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Subject: The +1 rule.
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For those of you who don't know the +1 rule( if you know stuff about guns already, don't bother reading this paragraph). In order to explain the rule Im gonna use a commonly known modern day weapon, the M16. Lets say you put a 30 rounds magazine into the reciever and 'co-ck' the weapon. This removes a single bullet from the magazine and puts it into the chamber, meaning, its ready to fire. So, you have 1 bullet in the chamber and 29 in the magazine, still 30. Now lets say that your going into a big battle so you want all the ammo you can get, so you take out the magazine with 29 rounds in it, and put in a fresh 30 round magazine. You now have 1 in the chamber, and 30 in the magazine for a total of 31.

Ok heres the hard part. In the E3 03 sinlge player demo, when Master CHief reloads the battle rifle, he pulls the slide back and unlocks the chamber(even tho it should be the other way around :P), takes out the magazine and puts in a new one. Ok, no big deal, he was out of ammo( was he?), so he reloaded. But thise year's E3, when he reloaded, he simply swapped magazines. My question is this: will the +1 rule apply in Halo 2 if you reload before your magazine is empty? In Halo CE (Assualt Rifle, bte) he always unlocked the chamber to reload whether the mag was empty or not (if the mag wasnt empty, it would simply eject the bullet already in the chamber, leaving him still with 60 rounds, no harm, no foul) But this time it seems different. Im mainly aiming this question towards those who played it at E3 and have definite answers, not just opinions.

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  • 07.06.2004 2:58 PM PDT
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dont u mean the "#1 rule"???

  • 07.06.2004 3:01 PM PDT
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Well, in Halo 1, the shotgun had two kinds of reloading actions.

If you use all the bullets, he puts more in and co cks the gun.

But if you use 1, 2, 3, he just puts them in.

So, maybe you're right.

[Edited on 7/6/2004 3:02:36 PM]

  • 07.06.2004 3:02 PM PDT
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o nm i didnt even read the whole thing, cuz when you say the "+1 rule" i have to bash u as fast as i can...so i take that back

  • 07.06.2004 3:03 PM PDT
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Ok ok so you know something about guns. And yes your right. If you read the manual you would know that the assault rifle is air powered. Is a new system. So if one part is new. maybe the whole design is different too. Dont assume.

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Posted by: capkirk64
Ok ok so you know something about guns. And yes your right. If you read the manual you would know that the assault rifle is air powered. Is a new system. So if one part is new. maybe the whole design is different too. Dont assume.


Gas operated you fool, that means it uses the expanding gas of combustion to operate the re chambering process. God damnit, they been usign that design since WWII you dope.

  • 07.06.2004 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: gCypher
dont u mean the "#1 rule"???


No, he meant the +1 rule, because you have +1 extra bullet in the gun ready to fire.

  • 07.06.2004 3:07 PM PDT
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I would be seriously impressed if bungie was that accurate with their weapon models!

I always keep one in the pipe you can never have toooooo many bullets.

  • 07.06.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Soul Hunter

I would be seriously impressed if bungie was that accurate with their weapon models!

I always keep one in the pipe you can never have toooooo many bullets.



Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield (PC version) was the first game (I played) that used the +1 rule ,and when I noticed it I was really happy, of course, in games like that, one bullet can make a BIG difference, but this is Halo 2. You never know until you play I guess.


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  • 07.06.2004 3:09 PM PDT
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That’s an impressive level of accuracy if they did have that type of weapon physics. One way or the other im sure this game will be all we hope for and more!

  • 07.06.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Soul Hunter
That’s an impressive level of accuracy if they did have that type of weapon physics. One way or the other im sure this game will be all we hope for and more!


Of course, it will be awsome, but this is the only subject I could think of that hasnt been talked about to death yet. Oh, well, that'll be one of the first things imma test when I get it.

  • 07.06.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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Yeh that and have they changed the sound a grunt makes
when you bash his head in with your……(Insert what ever weapon your holding).


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  • 07.06.2004 3:27 PM PDT
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Lol, nice.

  • 07.06.2004 3:29 PM PDT
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Omg this post is so stupid end it here. Who gives a damn about a single bullet and all this bull. I don't know a damn thing about guns, but this is Halo 2 a video game set in the far future and I don't think it's that realistic like that, this ain't no damn Tom Clancy game. 1 bullet in real life may help a lot, but not as much in Halo.

  • 07.06.2004 3:30 PM PDT
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they probably going to still do it

don't forget it was only and demo to show it off

nothings for sure in a demo unless it's been confermed other wise

  • 07.06.2004 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Drez
Omg this post is so stupid end it here. Who gives a damn about a single bullet and all this bull. I don't know a damn thing about guns, but this is Halo 2 a video game set in the far future and I don't think it's that realistic like that, this ain't no damn Tom Clancy game. 1 bullet in real life may help a lot, but not as much in Halo.


If you dont like this thread, why are you even replying to it? Your just moving it back up the list for others to see. Can you think that far ahead? Nice move, and secondly, you havent played Halo 2 and used every weapon in the game, it WOULD make a difference, it applies to every human weapon. An extra round in the sniper rifle, shotgun, even with the battle rifle it could make a difference. Next time you feel like flaming, dont. Its rude and makes you like childish.

  • 07.06.2004 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: youngtusk87
Posted by: Drez
Omg this post is so stupid end it here. Who gives a damn about a single bullet and all this bull. I don't know a damn thing about guns, but this is Halo 2 a video game set in the far future and I don't think it's that realistic like that, this ain't no damn Tom Clancy game. 1 bullet in real life may help a lot, but not as much in Halo.


If you dont like this thread, why are you even replying to it? Your just moving it back up the list for others to see. Can you think that far ahead? Nice move, and secondly, you havent played Halo 2 and used every weapon in the game, it WOULD make a difference, it applies to every human weapon. An extra round in the sniper rifle, shotgun, even with the battle rifle it could make a difference. Next time you feel like flaming, dont. Its rude and makes you like childish.



Way to take a bucket of water to that flamer man!

(I prefer to pee on fires myself…..but that another thread)



  • 07.06.2004 3:50 PM PDT

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Couldn't this rule apply to slidable pistols to? Load in a mag, when you reload. (reload animation includes a load and a lock slide) and then reload again to get a fresh magazine in.
I never even thought about this and could add some strategy. "Do I load my pistol twice and risk getting shot to get a good advantage, or do I settle with one but have one less bullet yet no time wasted?"

  • 07.06.2004 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: ash55
Couldn't this rule apply to slidable pistols to? Load in a mag, when you reload. (reload animation includes a load and a lock slide) and then reload again to get a fresh magazine in.
I never even thought about this and could add some strategy. "Do I load my pistol twice and risk getting shot to get a good advantage, or do I settle with one but have one less bullet yet no time wasted?"


Indeed it does apply to any magazine fed weapon, and shotgun if you think about it, (but liek someone said, in Halo Ce they did incorporate it, but that would mean the shotgun holds 11+1 instead of 12.) Oh well, whatever makes the game better, you know?

I have a feeling they'll only apply it to certain weapons (Battle Rifle and...well, guess thats it) for the sake of balance, like the sniper rifle holding one extra round, some would claim that disrupts balance, I think it would be just plain cool.

[Edited on 7/6/2004 3:57:52 PM]

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