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....... Wow.......

How long did that take...

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....... Wow.......

How long did that take...
Enough time to add a little intelligence.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: elmicker
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In a forum with less noise, these threads can remain on the front page of the forum for longer.

Yes, but creating a new, exclusive forum doesnt actually solve any problems for the users complaining of noise. The problems are still there. All you're doing is creating a new, redundant, forum where you can exercise a greater level of control. If you honestly think that kind of exclusive control would be beneficial to discussion, why don't you exercise it over the H3f as the default position?
But, what are the problems that would remain? Fewer repeat topics, fewer new threads in general (look at the Halo 3 Forum's front page right now and tell me how many new threads you see created by users with elevated member titles. For me, at current, the answer is zero), and fewer topics asking questions that are easily answered by users who have been around awhile and know where to find the answers rather than resorting to the "lazy man's way out" of asking a simple question in the forums. I don't see what other problems would remain.

The reasons to not do this with the Halo 3 Forum are that it is great to have a place for new users to interact, get their feet wet, and talk about a game that they really love. The Halo 3 Forum's users are not necessarily all children or idiots -- many of them are just new to the website and want to talk about Halo 3, but have not yet been around long enough to figure out little things like the search feature, the Bungie Blog or news posts, the varying forums meant for different types of topics, or some of the forum rules. They should still have a place where they can ask their simple questions, conduct their surveys, and talk about their quest for 1000 mongoose kills.

My own opinion is that there would be a significant migration to such a new forum...
And i'd say you're wrong. People who can be bothered jumping through hoops to get into exclusive forums are already in places where intelligent discussion can happen. They're all goons or gafers or hbo regulars already. Why would they come back here? There's nothing here those places don't have. Hell, they've even got bungie employees.
A very good point, but there are plenty of members willing to do so who have decided to make Bungie.net their home. I have accounts on HBO and NeoGAF, but rarely post there. I rarely even visit those forums. There are many users here like this. To say that there is already another external website where people can go for great discussion does not really provide a reason that this website should not have a similar area, in my opinion.

Besides, I don't really see it as "jumping through hoops." It might take time and activity, but it doesn't really take any affirmative "steps" or "process." Taking some time to get to the point where you can actually post in -- rather than merely read -- the forum is not the same as being "time-consuming," if you get my drift. A user who has a reasonable level of activity here and abides by the forum rules would reach the point of having an elevated title regardless, without having to take extra steps. Users who might potentially good posters, but have not yet demonstrated familiarity with the site and its rules would simply have to be here for a while longer and actually demonstrate these traits before being allowed to post in the forum.

...This could only be a good thing for Bungie and Bungie.net as a whole.
Assuming they'd post here. B.net isn't exactly the Ritz of the internet forum world. As i said earlier, those bungie employees so inclined to make themselves known as such on public forums tend to be goons and gafers. Goons and gafers hate b.net. Why would they post here?
Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."

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Foman..it's as if you've been grid-linking with every user here on this site, and bringing everyone's thoughts and feelings on the matter together into your posts.

Sorta like this actually.

Very well put. On all sides of the argument.

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Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

As an aside, there isn't really a reason for 'veteran' members of the community to enter the H3F other than to mock, flame or troll. What little literary, filmic or other value in H3 was milked long ago, and most of the members there aren't really interested in symbolism, relation to structure and other things. Basically, it's New Mombasa with more posters.

Basically, under your system a ban would have more of an impact as it would imply having no access to a 'better' forum for several weeks/months after the ban.

Bleh, sleep, can't be bothered to go into this.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."


So why take steps back if we have already came thus far. I know I want to work together as a community to prosper in the future, not to dwell on the past.

That is like constructing a building with faulty wiring in the walls. Then the building burns down, and they build it the same way with faulty wiring again.

And Foman wow... great read... like usual.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

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Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."
So why take steps back if we have already came thus far. I know I want to work together as a community to prosper in the future, not to dwell on the past.

That is like constructing a building with faulty wiring in the walls. Then the building burns down, and they build it the same way with faulty wiring again.

And Foman wow... great read... like usual.
I'm not following your analogy. Creation of a new forum with radically different posting restrictions from any current public forum would not be like this at all. This forum would be all about incentivizing newer members to follow forum rules and remain active -- not to become robotic Bungie-fan automatons. Look around this forum; there are plenty of Heroic, Legendary and Mythic members who are quite capable of stating their own opinions, which can be very different from other people's or Bungie's opinions, while still remaining within the forum rules.

I think that encouraging more members to act this way would be a step towards prospering in the future.

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Like usual? He could've edited it so much better. ¬_¬

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Posted by: ArchAssain
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Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."


So why take steps back if we have already came thus far. I know I want to work together as a community to prosper in the future, not to dwell on the past.

That is like constructing a building with faulty wiring in the walls. Then the building burns down, and they build it the same way with faulty wiring again.

And Foman wow... great read... like usual.


The problem is is that there are too many higher ranked members that do not care what happens to the site as long as they get to feel special about themselves.

We need the community to come together as a whole, but without the help of those that seem to know the most about making a great community this place is just going to continually spiral down into chaos until it is no more.

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But, what are the problems that would remain?...

Well the H3f forum would still be there, with exactly the same conditions as it has now. You made quite a song and dance of how little content there is contributed by higher-ranked members. So, if the higher ranked members are shifted elsewhere, nothing will actually change in H3f. It'll still be a hellhole of -blam!- and spam. That's a quality resource for new members, that is.

...To say that there is already another external website where people can go for great discussion does not really provide a reason that this website should not have a similar area, in my opinion.
That's because that's not what i said. I said it'd be an underused forum because people who want intelligent discussion have already left and gone elsewhere. You'd have to develop an entirely new class of b.net users to populate it, and you'd be developing them in an unchaged environment. It's a concept doomed from the outset.

Besides, I don't really see it as "jumping through hoops."
It's a barrier to entry, it's an obstacle, it's a hoop, they all mean the same thing. Differentiating on the specifics is mere pedantry.

Users who might potentially good posters, but have not yet demonstrated familiarity with the site and its rules would simply have to be here for a while longer and actually demonstrate these traits before being allowed to post in the forum.
I more than support this sentiment, but taking it to a private, exclusive environment will do nothing for those users. People who it's targeted at already have superior alternatives and those who remain aren't exactly stellar discussion buddies.

Your entire analysis of the problem perplexes me. You state the problems as too many new members making repeat topics, so the solution is to shift everyone worthwhile to a seperate forum. It's completely backward.

Far superior solution in every respect would be to simply extend the "No posting topics for 24hrs" rule to "No posting topics until you're heroic" in busy forums. Far more transparant, leaves out the elitism and the ivory tower nature inherent to the private forum concept, actually improves on a current forum and attempts to solve some of its problems. At least try and save what we've got before abandoning it for Oldsville.



"If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."
It's already been built and they've already left.

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Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."
So why take steps back if we have already came thus far. I know I want to work together as a community to prosper in the future, not to dwell on the past.

That is like constructing a building with faulty wiring in the walls. Then the building burns down, and they build it the same way with faulty wiring again.

And Foman wow... great read... like usual.
I'm not following your analogy. Creation of a new forum with radically different posting requirements from any current public forum would not be like this at all. This forum would be all about incentivizing newer members to follow forum rules and remain active -- not to become robotic Bungie-fan automatons. Look around this forum -- there are plenty of Legendary and Mythic members who are quite capable of stating their own opinions, which can be very different from other people's opinions, while still remaining within the forum rules.

I think that encouraging more members to act this way would be a step towards prospering in the future.


Hmmm well I see your point now, and a good one it is. So basically your saying you must come to this (new forum) with all the intentions to prosper and contribute only with positive ideas and inquiries. Using proper English grammar, spelling and constructive sentences?

With this in place I do see many more new(er) members looking up to Mythic and or Legendary. It is a great idea. It is the way it should be. They are Mythic and Legendary for a reason.

Sorry about my last post I was still grasping my mind over all that reading I did before. I was semi confused.

Learn from the past, work in the present as one, to create a better future. As we are doing now in this thread.

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Agreed, but again, why not take steps to improve this place? As the old cliche goes, "If you build it, he [or they, in this case] will come."
So why take steps back if we have already came thus far. I know I want to work together as a community to prosper in the future, not to dwell on the past.

That is like constructing a building with faulty wiring in the walls. Then the building burns down, and they build it the same way with faulty wiring again.

And Foman wow... great read... like usual.
I'm not following your analogy. Creation of a new forum with radically different posting requirements from any current public forum would not be like this at all. This forum would be all about incentivizing newer members to follow forum rules and remain active -- not to become robotic Bungie-fan automatons. Look around this forum -- there are plenty of Legendary and Mythic members who are quite capable of stating their own opinions, which can be very different from other people's opinions, while still remaining within the forum rules.

I think that encouraging more members to act this way would be a step towards prospering in the future.


Hmmm well I see your point now, and a good one it is. So basically your saying you must come to this (new forum) with all the intentions to prosper and contribute only with positive ideas and inquiries. Using proper English grammar, spelling and constructive sentences?

With this in place I do see many more new(er) members looking up to Mythic and or Legendary. It is a great idea. It is the way it should be. They are Mythic and Legendary for a reason.

Sorry about my last post I was still grasping my mind over all that reading I did before. I was semi confused.

Learn from the past, work in the present as one, to create a better future. As we are doing now in this thread.


Just because they have a higher title than someone else does not mean that they are more constructive. This is a terrible idea. It should be based on a different aspect of a users profile.

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Just because they have a higher title than someone else does not mean that they are more constructive. This is a terrible idea. It should be based on a different aspect of a users profile.


Well that is for a member to decide, but in reality they will still look up to them. Besides most Mythic and Legendary members keep their title by contributing in a positive manner and being constructive. So I don't see where you get a horrible idea from?

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...To say that there is already another external website where people can go for great discussion does not really provide a reason that this website should not have a similar area, in my opinion.

That's because that's not what i said. I said it'd be an underused forum because people who want intelligent discussion have already left and gone elsewhere. You'd have to develop an entirely new class of b.net users to populate it, and you'd be developing them in an unchaged environment. It's a concept doomed from the outset.


I don't really think that's fair. It's a pretty general thing to say that everyone willing to talk in such an environment has already left. Besides, this type of forum would be another benchmark for users to reach, and there's nothing someone on the internet wants more than an objective. People made the argument that Member Titles would create more problems than good, but I disagree. They provided an incentive for users to follow the rules or participate more, whether or not it was intended, and that far outweighed the users who made complaint threads about their title or other such cons.

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You may remember conversations I've had about the problem of "signal" vs "noise" in large forums. Giving a user the tools they need to filter out the content they don't want is definately one of those long term goals that would be part of any conversation on this kind of work (as well as things like group discovery and group tools).

At the same time, though, that doesn't help the new users who just drop in because they see a message of the day in one of our games... lowering the barrier of entry for community participation, while also allowing advanced users the right tools, is a big goal for community development, and a problem I think about quite a lot.
I am very clear with your Signal vs. Noise argument, and that is essentially the driving force behind allowing people to block users. If every individual is given the possibility to adjust Bungie.net to their own signal settings, it would make this a lot more friendly and clean place. Flaming, Trolling, and abuse commonly spawns from dislike towards other users, which in such case is 100% preventable with the proper features.

As for the new users who are prompted to visit by an in-game message, they are given the privilege and opportunity to change their Bungie.net "experience" immediately after joining. These tools would allow them to become much more engaged, and preserve an overall positive atmospere here.

Granted I know you guys are working on several projects at the moment, but this really would be a great feature to throw into our toolbox. Once you deal with the priorities and preferences, this deserves some time devoted to it.

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It's a pretty general thing to say that everyone willing to talk in such an environment has already left.

I'm a pretty general guy. Though, that's not what i said.

Besides, this type of forum would be another benchmark for users to reach...
Benchmarks do nothing. People really don't care what b.net thinks of them. Systems like the titles or exclusive forums are only incentives to those who already give a toss. It's preaching to the choir, if you will. If you want incentives, not just benchmarks, you need to start with something basic. NeoGAF uses a 3 month+ account authorization period, SA uses a $10 registration fee. If you make the incentive something beyond basic usage, people just won't give a toss. Basic is always good enough for the majority of users, especially when the majority only have access to the basic.

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1) There are hundreds of thousands of users on this site. How on earth would you block all of the bad ones? I can sit here banning people for 6 hours a day for seven days in a row from all of the public forums. I walk away, come back one hour later, and will STILL find posts that I don't want to see. The "mute" or "block" option would take extreme dedication to be effective -- dedication that no user on this site should have to put in.

2) Many people would never use it. Moderators certainly wouldn't. Neither would any other member who knows that sometimes, the same person can make great posts one day and break the rules another day. Neither would any member who wants to be able to follow the thread of discussion. Neither would the "casual" user who only hops onto Bungie.net once or twice a week, or even more infrequently. Yet all of these people are those who could potentially benefit from a forum culture of reduced "noise" and spam. This is why a "restricted access" forum is a superior approach.
I know that there are thousands upon thousands of users on this site, and I (nor would anyone else) go through the effort of scanning and searching for every bad user they can ignore. But that is not where I see its use. This would only be a tool used for somebody who chronically harasses you, or you simply see a negative pattern in their posting trends. Any smart person wouldn't rampage the forums blocking every user they see, solely because that is just plain stupid.



Secondly, I disagree. It has the potential to be a very popular feature. Moderators wouldn't use it for obvious reasons, but they make up an extremely small margin of Bungie.nets population. The member who is conscience of good and bad posting people wouldn't use it, because they wouldn't identify a chronic bad pattern. Neither would the people who rarely access the site, or only check stats, or only do etc. The list goes on.

However, the people who would use it are people who have no trouble identifying a bad person from a good, and can spot when one doesn't have morals or common sense. They would gladly accept this as a feature to mute noise. A good majority of individuals on this site are perfectly capable of having said ability, so it is a perfectly viable solution.

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I would love to see the (eventual) creation of a forum like this. Trying to find a post in the Halo 3 forum that doesn't contain a pre-discovered or non-existant easter egg, the supposed secret of Sandtrap (and Epitaph, even though those have finally settled down), and Recon armor (especially with the new way to unlock it) is near impossible. They multiply faster than rabbits. I have practically given up on constructing a thread there, as it is filled with trolls, spammers, and everything in between. That being said, even Optimatch can travel down the same path every now and again. People who actually spend time on B-net, make intelligent posts, and follow the rules deserve to be actually able to voice there opinions and converse without searching through 10 pages of posts to find one that is worth their time.

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But, what are the problems that would remain?...

Well the H3f forum would still be there, with exactly the same conditions as it has now. You made quite a song and dance of how little content there is contributed by higher-ranked members. So, if the higher ranked members are shifted elsewhere, nothing will actually change in H3f. It'll still be a hellhole of -blam!- and spam. That's a quality resource for new members, that is.
But this ignores the post of yours that I was responding to. I was asking what problems would remain in response to your post that "creating a new, exclusive forum doesnt actually solve any problems for the users complaining of noise." The users complaining of noise, especially in this forum, tend to be those users with elevated member titles. Moreover, any user who is a "Member" without an elevated member title would still be able to observe the good discussion in a restricted-posting forum. To me, a new forum with less noise, by definition, solves the problems of users complaining of noise.

The Halo 3 Forum would still be a hellhole of spam and repeat topics, but that's unlikely to change no matter what we do, unless we refuse to allow newer members to create new threads, which is really not a terrible idea.

...To say that there is already another external website where people can go for great discussion does not really provide a reason that this website should not have a similar area, in my opinion.
That's because that's not what i said. I said it'd be an underused forum because people who want intelligent discussion have already left and gone elsewhere. You'd have to develop an entirely new class of b.net users to populate it, and you'd be developing them in an unchaged environment. It's a concept doomed from the outset.
That really seems to be kind of a dig at everybody who uses BNet as their primary place to discuss Bungie and/or Halo. I would strongly disagree with this. Certainly, some users use other sites instead, but observation of several of the Optimatch Forum's popular threads, as well as the Halo- and Bungie- related private groups here on BNet, confirms that plenty of intelligent, well-spoken members remain here on Bungie.net. To say that all intelligent users have left Bungie.net pays all of these people a rather disingenuous insult. Besides, why not entice the users who have left with a forum that might make them want to come back?

Users who might potentially good posters, but have not yet demonstrated familiarity with the site and its rules would simply have to be here for a while longer and actually demonstrate these traits before being allowed to post in the forum.
I more than support this sentiment, but taking it to a private, exclusive environment will do nothing for those users. People who it's targeted at already have superior alternatives and those who remain aren't exactly stellar discussion buddies.

Your entire analysis of the problem perplexes me. You state the problems as too many new members making repeat topics, so the solution is to shift everyone worthwhile to a seperate forum. It's completely backward.

Far superior solution in every respect would be to simply extend the "No posting topics for 24hrs" rule to "No posting topics until you're heroic" in busy forums. Far more transparant, leaves out the elitism and the ivory tower nature inherent to the private forum concept, actually improves on a current forum and attempts to solve some of its problems. At least try and save what we've got before abandoning it for Oldsville.
Frankly, I see your alternative solution as being equally effective, but inferior to the restricted-posting forum idea for a couple of reasons. I like the suggestion, but due to the nature of many of the users who come here, I foresee two problems.

First, users are impatient, and despite urging from admins, moderators, and frustrated veteran members all over the place, users continue to create new threads even when the answers to their questions are easily found using the search feature, scanning the forums, or, for the love of God, looking at the website's front page news story. Stop these users from creating new threads, and they won't stop asking their repeat questions -- instead, they will begin hijacking other people's threads. Currently, the Halo 3 Forum's setup is at least rather simple to moderate when I'm in a rush because I usually know whether a thread will need to be locked before I even enter the thread.

Prevention of creating new threads would mean that threads would need to be continuously scanned for off-topic posts or attempted thread hijacking, and instances of such behavior would, in my opinion, increase.

Second, if you stopped regular "Members" from posting at all, it would drive new members away from this community and, moreover, make it impossible for users to ever reach "Heroic" member unless the current system of rating user trust were to be changed. Bungie.net should be a place where even the most casual Bungie fan or site visitor can, if they want to, interact. Creation of a new forum where posts by users are restricted to those users who have a demonstrated history of activity, length-of-membership, and rule-following does not stop such interaction.

It's funny -- you first claimed that such a forum would be "redundant" and that nothing would change. But now, you claim a detriment to the Halo 3 Forum as members with higher titles are "shifted" to the new forum. Regardless, though, I don't think that either effect would result. As I pointed out before, "everyone worthwhile" would not necessarily be "shifted" to the new forum. I think that the Halo 3 Forum would still be a place for simple Halo 3 topics, and for veteran members to swing by and help out by answering new users' questions and participating in interesting threads -- a role that they almost ALWAYS fulfill anyway, as new threads by Heroic-or-higher members are exceedingly rare in the Halo 3 Forum and, regardless of the reasons, many members with elevated titles have outright stated that they don't even go there anymore.

I also think that improvement in the Halo 3 Forum would result as regular members would see the restricted-posting forum, be able to view every topic in there, see the intelligence and quality of the topics there, want to post there, and thus emulate the posting style of these forums. Regardless, it's hard to argue that the forum would get any worse -- the new bad topics in the Halo 3 Forum are already created by regular members. Giving Heroic-and-above members a quieter environment in which to post and interact, while still allowing viewing access to all members and non-members, would certainly not cause an increase in bad threads in the Halo 3 Forum.


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And at that... most of the 50's you meet... well, total jerks, I'd prefer not to read some of the stuff they could post.



I personally think its really sad that thats the only thing people can really say about us. (which for the most part I agree on) It just shows what things as simple as this make people think they are better than one another.

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Posted by: Yoozel

And at that... most of the 50's you meet... well, total jerks, I'd prefer not to read some of the stuff they could post.



I personally think its really sad that thats the only thing people can really say about us. (which for the most part I agree on) It just shows what things as simple as this make people think they are better than one another.

I don't understand your logic. You were offended by Yoozel's assertion that most 50's are jerks, and then you agree with him. It is impossible that you don't understand the fact that he was making a generalization, and not a personal attack on any individual, because you said, "I agree for the most part."

If you agree for the most part, how can you take offense to a generalization? It's not your fault if other level 50's are jerks, and you're acting as if his disapproval of them somehow spreads over to you. I just don't understand.

I am further perplexed at the insinuation that Yoozel somehow thinks he is 'better' than someone else, if I'm interpreting your post correctly. He never made a direct comparison of his character with anyone else's, and expressing thoughts on level 50's is not egotistical at all.

Maybe you just misinterpreted the context of his post. He was not talking about you, unless you are a jerk, which you seem not to be.

[Edited on 12.07.2008 8:43 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2008 8:43 PM PDT

Failure is always an option.

Look at all the orange

[Edited on 12.07.2008 9:03 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2008 9:02 PM PDT

I think the idea of "matchmaking" certain users of the forum together would be a pretty cool idea. However. I think it would take a lot of work on Bungie's end to make that happen.

[Edited on 12.07.2008 9:20 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2008 9:15 PM PDT