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Posted by: Leela
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That does mean that the mods would have to read just about every thread and every post, just to make sure everyone gets what he deserves.

The thread could be PM'ed or mailed to them.


Fair enough.

Know what... why don't i throw in a crazy idea: sponsorship. pay like ten dollars a year, and people get access to extra avatars and forums..... ..... .... .... .... ....


I was already to subcribe to that too...

And then it turned out to be a joke!


B.net subcriber or advanced or whatever? Wasn't that an april fool's joke two years ago?

I loved that...

  • 04.09.2005 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Fragula
Well, your old account is still valid, surely?


No, I closed it, I only have 1 email adress, so I had to if I wanted to get a new one...

You can still see "WaitingforHalo3" On the members list in my groups, but I cant access my account...

  • 04.09.2005 10:21 AM PDT

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Acronos is going to kill me for this. Wait that is quick and painless which is too nice for him. Nope it is definatly a sentance to get ninjafied.

How about instead of a post count can Mods or bungie staff give out points for say good posts or good threads. Or helping out the mods by reporting bad stuff. Basic score card

* Report Spam(double posts, misplaced threads, minor stuff) +5pts

* Report Violation (ofensive words, bad links, viruses) +15pts

* Harassment (constiantly bugging mods about stupid stuff, whining and complaining aobut H2) -5pts.

* Good Post (good replies to a thread, not bumping) +10pts

* Good Thread (Good subject or Thread) +20pts

* Stickied thread (Good thread that gets stickied by Mod or staff in the public forums) +25pts

* Great Group (Founded a great Bungie.net Group) +100pts.

Of course only Bungie.net mods and Bungie Staff give out points and point system will be invisible to everyone but the mods and staff so there will be no competition between the members sience they cannot tell what their score is untill they get a certian level and have their title changed. Also points are only given by the mods and staff so a member cannot just spam his way or get his buddies to spam his feedback up to another level. Well I know this is all impossible but it is a better alternitive to a post/thread count. Heck anything including not haveing one is better than that.


To be bland, ^ stupidest (not proper english) thing I've seen you post, lol.


I am going to have to agree with Josher 35 here.


Well I guess the mods won't be able to read all posts so should there be an XB0X LIVE "style feed back for the forum? (I think I hear shouts and screams of NO!)

  • 04.09.2005 10:42 AM PDT
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I don't see how something like a point system could be fairly implimented. Mods would have to read every single thread to make sure people get what they deserve.

  • 04.09.2005 7:23 PM PDT

Posted by: marinealver
* Report Spam(double posts, misplaced threads, minor stuff) +5pts

* Report Violation (ofensive words, bad links, viruses) +15pts


This would breed problems. A lot of people accasionally give mods links to bad threads ect, and this is fine. However being rewarded for this would cause people to report EVERYTHING. The majority of users would not be below giving a link to threads that have nothing wrong with them just to get some bonus points.


* Harassment (constiantly bugging mods about stupid stuff, whining and complaining aobut H2) -5pts.


The mods can give these users warnings, no need.

* Good Post (good replies to a thread, not bumping) +10pts

* Good Thread (Good subject or Thread) +20pts

* Stickied thread (Good thread that gets stickied by Mod or staff in the public forums) +25pts


Rewarding people for making good threads would not be benificial. We already have people begging for their threads to be stickied in the first place, and god knows what would happen if you started rewarding people for their threads. It would both increase the begging problem (Example: "GIVE ME POINTS FOR MY THREAD!"), and the bumping problem (Example:"I don't want my thread to die so I can get points!).

  • 04.09.2005 8:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Banshee Barron
(Example:"I don't want my thread to die so I can get points!).


Bastard you made my thread go on page 2. Don't worry though, I'll fix that with a bump, lol.

  • 04.09.2005 8:42 PM PDT
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I would hate to compare the incredible Bungie.net forums with the lowly Apple discussions, but if you haven't checked them out, they have an excellent system to reward the more experienced and knowledgable users. They combine a voting system with your total number of posts to provide users with different "Levels." Right now there are four levels. The higher the level, the more votes you get, potentially custom avatars, special forums for only the higher levels, and the illustrious "lounge access." Maybe something like this could be fit for Bungie?

[Edited on 4/9/2005]

  • 04.09.2005 9:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: True Mac Addict
Maybe something like this could be fit for Bungie?


*Envisions forums flooded 5 pages deep with threads offering to trade votes*

You have to remember the absolute scale of kids on B.net, apparently, most posters weren't even mature enough for colours.

  • 04.09.2005 9:57 PM PDT

Considering that the Apple discussions forums are relatively quiet places where generally normal people go in order to receive specialist community-based tech support, I don't think the same sort of system could work here. For one thing, the (actual and psychological) average age of the Apple discussions users is about 15 years higher than it is here. For example, when someone experience a problem with their computer (or, for instance, they're expectations weren't met for some reason), they say things like, "Is there a simple way around this problem?" and if there isn't, they say, "Well, I'm sure Apple is aware of this problem and are working to fix it now." That's right, they don't yell, "OMG APLE CN GO TO HELL!!!!11!! EMACS SUX!!1" and the like.

Incredible, isn't it?

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  • 04.10.2005 2:30 AM PDT

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Incredible is an understatement :D

The Kama levels and Mod points really won't work. You can't ensure that people wouldn't abuse the system. Also, people who really deserve them may not get the points they deserve.

The level idea is out for reasons discussed above.

I honestly can't think of a system that could be impliamented for such numbers and would be fair for all. Even the membership date system would have it's floors.

Perhaps a council like that of the 7th column (being discussed)? It could come up with a list of members who have been active, kind, helpful etc. maybe like every month? I know there are loads and loads of members but only a select few are actually very active. Even this system would have floors (Certain members who deserve it not getting recognised etc) but it's really the best i can come up with at the moment.

  • 04.10.2005 3:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gods Prophet
Incredible is an understatement :D

The Kama levels and Mod points really won't work. You can't ensure that people wouldn't abuse the system. Also, people who really deserve them may not get the points they deserve.

The level idea is out for reasons discussed above.

I honestly can't think of a system that could be impliamented for such numbers and would be fair for all. Even the membership date system would have it's floors.

Perhaps a council like that of the 7th column (being discussed)? It could come up with a list of members who have been active, kind, helpful etc. maybe like every month? I know there are loads and loads of members but only a select few are actually very active. Even this system would have floors (Certain members who deserve it not getting recognised etc) but it's really the best i can come up with at the moment.

I like this idea. Jut keep things the way it is, and whenever someone should do something great and it is noticed, he gets a price/thing/whatever.
Sure this means that not everyone who deserves extra "privileges" gets it, but it would also make sure that those who DON'T, won't get it either.

  • 04.10.2005 6:10 AM PDT

I think the only system that could feasibly work on such a large scale would have to be invisible, at least for the start. For instance, if the mods had a system where they could click next to a post to add a point to someone's profile. That user would have no way of knowing that he had just been recognized (at least for the first few months). When you reach, say, 30 points, your status increases, which opens access to all the stuff mentioned on here already.

I don't think that the issue of "just" distribution of privledges would be a problem because a) it would be invisible (for the initializing of the system) and b) the members who I would consider worthy (like VII Toast) are so active that the mods would be blind not to see his name covering the "last post" column. It is true that some really helpful posts would be missed. (Often, I am the only reply to someone asking a very specific question. Then, my link to a HBO post long ago is very helpful, but very likely to dissapear off the mod's motion tracker very quickly because of the one reply)
Hopefully, the active members would be obvious to the mods.

Of note is the reliability of post frequency as an indicator of helpfulness and activity. If data was collected for that, it may be shown to be very reliable. Most people who come here occasionally or spam the forums aren't active for long, so post frequency over the active lifetime of a user could be very accurate. However, without testing, the tru7h is shrouded.

Then again, that system would likely require a lot of the Overlord's time, which is clearly better spent on other things (like a search function). Therefore, think the best system would be one where only people who have been members for over 6 months are able to be considered and mods have the ability to "nominate" them. When, say, half the mods have noted a user as worthy, the new rank is gained. That way, only a small amount of extra work is delegated to the mods.

Or, perhaps we are underestimating the mods? Maybe, off the top of the heads, they could each easily name a few users who they would deem worthy. If they can do that for at least the initial group, a tier system could be formed with feedback controls for the promoted ones.

This issue is too complicated and I'm not getting paid to think about it. Time to do some homework!

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  • 04.10.2005 9:07 AM PDT

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Chairleg Productions presents: 'Console Wars' and 'Games as Art?' (also on Halo Waypoint).

Good idea. However, i feel that moderators have enough on their plates. Doing this would just add to their work load. perhaps a system such as this could be be used but with a sesct, secret council deciding rather than Mods.

  • 04.10.2005 11:24 AM PDT
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People should just get a point every day if they log on. Simple I guess. And you can save up points to "buy" stuff like new avatars and other stuff. If you got points for posting stuff the forums would be even more flodded. People would also feel the need to flame more just to get more "points". I am wrong aren't I?

[Edited on 4/10/2005]

  • 04.10.2005 2:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gorgerwert
People should just get a point every day if the log on.

That will cause people to log on/out every five minutes. some how i doubt that that will work.

  • 04.10.2005 3:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Gorgerwert
People should just get a point every day if the log on.

That will cause people to log on/out every five minutes. some how i doubt that that will work.


I said one point for (((((each day))))) not every time. Please read more carefully before responding.

For example if i log on 37 times on friday i get one point. If i log on 1 time in friday i get one point. Get it yet?

  • 04.10.2005 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gorgerwert
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Posted by: Gorgerwert
People should just get a point every day if the log on.

That will cause people to log on/out every five minutes. some how i doubt that that will work.


I said one point for (((((each day))))) not every time. Please read more carefully before responding.

For example if i log on 37 times on friday i get one point. If i log on 1 time in friday i get one point. Get it yet?

thou speketh the 7ruth. I apoligise. (mind the spelling). However, it still comes down to one thing: being a member for long enough will get you things, even if you're a jerk and more of a problem than a helpfull member.

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  • 04.10.2005 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
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thou speketh the 7ruth. I apoligise. (mind the spelling). However, it still comes down to one thing: being a member for long enough will get you things, even if you're a jerk and more of a problem than a helpfull member.


Every time a user is blacklisted or if a mod thinks they did something wrong they should lose 30 points which is a months worth and is a lot. Or however many bungie thinks is nescesary. (i can't spell either)

thanks, your idea made mine stronger. : )

  • 04.10.2005 3:59 PM PDT

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One of the reasons why I would only alow the mods to gview and give feedback is to try ad stop thoes people from looking for flaws and gaps such as bumping and other stuff to get promoted. Only mods and staff can give points so it won't matter how many post or threads someone makes. As far as reporting it already seems like everything gets reported. But for schemes like makeing a bad thread just to report it for points will actually backfire because they will get penilized far more than the point worth.

However I do get the concern every one will try to point whore rather than just improve the quality of their posts and threads. Which is why I would only allow mods and staff to view points that way nobody would tell who was ahead or how close (or futher) they were away from getting a special title.

  • 04.11.2005 10:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: SketchFactor
I know exactly what you mean and this is something we've been kicking around for a while... how do we "reward" our longstanding members who contribute positively to our site? Avatars could be one way of doing that. This idea is one thing on our long list of stuff we'd love to do someday. Unfortunately it's not quite that easy...anything I dream up, Achronos has to figure out how to actually implement. =) What other stuff do you think would be cool?

For example - a "private" forum, only accessible by members who achieve a certain rank? The ability to use color signatures? Special avatars? Special titles?

The tricky part is also creating and managing the system that decides who is what "rank." While being a member for X days, months or years is certainly part of it, it's not the whole picture. We want people who are contributing - making worthwhile forum posts, helping people out, submitting news and are just active in general on the site - making our overall community a better place.

for the rank part could you make me a Forum Jester?

  • 04.11.2005 11:31 AM PDT
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all this brain talk is hurting my Forum Jester's head

  • 04.11.2005 11:37 AM PDT

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The point system, like most systems we suggest all have fatal floors. Mostly it's people who would abuse or wrongfuly take advantage of the system.

Unless someone can come up with a fantastic system that would work, couldn't be abused etc. i guess we'll just have to stick with the given ones and wait for new, up-dated avatars.

  • 04.11.2005 11:41 AM PDT
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well, what if you had other members of the community give points. For example,( ill use Snowmanaxt) I read Snowmans thread, i like it, and i decide to give him a point. Now he cant give himself a point and i can only give him one point a day. Or something like that.

  • 04.11.2005 11:52 AM PDT

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they're called Mod points and = kama levels. (at least on the the roosterteeth forum)

I guess, as was said above, the problem is if people can be bothered to give points to all who deserve and as much as they deserve. they may also abuse the system, which can be done very easily. Like most systems, it does have advantages such as if people didn't abuse it and actually used it, it would be great. Unfortunatly, there's always some who spoil this and unfortunatly make it very hard to think of a decent system that they can't abuse.

  • 04.11.2005 12:35 PM PDT
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Here ill put my ideas together nicely.

1. You get one point a day if you make at least one post. This means if you make 34643 posts you still get only one point. This will make it harder to take advantage off. This will also cause inactive members that started thier account a long time ago not to get points if its just for how long thier account has been active.

2. If a moderator sees you do something like spam or unnecesary flaming you lose 30 points which is a lot.

3. Every time you get 7 points in a row or a week of getting online you get 5 bonus points.

4. you can use your points to buy things like avatars and whatever else bungie would have in mind. However, there should be a points accumulated counter that shows how many points you've accumulated regardless of how much you've spent. These could be used to gain access to special forums. These forums would probably have more mature people and less spamming. That would be nice for us all.

5. People could brag about thier total accumulated point counter but when a moderator takes away points, points are taken away from the overall counter.

-Also if you were to brag about it you are an immature fool the needs to grow up and everyone would know it.

Mods, please tell me what you think of this idea. I like it at least but you may have a different opinion or some technical reason it can't be implemented. I know little about computers.

  • 04.12.2005 3:44 PM PDT