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Subject: Forerunner Human Connection Found

If there is anything we know of the Covenant religion, it is that they find the Humans in breach to Forerunner religion.

"YOUR DESTRUCTION IS THE WILL OF THE GODS". There isn't much room for interpritation there. It's plain and simple.

The Covenant copy/steal/assimilate all technology within the parameters of their religion. How do I know this, it's because Covenant technology is taken/copied from the Forerunners. This is stated in the Covenant Primer:)

  • 07.07.2004 1:46 PM PDT

As to your edited part. Yes I've read the books:) The crystal you are referring to is Forerunner technology... it's not Human. Yes, the Humans have come in contact with it, but that doesn't add anything to your point. The Covenant are cleansing the universe of the Humans, not of Forerunner technology. It's the same as in the Bible when the Ark of the Covenant is stollen. The Jews don't destroy it because it has been handled by someone outside their religion. They take it back:)

  • 07.07.2004 1:51 PM PDT
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We know plenty about the Covenant religion. But we know nothing of the Forerunner religion (which you were talking about a few posts ago). The Covenant created their own religion, having Forerunners as god-like beings, and went on to assimilate as much technology as possible. They hate the humans for interfering with their search for answers.
The Forerunner religion and the Covenant religion are probably different.

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  • 07.07.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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First of all before you shoot something down that I say at least read it first I never said anything about the covenant using Human AI. I was saying that sense the covenant only imitate technology that was found from the forerunners that the AI must have been found from the forerunners as well. I was just saying that if the AI was similar to the Humans and it was created in the same way as Human smart AIs were created( by using brain pathways and things of that sort) that the Forerunners brains at least are similar to Humans. If not more. Of course we dont know how they got the AI and on top of that how the Forerunners created it if thats where the covenant modeled it from. So plz ext time read my thread which I posted right below it.

  • 07.07.2004 1:55 PM PDT
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I did read your thread. You said that Cortana found the Covenant's AI to be familiar. It's familiar because it follows the same basic rules and processes. It does that because they copied the human technology.

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But the crystal is now unclean, seeing as the dirty humans have handled it. I never said they were cleansing the universe of Forerunner tech.

PS-sorry for the double post

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  • 07.07.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dobber83
I have no doubt that the Forerunners and humans are closely connected. I Do doubt that the humans ARE the forerunners, simply because the FR are seen by the Covies as Gods and worshipped as such, so why kill the humans if they ARE FR. Big plot whole that would be difficult to explain, and I;d rather see it dealt with another way


I have no idea how many times i have mentioned that the FR are the humans but when someone else writes it its a hit... And i think they would kill the humans because the covies are afraid that if the humans find out they are the forerunners then they would use that power against them... I mean why else would those crytals things only be found on human planets? and how come the only person who can be the reclaimer is human?!

  • 07.07.2004 2:00 PM PDT
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Covenats didn't know anything about the ring..... the halo... forerunners are forerunners...
and sentinels and GP are not foreunners... they are just stupid metal they didn't know anything about humans... because when GP read the PoAs cpus he is surprise about the humans acquaintances... GP is only a small flying son of a -blam!-... and cortana knows all about all... nothing is more technological than humans dermal suits... i'm scared about forerunners they kept flood in a fortress world... and ask to some robots to guard the fortress... robots can because they don't have biomass... GS is too stupid to be a forerunner...

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Again the covenant would never use Human technology. It goes against everything in their religion so no they did not copy human AI.

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Yes, they will not use human technology. I am aware of that. But they found something they liked in all of the inferior clumps of metal. They copy and imitate to become superior. If the humans have something the Covenant doesn't have, the Covenant copies and gets it, to take away the slight advantage.

  • 07.07.2004 2:06 PM PDT

To all the post dealing saying the the Covenant use all technologies, including Human technology, I give you this. It was taken from the Covenant Primer:)



The Primer states that the Covenant Empire were "originally" held together by the advancements in technolgy and culture. Since then, the Covneant have become a single hegemonistic culture who findThe evident technological perfection of Forerunner objects, and the awesome, and unknowable purpose for which these artifacts exist, has powered the Covenant theology for millennia. NO other technology is mentioned to be used to power the Coveant Empire since they have become a hegemonistic culure.




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  • 07.07.2004 2:09 PM PDT
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Okay. I believe you. But still, it seems like there was some instant in the story where the Covenant used human tech. Thanks for the great debate, you guys. It's been too long.

PS-please give me a link or tell me where to find the Covenant Primer. I want to read it, because I've never heard of it before. Yes, call me stupid :p

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  • 07.07.2004 2:14 PM PDT

The role of the Prophets, for as long as can be recalled, is to archive, explore and locate Forerunner technology and artifacts.The pact between the Elites and the Prophets allows the Prophets to advance their search through conquest and occasionally assimilation of species whose homeworlds or solar systems contain Forerunner architecture or technology

This was also taken from the Covenant Primer. The only technology copied or assimilated is Forerunner technology found within their homeworlds or solar system. They do not use the assimilated species technology:)

  • 07.07.2004 2:15 PM PDT
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PLEASE!!! I'm begging you! Please tell me where to read it!
(Man, I need a job...)

[Edited on 7/7/2004 2:19:16 PM]

  • 07.07.2004 2:17 PM PDT

HERE

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  • 07.07.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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Thanks, but I'll have to read it later. My clan is calling. I'll be sure to come back soon!

  • 07.07.2004 2:21 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner Human Connection Found
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But..then why dont we have the technology? why wouldnt we be using it?

  • 07.07.2004 2:26 PM PDT

The Forerunner technology the Humans do have isn't understood. For instance, the crystal found under ONI Section 3 at Reach.

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so both humans and covenats are forerunners seekers... but there must be something about the red blood race in forerunners artifacts...and in halo 2 we will see the double pistols fire again... pam pam pam pam pam pam... where are the pale lime green blood aliens...

  • 07.07.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Hey I found another connection, read my thread. This comes straight from a video released by Bungie. The thread is here http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=291971

  • 07.07.2004 3:00 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner/Human Connection Found

"We at Orbital Artillery are often said to have a 'God' Complex. We would like to set the record straight: We do not consider ourselves 'Gods'...
...We did however borrow his 'Smite' button."

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I think that the humans are actually forerunners. Well ancestors of them. That would explain (if you had read the books) why all of those symbols on Sigma Octanus and on Reach looked familiar to the Master Chief. I came to this conclusion by this path...
1.The Forerunners were at war with an early covenant.
2.The Flood got out of control and wiped out most of the Forerunners.
3.The remaining Forerunners happened to lock away the Flood and flee to Earth.
4.The Covenant were losing at this war, so when the Forerunners left for Earth, they withdrew to their homeworld to recover.
5.Now the Forerunners have forgotten their heritage and the covenant want to kill them all BEFORE they remember what they used to be.

It may be a little complex and far fetched, but there are alot of supporting facts for this theory. Sorry for the misspellings but I had to type fast.

  • 07.07.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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So what happened to all the technology on earth. And if they were at war with the covies why do the covies now worship them?

  • 07.07.2004 3:16 PM PDT
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I don't know if anyone has already said this or not, but I believe the Forerunners are something that hasn't been seen in the game yet. It's not a human, a Spartan, a Covenent soldier, or even a robot (343 Guilty Spark). I don't think we'll get our first glimpse of a Forerunner until either the end of Halo 2 or possibly in Halo 3.

  • 07.07.2004 3:21 PM PDT

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