauss hogs let alone the covenant adding a whole new race to it's fold along with atleast three new weapons a whole new dropship a shadow a creep and new boosting technology in a few months not realistic is it?


The Battle Rifle is a prototype in design for a hopeful replacement of the MA5B in the coming years of the war, not the replacement within a matter of weeks and I will put whatever spin on logistics I want, so try and stop me. I can explain the new Sub Machine Gun, it is called another prototype, just like the Battle Rifle. This was explained in First Strike.

Tracking has always been on the rocket launchers, at least on the Jackhammers. The Jackhammer is another weapon from the books (mainly in The Fall of Reach). Also it isn't that hard to produce only new munitions in a weapon that probably meant to track its targets anyways. It is a much different story to replace an entire firearm and its munitions.

The ATVs may not be as common as you might think, hell for all we know the UNSC may have kept those suckers around and were never mentioned in the books. The gauss gun can be easilly added becaseu fot he modular type of platform the Warthog is. Besides who said that the Gauss gun would replace everything? Hell it may also already had been in production long before Reach, just never really used because it was so expensive. Which leads me to believe that the Gauss gun will be more rare.

Plus the Covenant have been quite quiet on their different races up until 2552. From Feb. 2525 till June of 2552 we only fought Grunts and Jackals. It wasn't until July 2552 that we even ran across our first Hunter or our first encounter with an Engineer. Then the first time we saw an Elite was on August 30th, 2552, which is when Reach was attacked. Meaning technically the second time we fought Elites was at Halo, whcih was just a scant two weeks after Reach was attacked. And Brutes were first encounter on the Unyielding Heirophant. They easily could have been around for hundreds of years. All the Covenant are doing right now is "pulling back the stops" on their warrior caste.

Also what three new weapons? The Covenant lose 500 ships, a space station along with them, multiple Forerunner artifacts (the bigest of which is Halo and that weird crystal thingy), also an entire armada at Halo, dozens if not a hudred ships at Reach and the Prophet of High Truth declares it a minor set back! They have the capability to mass produce things up the ass, unlike us right now in 2552. Also how do we know that the Carbine, Slug Launcher and this other weapon you are referring to wasn't already around? Hell they could be old weapons reserved for specialty units that are now just being distributed.

Plus the new dropship could have already been around, just never used. Actually there was a mention of a ship on Sigma Octanus IV that was very similar to the Phantom in description. Larger ships that the Chief didn't recognize. These ships past over him and the Spartans as they crawled through the mud. Sam excuse goes out for the Creep, heck it may also not be used all that much in combat.

And the boost, the Covenant are already light years ahead of us, why can't they make a minor adjustment with their super technological race? I mean they are able to do it with their facilities. Not to mention the ships coming after us are on " The Great Journey " and that sounds to me like they get all the " special toys. " You might also bring up the point about the Needler being quicker in fire rate. Well that is possible to do. A minor adjustment like that to a weapon in the game is possible. Besides in the books it seemed like those hings fired that fast anyways.

We are losing this war, our production facilities are limited with Reach gone and we won't have as many of the new guns as you saw in the E3 demos. It is just not possible to have all MA5Bs and M6Ds just disappear from the face of the UNSC. Bungie knows this and won't -blam!- up.

All of that is pretty realistic. You just don't see it.

Also why the hell would you want less guns? Really? Explain that one. The more the merrier.

  • 07.05.2004 10:30 PM PDT
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It's not less guns that makes little sense why would the MA5B return to Halo 2? It's old (the chief and fellow spartans were using it in 2525!) and the Battle Rifle is more than a prototype a prototype is something not used on the battlefield until it's ready to be distrubuted. Also you seem to be quite sure that the Bungie hasn't said anything about the MA5B being replaced but you are very wrong. Look in the FAQ it descripes the Battle Rifle as a evolved assault rifle and in First Strike it descripes it as a NEW version of the AR countless magazines it descripes it that way. In your sig about the old guns being made more nuanced that doesn't mean there coming back the same it means there will be changes to the existing arsenal it doesn't mean less guns the AR and Pistol arn't just going away there coming back just they look a little different MA5B=Battle Rifle M6D pistol=Magnum Pistol.

  • 07.05.2004 11:48 PM PDT
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I thought bungie divided the AR into 2 guns, the SMG and the BR. The AR was "too much" of an all-rounder. So they made an accurate gun and a fast firing gun.

  • 07.06.2004 12:00 AM PDT
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Not really dude Solothurn if you have seen the E3 2004 video youd seen that you have no accuracy in tree burst mode wen the guy played the game scopin the riffle would take 3 sots to take out one wing of the gost but in tree burst mode he had to scope the riffle to take the wing down

  • 07.06.2004 12:07 AM PDT
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ok the BR if you have seen the vids is stronger than the AR but weaker than the pistol but shoots faster than the pistol but slower than the assault rifle bungie wanted to BALANCE things out the SMG if you havew noticed in the demonstrations has the same reticule, rate of fire, rounds per clip, and accuracy and from a logical guess it does the same damage as the assault rifle

but all they did was change it so its one handed it is the one handed AR

  • 07.06.2004 12:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
It's not less guns that makes little sense why would the MA5B return to Halo 2? It's old (the chief and fellow spartans were using it in 2525!) and the Battle Rifle is more than a prototype a prototype is something not used on the battlefield until it's ready to be distrubuted. Also you seem to be quite sure that the Bungie hasn't said anything about the MA5B being replaced but you are very wrong. Look in the FAQ it descripes the Battle Rifle as a evolved assault rifle and in First Strike it descripes it as a NEW version of the AR countless magazines it descripes it that way. In your sig about the old guns being made more nuanced that doesn't mean there coming back the same it means there will be changes to the existing arsenal it doesn't mean less guns the AR and Pistol arn't just going away there coming back just they look a little different MA5B=Battle Rifle M6D pistol=Magnum Pistol.


Firt off Robert Mclees, our weapons man, loves guns. He loves guns a lot! So he is making many more, as mentioned in one weekly update a few months back. And yes it was a prototype, the damn weapons only arrived on Reach for field testing around the time the abse was hit.

And Yes I am very right, there is a difference between an evolved weapon and a replaced weapon. Besides I have read the FGAQ mulitple times, you aren't telling me anything new. An evolved weapon can simply mean a changed caliber and maybe an added scope. That is evolved. A replaced weapon is when you take an old gun and just throw it away and put a new gun in its place. That is replacing. And so what if the gun is old? More the reason it'll stick around. I mean for crying out loud how many times have I said the logic from a military and storyline stand point? Too many!

And First Strike calls it an upgrade of the MA5B, not a replacement. It is still a prototype that hasn't even gone an actual field test....save the times when the Spartans used it. And magazines can be full of -blam!-. In every magazine that has said the BR or SMG replaced anything they always added this disclaimer, " But this is not a final mold of the game and many elements have been left out. Things are bound to change Bungie tells us. So what we've seen is not final. " Also all the different magazines have been pretty far off when ever they quote the books or the game itself which lowers my trust in their abilities to know wtf they are talking about.

You can't change my mind about this, so don't even bother. Unless I hear the words from Bungie " The Battle Rifle is the official replacement to the MA5B and M6D., " don't ever count on me believing your little theory. Ever.

  • 07.06.2004 9:37 AM PDT
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We will see then Novemeber 9th and we will look for this thread and trash talk depending on who was right. Also it's nice to discuss Halo with someone who obviously takes it seriously and not some forum *ahem* noob and I respect your opinion although I disagree with it.

  • 07.06.2004 10:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Solothurn
I dont think the SMG was a replacement for anything, that it was just a new toy. I do see the similarity between the AR and the SMG. But one is a rifle while the other is a sub-machine gun. cant replace on another. SO IM RIGHT!
dude, youre wrong. the AR is a fully automatic weapon with a large clip size poor accuracy, and a weak shot. the SMG is a fully automatic weapon with a large clip size poor accuracy, and a weak shot.

  • 07.06.2004 12:08 PM PDT

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