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Subject: Forerunner/Human Connection Found

[color=gold]I could go either way on most all of the things I write. I mainly put these thoughts of mine up for a good arguments. I enjoy having a good argument with well informed individuals. So to this end, no personal attacks (Flaming) is needed in this thread. Try and stay civil:)[/color]


Now, one would come to expect that the Covenant wouldn’t want anything to do with Human technology because it is considered to be against the Forerunner religion... at least that’s what the Prophets have told all the factions within the Covenant Empire:) So, how is it that the Covenant are using Human technology in Halo: First Strike? The same question was posted to Eric Nylund, the author of Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo: First Strike, at HBO. Nylund was asked, [color=white]“Covenant Cruisers scanning with Human frequencies in First Strike: a sign of their technological thievery?”[/color] Nylund responded with, [color=white]“No, actually it is not. It’s something else entirely.”[/color]

Nylund may have given a little too much info away with that answer. If the Covenant aren’t stealing Human technology, then how is it possible that they are using Human technology? The only place the Covenant get their technology from is the Forerunners. If the only place the Covenant get their technology from is the Forerunners, and they are using Human technology, then there is an undeniable connection between the Humans and the Forerunners.

Is this the info needed to prove that the Humans are the Forerunners? I don’t know, we can argue about that in this thread if you like. I just thought it was a small piece of overlooked info that was worth mentioning. Have fun with it, and maybe you’ll reach the Tru7h:)


[color=red]P.S.[/color]
[color=aqua]I have my thoughts as to the possible implications of this, but it would take more than the allowed 10000 chars to explain it. So, I'll be posting my "MAIN" thoughts on this in several future theories of mine:)[/color]

[Edited on 7/7/2004 2:21:48 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 12:39 PM PDT
Subject: ((((Forerunner Human Connection Found))))
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I have no doubt that the Forerunners and humans are closely connected. I Do doubt that the humans ARE the forerunners, simply because the FR are seen by the Covies as Gods and worshipped as such, so why kill the humans if they ARE FR. Big plot whole that would be difficult to explain, and I;d rather see it dealt with another way

  • 07.07.2004 12:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Dobber83
I Do doubt that the humans ARE the forerunners, simply because the FR are seen by the Covies as Gods and worshipped as such, so why kill the humans if they ARE FR.



It has to do with the politics of power and contolling those factions under it:)

  • 07.07.2004 12:47 PM PDT
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and since the Covie's don't know that the humans were forerunners then they wouldn't know to not kill them

P.S. - not saying that they are FR just posing a what if

I always believed spartans to be forerunners just because they are special

  • 07.07.2004 12:53 PM PDT
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That was a damn good notice that definitely ties a connection between the two for me. Personally I think the forerunner are simply evolved humans, but I have no basis behind this theory as to why it is possible for humans to exist now if FR are evolved humans and I never read any of the books yet =( however I think a possible theory is that FR died(possibly from floods?) and somehow the cycle of a new human life began...but I hope they didn't die cuz I would like to meet them In the game, which I think they will be revealed to us at the end.

Or maybe FR are something very similar to humans, but slihgtly different? Who the hell knows....

  • 07.07.2004 12:54 PM PDT
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what if the FR influenced BOTH covies and humans. but the covies got greedy and want all of the FR tech for themselves? thats y they attack us, and y we only share some of the tech

  • 07.07.2004 12:54 PM PDT

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maybe they dont we are forrunner what would be sweet would be if we made the forrunner in the future and they went back in time to create the covenant so that (in the future that hasnt happend but has happend to the forrunner) the covenant arent dominated by humans

woa matrix architet type stuff

  • 07.07.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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Kamikazar I hate that theory. Spartans are the same thing as humans, how could they be different? Under that mask, MC is nothing more than a slightly mutated man who contains the capacity to undergo cybernetic enhancements via the spartan armor. Or maybe I am wrong?

[Edited on 7/7/2004 12:57:21 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 12:57 PM PDT
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marathon still rule

  • 07.07.2004 12:58 PM PDT
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just because they are using the same frequencies doesnt prove anything. for example has anyone ever been on a radio and found that someone else is on that channel?

  • 07.07.2004 12:58 PM PDT
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marathon still rules

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Posted by: Drez
Kamikazar I hate that theory. Spartans are the same thing as humans, how could they be different? Under that mask, MC is nothing more than a slightly mutated man who contains the capacity to undergo cybernetic enhancements via the spartan armor. Or maybe I am wrong?

1. It's Kamizar Watch Sealab 2021 you'll get it(Red Dawn episode)
2. Spartans are spartans for a reason they aren't random joe's who won a goverment lottery

  • 07.07.2004 1:00 PM PDT
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spartan is -blam!-... :) join ThElitemee HEhehhehehehhe

  • 07.07.2004 1:01 PM PDT
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Ok well if you want another connection I may have found one earlier today. It had to do with the AI that Cortana found on the Ascendent Justice in FS. It talked about how it seemed familiar to her. And seeing as how the covie imitate technology they probably took it from the FR's. Heres the thread if you wanna read it:

here

  • 07.07.2004 1:01 PM PDT
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smoking gun quote by 343 guilty spark when inside the PoA while playing The Maw
"...to have a record of our lost time, human history is it?"
thats the biggest proof

  • 07.07.2004 1:02 PM PDT

Posted by:MeesterME
Ok well if you want another connection I may have found one earlier today. It had to do with the AI that Cortana found on the Ascendent Justice in FS. It talked about how it seemed familiar to her. And seeing as how the covie imitate technology they probably took it from the FR's. Heres the thread if you wanna read it:



Would the Covenant copy something from the Humans who are a front to the Forerunner religion? It would go against everything we've been told abou the Covenant religion:)

[Edited on 7/7/2004 1:05:34 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 1:04 PM PDT
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I think that the MC gets another crystal and screws with time again. That's why he always "remembers" Covie stuff. Because the future him has seen it. That also explains Guilty Sparks references to him as reclaimer and that weird line in the cut scene:

"You asked me before if it was my choice would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your question my answer remains the same. We must activate the ring."

Or something like that. The MC must have traveled through time from the future to way before the ring was destroyed and talked to Guilty Spark.

  • 07.07.2004 1:06 PM PDT
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The Prophets are the ones who know the most about the forrunners because they lived on a planet previously occupied by the forerunners. They are also the people who declared the war on the Humans. What if theprophets told the rest of the covies some reason to kill the Humans, but had a reason of their own, kill us before we get to powerful. If we are some how related to the races they consider their Gods but they are more powerful than us. They would want to destroy us out of jealousy and out of fear.

  • 07.07.2004 1:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Bubbaduck
just because they are using the same frequencies doesnt prove anything. for example has anyone ever been on a radio and found that someone else is on that channel?


I use the term "human technology" because that it the words used in the question posted to Eric Nylund at HBO. Either way, it would still be against the Forerunner religion. Anything the Humans use would be forebiden by the Prophets.

  • 07.07.2004 1:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kamizar
Posted by: Drez
Kamikazar I hate that theory. Spartans are the same thing as humans, how could they be different? Under that mask, MC is nothing more than a slightly mutated man who contains the capacity to undergo cybernetic enhancements via the spartan armor. Or maybe I am wrong?

1. It's Kamizar Watch Sealab 2021 you'll get it(Red Dawn episode)
2. Spartans are spartans for a reason they aren't random joe's who won a goverment lottery


Spartans were chosen to be spartans from early childhood because of the LIKELIHOOD that they would become great soldiers and be able to survive the inevitable alterations they endured. Spartans are normal humans who have undergone incredibly intensive training from when they were children. They were given the alterations (Unbreakable bones, increased strength, etc.) Long BEFORE they got the Mjiolnir armor. They had to have these abilities to even use the armor without killing themselves. And nearly half of the spartans died while receiving the alterations, so they arent' special except for the training and what they had done to em. There's nothing there to separate them as Forerunners from any other human.

  • 07.07.2004 1:16 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Human Connection Found

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  • 07.07.2004 1:21 PM PDT
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sorry but... who know what the covenats religion say? i think covenants are stupid and then kill humans just for ideals... but i have no info about covenants religion... i know that Elites and jackals may be came from the same planet because have the same blood... i think that the Forerunners are something like covenats... so aliens... but differents because they had contacts with all the races... flood included... may be in a past a human spaceship did the same thing of the POA... but without covies... may be forerunners are humans... may be humans are just a part of them...

  • 07.07.2004 1:27 PM PDT
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[color=silver]Umm...I don't know what Shishka meant by that, but I'm here to shoot down these theories. Sorry.

1. The Covenant were scanning on human frequencies to find human radio communications. They were only doing that to find and destroy and human targets.
2. The Covenant's AI seemed familiar because the Covenant copied the human's shipboard AI technology. They copied the base lines and algorithms. That's why it sparked a memory in Cortana.
3. The Covenant want to destroy us because we are inhabiting planets that the Forerunners previously inhabited. They think of the Forerunner's planets as a "Holy Land," and want to search them for artifacts (such as the crystal found on Reach).[/color]

[Edited on 7/7/2004 1:38:09 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 1:28 PM PDT

Posted by:TumblingDice82
1. The Covenant were scanning on human frequencies to find human radio communications. They were only doing that to find and destroy and human targets.
2. The Covenant's AI seemed familiar because the Covenant copied the human's shipboard AI technology. They copied the base lines and algorithms. That's why it sparked a memory in Cortana.


Again, both of these explantions are against the Forerunner religion. Humans are vile creatures who's destruction is the will of the Gods, remember. To use/copy the technology of that which the Prophets have declared to be against the Forerunners is a contradiction:)

Oh, one more thing. If the Covenant are cleansing the planets once inhabbited by the Forerunners, as you are suggesting in point 3, then it wouldn't make since to use what the Prophets have declared to be unclean.


[Edited on 7/7/2004 1:40:44 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 1:37 PM PDT
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[color=silver]We know nothing of the Forerunner religion. The Covenant are imitative, not innovative, so they copy technology all the time. I think they copy human technology several times in the books...the AI being one of them.

Then what about the crystal on Reach? Have you read the books? They used that crystal, even though it has obviously been handled by humans, seeing as it's in a museum.[/color]

[Edited on 7/7/2004 1:44:54 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 1:40 PM PDT

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