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Subject: should you think the pistol really return?
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[sarcasm] I think Halo 2 should have backpack reloading [/sarcasm]

  • 07.06.2004 10:19 AM PDT
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Who said the BR has similar power as the pistol now that would be cheap! Also it's really cool the Bungie made all the weapons useful including the pistol which is usually a FPS doorstop.

  • 07.06.2004 10:53 AM PDT
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it will return............

  • 07.06.2004 10:55 AM PDT
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to those of you who say "the pistol requires skill, i tell you: i have no skill (zero, zip, nada). really, if you ask me if i had halo skill, i'd say "NO, NYET, NEIN!", but, i own with the pistol. i don't even need a headshot, just BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM (fast reload, all shots connected at nearly all ranges). the shotgun, who needs it? BAM shikchik BAM shikchik BAM (and that sucks at range). the AR? bAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAm (and half the shots miss) The Plasma rifle? zapzapzapzapzapzapzap hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii sss (and that sucks at range). The plasma pistol? bzzzzzzzZAP hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssss zap zap zap zap zap (ok at rang) the sniper rifle? BANGBANGBANGBANG 9ten seconds of reload) Ah! they got less than ten yards a way! I'm doomed. The rocket launcher! BOOM! whooooooooooooooo (a bunch of o's later) ooooosh BOOM! (only two shots! wtf). See! all the other weapons suck and the Pistol is the only good one.


By the way, i was being sarcastic- i was highlighting how all the other weapons are balanced, but the pistol is too good.

  • 07.06.2004 11:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: mc420
it is a single shot pistol. an example of a multiple shot pistol is a Mac 11.

no, it's an automatic, 12 shot pistol. besides, a MAC 11 has crappy power and poor range. the M6D had crazy rate of fire, crazy power, crazy range, crazy accuracy, and crazy slip size. and, it wasn't even a difficult weapon to obtain! the rocket aunchers were ussualy scarce in a level.

  • 07.06.2004 11:29 AM PDT
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There wont be pistol, there wont be an AR, you can keep dreaming though.

But i'm a firm believer in a "new" pistol with magnum bullets being in the game. (mentioned in the book). Thats just more fan fiction though.

[Edited on 7/6/2004 11:34:08 AM]

  • 07.06.2004 11:32 AM PDT
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There will ba a AR (now a Battle Rifle) and a Pistol (a Magnum Pistol similar to Marathon's handgun) now just hide this till Hikaru finds this thread ;-).

  • 07.06.2004 11:35 AM PDT
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The BR is not an AR, "Battle Rifle, Assault Rifle." The AR's equivelent is the SMG, the pistols is the BR. It's common sense.

  • 07.06.2004 11:37 AM PDT
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no smg = AR (weak power, inaccurate, great fire rate, great clip) except you can dual wield smg for purposes og goodness. BR = pistol (powerful shut, medium to lng range, medium rate of fire, good accuracy, medium clip size) [note: though the BR will be taking pistols old place, it will not be as cheap, due to lower accuracy un three round bursts and slower rate of fire when zoomed, also is two handed weapons so no dualing]

  • 07.06.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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I think that there will be a human pistol, but it will be a new one, in the books they talk about it being a magnum, having lots of power but no long range

  • 07.06.2004 11:42 AM PDT
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The Battle Rifle is a more accurate depiction of a Assault Rifle than the old MA5B was. Look at the M16 it fires both 3-shot bursts and single fire for long range picking off targets (the Marines hit target accuratly at 500 feet!). Also Bungiee is right the pistol in First Strike is no doubt in the game Bungie wouldn't let it in their unless it was and other guns like the slug thrower and battle rifle are in Halo 2 and where in the book.

  • 07.06.2004 11:50 AM PDT
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no

  • 07.06.2004 11:51 AM PDT
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i personally feel like the magnum would be a good idea, kinda like a shotgun, but less powerful and single handed, for dualing purposes (of course, while dualing it would be even more inaccurate than the smgs)

  • 07.06.2004 11:51 AM PDT
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The magnum could have the same accuracy except with alot slower rate of fire and no scope. They could do whatever to it as long as it's useful and balanced I dont care.

  • 07.06.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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i agree, as long as there aren't too many weapons that are stepping o eachother's toes.

  • 07.06.2004 11:57 AM PDT
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As far as I can tell, a pistol will be in the game. From reading the books I found out that the new pistol, dubbed the magnum, is more balanced than the old one as far as weight goes. That may transfer over to meaning more accurate. Considering the addition of the Battle Rifle in order to preserve balance the pistol may not have a scope (although it still might) and will most definitely have to be tuned down. Why? because you can dual-weild with it. Someone dual-weilding two of the old pistols would be able to kill people in two shots.

Nevertheless, if the battle rifle is as powerful as it looks and has as much ammo as it appears to have it may replace the pistol as the strongest non-explosive medium range weapon in the game.

  • 07.06.2004 11:57 AM PDT
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the battle woun't be unbalanced, cause it's single shot is less powerful than the old school pistols, and it's three round burst is less accurate. also, it's zoom has a sower rate of fire.

  • 07.06.2004 1:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: kazoo
reason why the pistol was overpowerd...because it was good from short to long range. it killed everything except at point blank range, where a plasma weapon or shotgun or AR could kill it. and it was overpowered, doesnt mean we dont know how to use it. all it means is that the best of the best can try to run arcross BG and die in one and a half seconds of some piece of crap player that can use the pistol. if you can use the pistol, you will get a kill...or at least come a lot closer.

the needler wasnt there for balance obviously...to balance it bungie made it better and dual weildable in halo2, so i expect if they can make a weapon to weak, they can make one to powerful.

and newbies? you know what they use? well crap, no wonder you think you kick so much ass at halo1, it sounds like thats a common opponent for you. because if you dont play a lot of newbies, how else would you be able to tell what MOST newbies use?

heres a scematic of why the pistol was overpowered...

SHORT MEDIUM LONG
pistol range [________________________________________________________]
SR Range [_____________________]
Shotgun [_________]
AR [___________________]
Ppistol [__________________]

Notice how the pistol is goof in like every range, nearly...
oh, and i got this graph from the "book of facts", so there is no use arguing.


Those ranges are off.

The sniper rifle is effective at all distances. The pistol stops at about mid way between the mid and long range areas. The AR has a loner range than that, accuracy is just hell. And the plasma pistol goes out to medium range no problem, it just travels a little slow.

  • 07.06.2004 1:22 PM PDT
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The pistol was only "overpowered" in the sense that it pwned at mid range but in Halo 2 with the Carbine and the Battle Rifle and better maps that wouldn't be a problem

  • 07.06.2004 1:29 PM PDT
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actually, the sniper rifle really can't do close range that well, trust. you know that really small MP map, that's like in outer space? play thaat with sniping wweapons only, and it gets kinda of tuff (i did okay, got five double kills, two triple kills, and three killing sprees, in like a short period of time i only came in like third though, but i'm not very good, so there you have it)

  • 07.06.2004 1:30 PM PDT
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and in the sense that you could own them consistently with little difficulty using it.

  • 07.06.2004 1:32 PM PDT
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You must suck at Sniper Rifles then. Isn't it funny that these weapons subjects the Mods avoid like the plague perhaps they know whether the AR and M6D is coming back and there just watching us bicker and fight over nothing.

  • 07.06.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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Yeah ain't it great. Speaking of which I have made my point and I am not going to beother with this particular thread much longer. I will follow by example, as should most of us, to avoid this thread like the plague.

  • 07.06.2004 7:37 PM PDT
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Yeah this topic and the Bots topic comes up alot and must people are morons about it and make things up as they go your probably right about it *except that the M6D and the MA5B are not coming back ;-)*. Unless we only have one topic about the weapons and one topic about the Bots then it would be fine but when you see 5 or 6 different topics on the same thing it's irratating.

[Edited on 7/6/2004 7:53:56 PM]

  • 07.06.2004 7:47 PM PDT
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I believe the Magnum Pistol in Halo 2 would be like the 44. cal pistol in Marathon eight rounds slow rate of fire but more power to make up for it.

  • 07.06.2004 7:55 PM PDT

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