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Subject: Super Secret Forum?

Freedom has two parts: potential and resolution; as metaphors have two parts : form and interpretation; of course, the two are intertwined. Metaphor lines the road to freedom, as symbols and words are the bricks and mortar of meaning. Freedom being the briocoleus, the mason.
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Your idea sounds feasible, although I ask, how would you go about gaining access to such a forum? Would it be mythic members only? Legendary and up? Heroic and up? This has no credibility coming from the likes of me, but what about the group of people that can make good posts, but have made too many mistakes before, and thus have doomed their trust ratings? What about them? Do you think there should be an application of some sort for said members?

  • 12.07.2008 10:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: furiocity
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Your idea sounds feasible, although I ask, how would you go about gaining access to such a forum? Would it be mythic members only? Legendary and up? Heroic and up? This has no credibility coming from the likes of me, but what about the group of people that can make good posts, but have made too many mistakes before, and thus have doomed their trust ratings? What about them? Do you think there should be an application of some sort for said members?

That is indeed a good point. Maybe if a certain number of Mythic members agree, a normal member can be accepted, or something along those lines. I know lots of good, intelligent, constructive community members that are just members, including myself and you.

Little things like that could be solved, but the debate lies in the general idea. I've already stated in detail why this is a good idea and why I support it.

  • 12.07.2008 10:09 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: paulmarv
Posted by: furiocity
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Your idea sounds feasible, although I ask, how would you go about gaining access to such a forum? Would it be mythic members only? Legendary and up? Heroic and up? This has no credibility coming from the likes of me, but what about the group of people that can make good posts, but have made too many mistakes before, and thus have doomed their trust ratings? What about them? Do you think there should be an application of some sort for said members?

That is indeed a good point. Maybe if a certain number of Mythic members agree, a normal member can be accepted, or something along those lines. I know lots of good, intelligent, constructive community members that are just members, including myself and you.

Little things like that could be solved, but the debate lies in the general idea. I've already stated in detail why this is a good idea and why I support it.
Yeah, agreed with paulmarv. Hopefully, if anything remotely like this idea ever comes into play (at this point, it's all academic, but at least it's a good discussion), there would be a way to sort out the details and find ways to get regular members into the restricted-posting forum who are clearly both active and able to post within forum rules. I don't like the idea of any kind of subjective filter, as it leaves too much room for unfairness and bias, but at the end of the day it could be the best solution. Another potential solution could be to lower the automatic requirements to become a Heroic Member.

Regardless, though, I can see how your question would go towards the overall issue of whether such a forum would even be a good idea in the first place, which is where the focus of my various posts lies :-)

  • 12.07.2008 10:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
[quote]Posted by: paulmarv
[quote]Posted by: furiocity

Another potential solution could be to lower the automatic requirements to become a Heroic Member.


What would that achieve? It would just make it easier for in-active/rule-breaking people to get into the forum.

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  • 12.08.2008 12:01 AM PDT

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*scratches head*

I sincerely doubt an ivory tower will reduce repeat topics. There are stickies on things, people ignore them (this could do with improving...). Even when repeat topics are put in stickies, they still appear.

Most of the traffic in 'intelligent' groups like TBC is repeat posts. We end up having the same discussions over and over as a matter of course. This gets very, very boring. But, you can't really do a great deal about it. Making stickies of repeated threads simply ends up with too many stickies that people don't read anyway.

Basically, you're trying to provide something that isn't really needed. A lot of higher titles simply discuss things in various intelligent groups, or retire to a nice gentleman's club like Mythic Members to enjoy small talk among the older members.

By all means, support it and do it, but expect almost no result. Actually, preventing creation of threads for 2-4 weeks for new members might be a wonderful idea. You might also want to tag a 3 day block on creating threads after a ban, too.

Yes, yes, thread hijacking. But it's almost guaranteed that they're all asking reasonably similar questions, so trialling it for a month might be worth doing.

  • 12.08.2008 1:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Primum Agmen
*scratches head*



Most of the traffic in 'intelligent' groups like TBC is repeat posts.


Intelligent? Every single discussion= is religion is bad or religion is good. Dont get me wrong i love the group its just very repetitive.

  • 12.08.2008 1:52 AM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

See quotation marks.

Also, it's not all religion, that's just the hang up of the newer members.

  • 12.08.2008 1:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Primum Agmen

Also, it's not all religion, that's just the hang up of the newer members.


Oh my bad. Religion and politics.

  • 12.08.2008 2:08 AM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

That's what it's there for. Also science and philosophy thrown in as well. But still, mostly repeat topics. Partly why everyone likes banning religion for a few months a year...

  • 12.08.2008 2:15 AM PDT
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Let me just say I like a lot of the ideas here. I would love to have a forum where people were prohibited to post unless they met a certain criteria. Said form would also need to be super strict. If you flamed you are gone for good. No 2nd chance. I would actually consider paying for this privilege.

  • 12.08.2008 12:42 PM PDT

あなたはばかです。

Posted by: Predator5791
Usually admins have a secret forum on any forum site.
Like the Real 7alk Moderator Fourm that you guys failed to keep secret?

  • 12.08.2008 2:28 PM PDT
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I can haz reconz

foman u type alot or u type fast

  • 12.08.2008 5:04 PM PDT
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I can haz reconz

go here to get to the secret fourm

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  • 12.08.2008 5:05 PM PDT
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I can haz reconz

ha u fell for it la la la

  • 12.08.2008 5:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I also think that improvement in the Halo 3 Forum would result as regular members would see the restricted-posting forum, be able to view every topic in there, see the intelligence and quality of the topics there, want to post there, and thus emulate the posting style of these forums.
I wouldn't see it as that way. Having a forum like that would not adjust peoples posting styles. A blacklisted member doesn't change his posting habits because he sees the "good and quality users of Bungie.net", they would do it to avoid the consequences, if they were to even change at all. This read-only forum would have the same options for a regular member as one who was blacklisted would be. It is like regular members are being punished for their lack of forum competence and trust.

That doesn't seem like quite the system you want to be supporting. You would not be using the threat of exclusion to prompt users to modify their posting habits. A system of rewards and bribery is what you should be trying to avoid. Unless the secret forum was completely secret, as in not even viewable to such members (like the halo 3: beta forum), that would be the only way it would be even remotely acceptable.

  • 12.08.2008 5:52 PM PDT
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Its too bad that I'm a member and i cant access that.

  • 12.08.2008 6:33 PM PDT

I'm not blind, I have eyes in front of my head...

I've always just assumed the mods and such have their own forum where they make fun of the rest of us.

I'm probably just paranoid.

  • 12.08.2008 9:31 PM PDT

I'm not blind, I have eyes in front of my head...

Posted by: Screecherz
Posted by: x Foman123 x
I also think that improvement in the Halo 3 Forum would result as regular members would see the restricted-posting forum, be able to view every topic in there, see the intelligence and quality of the topics there, want to post there, and thus emulate the posting style of these forums.
I wouldn't see it as that way. Having a forum like that would not adjust peoples posting styles. A blacklisted member doesn't change his posting habits because he sees the "good and quality users of Bungie.net", they would do it to avoid the consequences, if they were to even change at all. This read-only forum would have the same options for a regular member as one who was blacklisted would be. It is like regular members are being punished for their lack of forum competence and trust.

That doesn't seem like quite the system you want to be supporting. You would not be using the threat of exclusion to prompt users to modify their posting habits. A system of rewards and bribery is what you should be trying to avoid. Unless the secret forum was completely secret, as in not even viewable to such members (like the halo 3: beta forum), that would be the only way it would be even remotely acceptable.




Actually, being banned multiple times has improved my posting habits.

Now I'm a more moderate poster, instead of an outright jerk.

  • 12.08.2008 9:33 PM PDT

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I'd like this, and no not just because the blue bar. It would decrease all the clutter and make it easier to find topics I actually want to discuss. I usually avoid any other forum, siding this one and the halo 3 one (hey someone has to be the voice of reason) and head over to one of my groups and post there but with this system I feel I can get equal face time.

  • 12.08.2008 9:47 PM PDT

Will is everything.

I figure I'll throw my 2 cents in about this. Having a forum based on behavior (good behavior) I believe is a great idea. With all the inane babble and redundant threads that pop up on B.net like the Halo 3 forum, it truly does make it hard to interact with people that have more interest than what weapon they think is better than the other. For what it's worth I've come across some really down-to-Earth, level-headed people on Bungie.net, and when the great discussion was there the experience is awesome. As one of the mods stated, Bungie.net is so much more than just Halo 3 and it's stats. It should be an undaunting environment where we can rationally and intelligently discuss our favorite games and our favorited games studio.

  • 12.08.2008 9:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Motav 13
Actually, being banned multiple times has improved my posting habits.
That proves my point exactly, the consequences of being banned is what has changed your posting habits. You identified the crime, and did the same with the Punishment to change how you address these forums. My arguement was that simply being able to see "Good Posts and Topics" wouldn't change the habits, a punishment would be the only detterent. Now that I have a testimonial, it only further exemplifies the content of my point.

  • 12.09.2008 1:18 PM PDT

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Of course there are secret forums, but for people with titles? I am not sure.

  • 12.18.2008 3:33 PM PDT

Freedom has two parts: potential and resolution; as metaphors have two parts : form and interpretation; of course, the two are intertwined. Metaphor lines the road to freedom, as symbols and words are the bricks and mortar of meaning. Freedom being the briocoleus, the mason.
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If there were to be an elevated forum for this place, why not all the other forums as well? So that there can also be mature discussion about halo 3 as well.

  • 12.18.2008 3:36 PM PDT

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  • 12.18.2008 4:02 PM PDT
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Woow A Forum Secret Thats Cool.

  • 12.18.2008 4:47 PM PDT