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The Covenant from what I know consists of many separate races which make the body of the Covenant. This system is split up into casts, or rather a hierarchy system. The thought I’m considering in this little bit of speculation I will roll into a small concise ball. The Prophets are weak, frightened creatures which require the protection of the other Covenant races. Which in turn the Prophets have placed themselves in a position of power to make it look like they are serving a greater service.

The Brutes, Hunters, Elites, and Jackals appear to all be carnivores in the Halo universe. While the Prophets seem to be herbivores strictly by visually looking at their physical traits. The Brutes, Elites, and Jackals all have very sharp dagger like teeth. This may have been to clamp down on their pray when they use to live in their natural surroundings. The Jackals eyes are placed on the side of their skulls which might show they were not the primary carnivore where they lived. This assumption might also be true for the Elites, except their eye’s are not on side, but pointed off at angle slightly. The Grunts are hard to speculate on, it is not possible to see their teeth so no quick speculation is possible, this also goes for the Hunters.

The physical stature of the Covenant differs quite a bit. The Elites stand tall and are able to view a great distance due to being bipedal, what you need to look at on the Elites are the legs. The Elites legs are very muscular particularly the front quadriceps, this denotes that the Elites should be very good at sprinting short distances, or leaping high. This also means the Elites shouldn’t be very good at running long distances. The Jackals have a very light muscular build, with scaley looking skin, this should mean that the Jackals are unlikely creatures to live in a snowy winter environment. The Jackals small size would mean that they loose heat at a quick rate, this would also entail a high metabolism; which of course infers an active creature. Can you say nervous Jackals. The Brutes are very interesting indeed, they appear to have few teeth but the ones they have protrude a great deal. The sheer girth of the Brutes and impressively muscular appendages says a lot on their part. They Brutes could easily live in a cold environment, due to their size. But there are many factors which could cancel this out. We should note the Brutes eye’s face forwards which is a sure sign of binocular vision, this may indicate the possibility of them being carnivores. Brutes shouldn’t be able to run extremely fast, or run long distances. From the way we saw them attack the Master chief in the E3 2003 demo we know they’re very clever. The Brutes were using group tactics swiftly enough to give the Master Chief a little difficulty but nothing he’d sweat over. The Grunts are the one race which looks misplaced in the Covenant ranks. The Grunts are willing to fight in an atmosphere environment not suited for them, which means they have to carry around a heavy tank just incase they figure they may want to breath at some point. Notice how the grunts like to sleep a lot. The Grunts also have very long arms, and binocular vision. Who knows how fast a Grunt could be without one of those tanks. Oh yeah; Bungie does.

You’re probably wondering what exactly that has to do with the Prophets being afraid. The prophets seem to be herbivores when you look at there teeth; their necks are also sufficiently long enough that you might guess earlier in their history they may have once grazed on trees, or grass’s. The Prophets are also very lightly built, extremely fragile. If a predator came along which liked the taste of them, the Prophets wouldn’t be able to put up much physical resistance.

We know that the Prophets are the highest level in the Covenant ranks, and I think the engineers are next, which also turn out to be the same beings as the Prophets. The least dangerous race to the Prophets would most likely be the Grunts, which in turn are the lowest ranked. Why? Maybe due to the Grunts social behaviour, they may be smarter than we think they are. Oh yes I’m suggesting the Grunts are so low due to them being less of a threat. Who better to take a beating then the Grunts, the higher ranked Covenant won’t care for anyone else but themselves. You can most likely figure out the order of the rest of the Covenant race, and why it is that way.

How do the Prophets manage to keep everyone of the Covenant races inline, simple disinformation. It works for human governments so why not the Covenant, I will now prove the Covenant do not really have a governmentalized society like the humans do. We know that some how the Prophets managed to get control over the other Covenant races, but how? Simple the Prophets claim they’re in direct connection with the Forerunner who have told them to destroy humanity. Lets hope they aren’t, otherwise humanity will have a graver danger to face in Halo 2. We also know the Prophets have claimed to have lived on an original planet the Forerunners did inhabit at one time. But how did the Prophets manage to get all of those carnivorous races together without having their heads ripped off. I figure it is the old give the kid a candy for doing his chores then gradually ween them off the candy till they just do it instinctively. I figure the Prophets gave the lesser Covenant superior weapons to what they had, and told them God had selected them to rule the Universe. I mean who wouldn’t like to have a stranger come up and tell them god was on their side. Well I wouldn’t but lets not consider that.

Here’s why the Covenant do not have a conventional government in a democratic societies eyes. Only the race which is represented as Prophets and Engineers may have the honour of running the entire Covenant factions. If a Grunt, Jackal, or any other Covenant could hold this position and be voted in, then we might consider them to have a real government. I suppose it is a government, after all it is a body which leads their society.

We know that the Prophets are most likely not receiving word from the Forerunners as to what they’re suppose to do. The reason behind this is that Kinotrica ‘Mocka’ pointed out some text in one of the Halo books which clearly proves the Prophets only want the Forerunner technology Refer further to a post further down the page.

A person could assume that the Prophets do not want humans as part of the Covenant since they’re able to eat vegetables and meat. This would mean the human population could explode much faster then any other of the Covenant races which mainly appear to be Carnivores. The main reason which the dictatorial Prophets most likely despise the humans is in the way we run our society. The human government system allows any human to be the head of government, which would be a shocking revelation to the other lesser Covenant races which could possibly pull their entire society apart. Without a single weapon having been fired. What would happen if one of the other Covenant races learned of solid proof proving the Prophets were spreading nothing but lies. Can you imagined a shattered Covenant Regime. Sorry for not having put everything I could have in this, but I have to go grocery shopping Kinotrica ‘Mocka’, Glug, Arronyman, Brutalius, John 117, the Australians out there too. I’ll be back later this evening guys.
Expect something radical like this to occur in Halo 2, this game will most likely be won in a way you’re not expecting. After all Jason Jones did think the Halo 2 plot up.

http://www.gametalk.com/talk/xbox/halo_2/

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First off...thats some damn detailed analysing.

But secondly, its not neccessarily true that bungie designed the covenant to display traits of canivores of herbivores. Maybe its just cooincidence that their shape, size, and muscular build causes them to seem like they would live here or do that, etc.. They could have been designed how they were to just plain look cool (which they do).

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I think the prophets are the brains of the covenant, and are essential for their survival.
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  • 04.22.2004 2:33 PM PDT
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Bears are large, strong and fierce animals when they are pissed. they also look like enormous meat eaters who take down large game every day. Well they aren't. Bears scavenge meat or get it from fish. around 70% of their died is nuts and berries. Looks aren't always what they are.

  • 04.22.2004 2:38 PM PDT

i think grunts are the most intelligent of the covenant (not counting the prophets, since i haven't seen them around in the game yet) sure, the elites are good at fighting, but i think that's it. it seems like elites are bred to know everything about battle. grunts have the most technology, including the fuel rod cannon and the atmosphere suits. i bet the grunts came up with all the weapons the covenant use, just the elites and jackals and hunters are more physically suited to use them. also, grunts are the only covenant that can speak english, which i can guess is not the native language of their planet.

but of course, i don't see how jackals got to be primary fighters, since they are incredibly fragile. they are just as weak as grunts, but their sheilds give them all the defense they have. perhaps since it is a time of war, they just got everyone to fight that they could.

maybe prophets are the equivalent to our government. our government can't fight or develop tactics, they can't build weapons, but they can tell people to fight and build weapons. prophets are probably just figureheads of authority so the covenant will have some sort of structure and controll.

  • 04.22.2004 2:50 PM PDT
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The Grunts don't speak English. The Master Chief has translation software built into his Mjolnir suit. Don't believe me? Read the prologue of "Halo: The Fall of Reach".

  • 04.22.2004 3:06 PM PDT

then why doesn't he translate what the other aliens say?

  • 04.22.2004 3:15 PM PDT
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first of all. All that stuff u said was bull-blam!-. U obviously haven't read the books. The brutes are extremely fast and extremely muscular. They're the equivelant to a human spartan in terms of speed but they are much stronger. All they lack is the war tactics and fast thinking. Second I'll tell u why the prophets are highest ranking but first of all let me break this all down why ur 3page article is bull crap. The grunts used to live on their own planet. until it was conquered by the covenant and the grunts forced to fight or die. Their planet's atmosphere was of methane gas. Which is what they brethe and is what is in those tanks they have. Second I will do the prophets. Back when the forerunners built their halo rings and had ther super advanced technology was when the covenant had no power or anything. The forerunners are gone now but used to be around no one knows what happened to them. The prophets/covenant most of all are imitative not innovative. The humans built and thought of for what we have/had. The prophets obtained the forerunner technology and used it to create their technology and their society and everything else they have done. That is also the prophets created the other covenant soldiers. The covenant have conquered many planets by the way. The prophets are easily the the highest ranking and most respected because they are the makers of the covenant. They are responsible for everything accomplishment of the covenant race. The rest of the covenant honor and obey they're makers. u did say a few logical things about environments and stuff for physical traits of other covenant. U were wrong on the brutes. It should've have been easy to figure out for the brutes. The brutes are almost pure testostrone and are the perfect killing machine. They have the aggression, the intensity, the pure strength, the lighting quick agillity, and will not stop until they are dead. That is what the brutes are, U should read the books if u want to be able to figure that stuff out. The elites are able to run long distances which I think u are wrong on. Their quad was very muscular but that distorted ur thinking. They can still run a long ways. The jackals are little but feisty. The hunters were close to be a perfect killing machine (the brute took that lol) but their sheare size and slowness made an easy target. They are pwerful though. And are a tough kill for marines and spartans alike.the herbivore and carnivore stuff doesn't matter except think about this which I talked about earlier. The prophets are also the religious and political leaders. They are responsible for the covenant military too. Why should they fight when they have better technology and billions of soldiers to do it for them. The prophets are bigger than any other of the covenant though. The covenant soldiers/races would never dare disobey their superiors and their makers. The prophets are the gods of the covenant pretty much is what it comes down too. They created the covenant to do their dirty work. The covenant and prophets would be nothing more than a primitative race except the covenant wouldn't even exist the prophest would/might. But like I said the covenant are imitative not innovative and got lucky and obtained unbelievable superior technology.

  • 04.22.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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oh ya, meshnaster u are the stupidest person in this and every forum from that retarded post. Why the hell do u think the grunts came with all that stuff. Read my first post and then read the books on halo u idiot. Grunts are the lowest ranking for a reason. God I just can't stop thinking about how idiotic that post is. Here's some advice. Know before u state some theory to avoid sounding like a person with mental retardation. Lmao Lmao. I'm sorry for criticizing so much but I am sick of posts like that from people who know nothing about what they are saying and attempt to make a logical theory when its the most bizarre and ridiculous one.

  • 04.22.2004 3:24 PM PDT
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I guess John doesn't have the translation software for the other races yet.

Nice post, gruntkiller and Foton.

Foton, I wouldn't be so sure that the engineers are high-ranking. In "Halo: First Strike", they didn't seem to notice that John is an enemy of the Covenent,"The Human In Special Armor".

  • 04.22.2004 3:28 PM PDT
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Don't be a -blam!- about it, gruntkiller.

  • 04.22.2004 3:29 PM PDT
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the prophets are not scared and weak they are actually the most powerful. If youve ever read the books youd know they have SO MUCH FREAKING KNOWLEDGE ITS NOT FUNNY.

They can telepahtically move stuff dismantal stuff take apart human cars and put them back together and study all the parts in about a minute. They float to.

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The engineers took the cars apart,not the prophets. The Prophets wouldn't dare go on a planet tainted by "human vermin".

[Edited on 4/22/2004 3:34:16 PM]

  • 04.22.2004 3:32 PM PDT
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i have a problem does anyone have a pitcure of a forrunner because i dont really know what they look like if anyone does know what they look like.And i think it matters alot about the meat and veggie @%#$ cause it could be what they based it on or how they based the covenent and I think if grunts can mantain a planet then there smarter than most of the covenent so i think they are below the engieers but above the elites and jackels and hunters i mean the elites are good at millatiry tactics but grunts are probly smarter then them in nonbased millatry subjects.

  • 04.22.2004 3:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dom0429
The engineers took the cars apart,not the prophets. The Prophets wouldn't dare go on a planet tainted by "human vermin".


Yeah hahaha your so wrong you ovisouly never read the fall of reach or first strike.

  • 04.22.2004 3:55 PM PDT
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There are no pictures of the Forerunners yet.

  • 04.22.2004 3:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dom0429
There are no pictures of the Forerunners yet.


WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID?

  • 04.22.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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Before referring to someone as stupid, you should proofread your post for grammar and punctuation errors. Not to mention the annoying use of 'u' as stated in the rules above should not be used.

  • 04.22.2004 4:07 PM PDT
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You are wrong. Page 183 of "Halo: The Fall of Reach" CLEARLY describes them as engineers.

[Edited on 4/22/2004 4:45:08 PM]

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I like your post Foton, a lot of thought there. Stop insulting, Gruntkiller, no one wants to read that -blam!-.

One possibility for the Prophets being the top of the line is the fact that they are smart. Rankings in the covenat seem to be based off of ability, ie. a Brute is smarter-faster-stronger than an Elite, which is in turn better than a Jackle, just look at how difficult an Elite is to kill compared to a Grunt. So the Phrophets may be at the top simply because they are the smartest, tharefor best suited to command. Having at least some intelligence, the other races must realize they stand a better chance of survival following the Prophets than they do on their own. Not that missinformation wouldn't also work. Keep in mind that this seems to be a sort of military society, not a democracy, so it would be like living in the military, or communisim that actually worked.

The reason they want to destroy humans is probably the fact that we think for ourselves. The Covenant AI seemed to think it was 'hearesy' for Cortana to do something that hadn't been done before. Sort of a radical religious belief that for anyone but the forerunners to discover anything is a sin.


The reason the Grunts are at the bottom could be simply because they can't fight in their suits. They obviously aern't the smartest, are lazy, and because they loose stregnth and mobility in their suits, are no longer the fastest or strongest. I deafinantly wouldn't want to fight one out of its suit though.

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No it doesnt, I would dbl check but i los tmy book somewhere

  • 04.22.2004 4:22 PM PDT
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Are you implying that the book is a liar? I can give you some quotes if you want.

  • 04.22.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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ok please do that

  • 04.22.2004 4:32 PM PDT
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"The creatures were vaguely sluglike, with pale, purple-pink skin. Unlike other Covenant forces, they were not bipeds. Instead they had several tentacular appendages sprouting from their thick trunks." There is more, but I think that is enough "proof".

  • 04.22.2004 4:42 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Nice work. VERY nice work. I disagree with some of it, but still... excellent.

I don't think the Prophets are that afraid. Not yet, anyhow. They're very smart, and its unproven if they can actually use telekinesis (last chapter of First Strike describes the High Prophet of Truth taking the container with the crystal shard from Tartarus without using his hands). The telekinesis might just be a feature provided by the Covenant's antigrav technology (maybe that have grav/antigrav projectors). They probably have other tricks up their sleeves, as well.

But if the other races decide to turn on them, I think they'd lose horribly.

And guys, if you disagree with a theory, don't be immature and post things like, "that was bull-blam!-." Just simply say "I disagree" and say your reasons... there's no need to make heated arguments. This guy has very good observational skills, although some can be disproven quite easily (like the "bears and brutes" post did).

  • 04.22.2004 4:46 PM PDT

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