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Subject: The 7th Column Council
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I have sent SketchFactor a PM. It was a good PM.

  • 05.01.2005 3:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rip Saw
I have sent SketchFactor a PM. It was a good PM.


That is good. He hasn't been on for a few days though so we can't expect an immediate answer.

  • 05.01.2005 3:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlackEye319
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Ok. The mods are absolutely Bungie's choice. Council members should not have the ability to do anything in the main forums at all. The forums are not the column.
I like the idea of council members having free reign over any chapter (except those maybe marked as do notr enter AKA HFCS), no restrictions. That's the only way they could check out a chapter without the founder knowing, sort of like a surprise inspection.
I feel that a couple of months of being here is absolutely necessary to be on the council. Sure, some people are really super and cool, but they COULD fake it for a month, I've seen some pretty tenacious trolls.

I think that if you were asked to be a Mod, but are a member of the Council, you should have to either resign your place at the Council or refuse Modship.I agree. mods won't have time for the council and vise verse. Plus, giving someone THAT much power may not be good for them. Imagine suddenly getting that level of mail.

If they don't support us in this, then it would probably be very difficult to do this by ourselves.Apparently, Sketch really wants this to happen. If we didn't have the support of bungie, I surely wouldn't be doing this.

As for revising the list, let's just determine what the counsil will do first. Why would you vote/back someone into a position of power not knowing what power they will have? That woul be foolish.

We really ought to have a full list of powers we want council members to have somewhere. A new post maybe? By someone who is willing to update it daily, maybe twice daily? It would basically mean the creation of another thread to discuss solely the powers the coucil would be granted. Do I hear any seconds?


Well, yeah, it is Bungie's choice to decide who becomes a moderator. And we shouldn't have any more privs then the next person, like you said.

I am just super-glad that Sketch wants this to happen. If it wasn't for that, then this wouldn't work out. But how are we going to make another thread based on this?

I was just thinking this for what the Council can do:
* Update The Community section if necessary.
* Put groups in the Spotlight.
* Get news and information on groups.
* Answer any good FAQs about groups and such.
* And maybe, be able to browse certain groups.


Agreed. Maybe even make the Community section more like the old 7th column mainpage.

  • 05.01.2005 3:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rip Saw
Ok. The mods are absolutely Bungie's choice. Council members should not have the ability to do anything in the main forums at all. The forums are not the column.
I like the idea of council members having free reign over any chapter (except those maybe marked as do notr enter AKA HFCS), no restrictions. That's the only way they could check out a chapter without the founder knowing, sort of like a surprise inspection.
I feel that a couple of months of being here is absolutely necessary to be on the council. Sure, some people are really super and cool, but they COULD fake it for a month, I've seen some pretty tenacious trolls.

I think that if you were asked to be a Mod, but are a member of the Council, you should have to either resign your place at the Council or refuse Modship.I agree. mods won't have time for the council and vise verse. Plus, giving someone THAT much power may not be good for them. Imagine suddenly getting that level of mail.

If they don't support us in this, then it would probably be very difficult to do this by ourselves.Apparently, Sketch really wants this to happen. If we didn't have the support of bungie, I surely wouldn't be doing this.

As for revising the list, let's just determine what the counsil will do first. Why would you vote/back someone into a position of power not knowing what power they will have? That woul be foolish.

We really ought to have a full list of powers we want council members to have somewhere. A new post maybe? By someone who is willing to update it daily, maybe twice daily? It would basically mean the creation of another thread to discuss solely the powers the coucil would be granted. Do I hear any seconds?


Well, yeah, it is Bungie's choice to decide who becomes a moderator. And we shouldn't have any more privs then the next person, like you said.

I am just super-glad that Sketch wants this to happen. If it wasn't for that, then this wouldn't work out. But how are we going to make another thread based on this?

I was just thinking this for what the Council can do:
* Update The Community section if necessary.
* Put groups in the Spotlight.
* Get news and information on groups.
* Answer any good FAQs about groups and such.
* And maybe, be able to browse certain groups.


Agreed. Maybe even make the Community section more like the old 7th column mainpage.


Maybe we could also do that. Like, maybe the people could advertise their group once in that area. And I like that idea of having a poll on the left. I also liked seeing that chapter awards area along with some others.

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  • 05.01.2005 3:14 PM PDT
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Ok, our ideas are coming along nicely. Once the final list is complete, the voting/nominations of the members of the council will comense.

H47 ;-)

  • 05.01.2005 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: H47
Ok, our ideas are coming along nicely. Once the final list is complete, the voting/nominations of the members of the council will comense.

H47 ;-)


How are we going to vote though? I think we should wait a while before we make up our minds completely. It is going to be immensly difficult to narrow it down.

  • 05.01.2005 3:39 PM PDT
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Here is a possibility for the look of the proposed new Column page.

[Edited on 5/1/2005]

  • 05.01.2005 3:51 PM PDT
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It won't be easy, but it will have to happen eventually.

H47 ;-)

  • 05.01.2005 3:51 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Rip Saw- I agree 100% about them needing to be here for a few months at least. The longer, the better. Before the New Hotness would be perfect.

  • 05.01.2005 3:58 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Ok. So what is out list of all the tasks the council will preform as of right now?

  • 05.01.2005 3:59 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

BlackEye- you make a good point. However, I think that we should get a list (about 25 people) and instead of taking people from the list and seeing if they'd be good ofr the council, see who wouldn't ba good. That way the list gets smaller and easier to manage. Then, once we're down to the last few people, it won't be difficult to pick who goes on.

EDIT: Sorry. Didn't mean to triple post there.

[Edited on 5/1/2005]

  • 05.01.2005 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
BlackEye- you make a good point. However, I think that we should get a list (about 25 people) and instead of taking people from the list and seeing if they'd be good ofr the council, see who wouldn't ba good. That way the list gets smaller and easier to manage. Then, once we're down to the last few people, it won't be difficult to pick who goes on.

EDIT: Sorry. Didn't mean to triple post there.


Okay, we should make a list of people on this thread or anything else that seem dedicated to this.

This was my list:
* Update The Community section if necessary.
* Put groups in the Spotlight.
* Get news and information on groups.
* Answer any good FAQs about groups and such.
* And maybe, be able to browse certain groups.

Oh and Psyched, that looks good if we could changed the pencil marks into text.

[Edited on 5/1/2005]

  • 05.01.2005 4:04 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

What about the News, Avatars, and themes? I definantly think the Council should have a say in themes.

Mabye the Column could have its own News section?
Will the Council have any distinguishing factors? Like for instance, will the tag that says "Member" for the Council be changed to "7th Column Council Crew" or something?

(I'm just throwing out ideas hoping I get a good one along the way)

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  • 05.01.2005 4:13 PM PDT
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Since themes deal with the chapters, maybe that would work. But maybe if a theme looked good, we would have to talk to Sketch about it.

Posted by: Pink Menace
What about the News, Avatars, and themes? I definantly think the Council should have a say in themes.

Mabye the Column could have its own News section?

(I'm just throwing out ideas hoping I get a good one along the way)

  • 05.01.2005 4:14 PM PDT
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Well - we don't need text (unless of course the proposed sections are added). It was only a design.

  • 05.01.2005 4:14 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

I think he was joking, saying that if that was added they might want to add text there instead of that.

  • 05.01.2005 4:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Psyched
Well - we don't need text (unless of course the proposed sections are added). It was only a design.


Yeah I know. I did like the way it looked though. I was joking.

[Edited on 5/1/2005]

  • 05.01.2005 4:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlackEye319
Posted by: H47
Ok, our ideas are coming along nicely. Once the final list is complete, the voting/nominations of the members of the council will comense.

H47 ;-)


How are we going to vote though? I think we should wait a while before we make up our minds completely. It is going to be immensly difficult to narrow it down.

We can't postpone forever. Some strong, solid choices have to be made.

  • 05.01.2005 4:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
What about the News, Avatars, and themes? I definantly think the Council should have a say in themes.

Mabye the Column could have its own News section?
Will the Council have any distinguishing factors? Like for instance, will the tag that says "Member" for the Council be changed to "7th Column Council Crew" or something?

(I'm just throwing out ideas hoping I get a good one along the way)


That's what I mean by making it more like the old column page (and in the image I drew); own news section.

  • 05.01.2005 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: BlackEye319
Posted by: H47
Ok, our ideas are coming along nicely. Once the final list is complete, the voting/nominations of the members of the council will comense.

H47 ;-)


How are we going to vote though? I think we should wait a while before we make up our minds completely. It is going to be immensly difficult to narrow it down.

We can't postpone forever. Some strong, solid choices have to be made.


Are we going to make a new thread for the poll whenever we get a list of the people?

  • 05.01.2005 4:29 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Possibilities...

Update The Community section if necessary.
Put groups in the Spotlight.
Get news and information on groups.
Answer any good FAQs about groups and such.
Be able to browse certain groups.
Promote community events such as LAN party's FANfests, tourney's etc.
Search for community worthy news.
Answer many Bungie and Community questions.
Promote the 7th column
Approve/reject new chapter themes.
Approve/reject new avatars
Interview group founders
Update Column News
(Note that the Council will adapt to changes within the community- once the Council is instated it's powers may change if the need arises)

Anything else?


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Another thing I touched on was the Events system; just public events, not Chapter-exclusive events. Thus, bringing the Community closer.

  • 05.01.2005 4:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
Possibilities...

Update The Community section if necessary.
Put groups in the Spotlight.
Get news and information on groups.
Answer any good FAQs about groups and such.
Be able to browse certain groups.
Promote community events such as LAN party's FANfests, tourney's etc.
Search for community worthy news.
Answer many Bungie and Community questions.
Promote the 7th column
Approve/reject new chapter themes.
Approve/reject new avatars
Interview group founders
Update Column News
(Note that the Council will adapt to changes within the community- once the Council is instated it's powers may change if the need arises)

Anything else?


Not that I can think of at the moment.

  • 05.01.2005 4:31 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Ok. Any objections to this list? I suggust taking off the Avatar rejection and approval- we don't want these Council members becoming overexhausted, do we?
I think it's nessesary that we get something accomplished, like just another fan said, and soon. We can't keep procrastinating. Now if there are no objections within a few hours (I would like sooner, but because of those blasted timezones, some people might be busy), I suggest that we move on to the elections.

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  • 05.01.2005 4:32 PM PDT
Subject: Well, Here Goes! Please Do Not Be Hate The Rip-Saw For This!
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Posted by: Rip Saw
OK, maybe I shouldn't be the one to do this, since I totally didn't even know about this thread until last Friday when it was too late to start posting stuff, but here goes.

From what I heard last time this was brought up, Bungie wanted this to somehow happen on it's own. They didn't want to pick the people, they wanted the people to pick themselves. Maybe this has changed, maybe it hasn't. I doubt it has.

Let us assume for the time being that the members of the council have to be picked by us. That means everyone at Bungie.net, not JUST the elder-folk such as myself (it'll have been a whole three years by the time many of you read this). The simple fact is, it'll be a popularity contest of sorts, but what election isn't? Was John Kerry the most popular this time around? No. Did Bush win because he was the most popular? Yes. I won't get into who would have been a better leader, but the simple fact is that it will be a popularity contest.

Who is popular? Well, the new guys may rally behind some young gung-ho spam-master, but fine. Odds are such a person won't feel like doing what the council requires them to do anyways. So the bad people will be ruled out from the start, or barring that, they will quit after a few days.

Who else is popular? Are people like mrsmiley popular? Yes. Does anyone here dare say mrsmiley isn't one of the hardest working founders ever? Don't say it in front of me, I'll chew you out, royally. The simple fact is that besides the few spam-masters, the new guys know who's a good community member and they know who is not. They won't be foolish about it. They know who to vote for.

I know what many of you are now saying, "Why can't Bungie make it easy on us and pick the members?" Well, obviously, this is a self run organization. As much as I really wouldn't HATE Bungie simply picking the members, I know a council run by the people elected from the people will get listened to and be judged more fair in the eyes of the people. And, sorry to borrow Achronos' hammer of brutal reality smattering (he used it on me once a week back in the day to crush my dreams of a better Bungie.net), but this extends to the mods as well. I'd love to see the mods have a say, but the brutal reality is a lot of people don't seem to like the mods, and a council elected from the mods' choice would be rejected by some of the members (I say sucks to them, but I've been told to be nice and respect the news guys, even the ones who suck).

So, the questions become, how will we vote, and who will we vote for. Since no one seems to want to be the first to jump into the pool and do what needs to be done, I'll answer one of those questions. I'm going to make a list. This list in no way comprises all who are worthy to be nominated. I will miss quite a few people due to them not being a member in a chapter I am a member in. These are not just people I like, these are people I know would be good at being in a council. They are mostly good content monkeys, and I know these people to have good character. They are people who have remained active, and will occasionally be an ancient member who isn't so active. Some of these people I know best from outside of Bungie.net (the chat) and will therefore be included because I'll assume they are active here as well. Please note, due to the time it started to take me, I only searched the members lists of Pandemonium and MSXL. This took a lot longer that I thought it would due to my farkling 1.5 meg connection moving at the pace of a 56k.

akba
Aleph
AlexZander
antiherosk8er
ApoX
Aznbanisher
Banshee Barron
Bestmasterchief
BobBQ
cmwak1
Deathbringer5
Eagle 117
fastmatt
Gaara of Sand
GameJunkieJim
Ghandi 2
gholsbane
Gruntsbane
Halo53
impurity
Jason_4_04
Jeff McRae
Anyone know where JoeyBagaDonuts went?
Josher 35
just another fan
Kappin
littlerat
Louis Wu (honorary title only (like he needs MORE stuff to do!))
Lt Devon
Mandalorianfett5
Maraxus6
marinealver
MilesCPO
Mjolnir Mark VII
mrsmiley
mr bob or die
ObbiQuiet
pablofrogo
PhreakShow
Psyched
Rip Saw (I shall be so bold!)
Rat Nukem
Ross Mills
Simen
Shai Hulud
Sledgefare
snowmanaxt
Stickman Army
Surgika
Tanikaze
VII Toast
WRATHofGOD18

52 people.
1 person added after the fact.

Please note, I know I am missing a ton of good people. As I looked over this list, I had to add 2 names of people I had just remembered seeing in a post! There weren't in my chapters. I really do hate to be the bad guy who makes "the list" but someone has to do it. I am no more qualified to make this list that anyone else, and if you have names you need to see on a list, make your own list. If I forget anyone I'll add them, unless a ton of people get really pissed off at me making this list!

be sure to send me plenty of angry hate-pms since I know a lo of people will be angry. But someone HAD to do it!


heheh i like that part about me...im still here in a way, only im just rarely seen by anyone, and i only post when i deem the time right, and the topic apprioate to be discussed....because let's face it there aren't too many thread's anymore that up hold any great significance to most....i remeber the days when there was sooo much to talk about, and i'd spend countless hour's on this site, talking about halo, and bungie, and other things of the sort...but over the past few month's to a year, its all been pointless jabbering over thing's that dont really concern me or my interest...so i've slowly faded into the darker park of the communitiy, as well as a few others have done as i've seen, and im sure if any of u remember me, and i still keep in touch with those i choose to, that i was quite a handful on the forums back in the day....i still keep my typing and such to the same, because i do not care a thing of what people think of me, and please for future refrence, never judge anyone by anything at the 1st time in meeting them, because u may be totally wrong in your judgment's.



And as u can see im still my old self blabbering on about thing's that dont really matter, as how i used to do a majority of my time here.....but back into the dark corners of the 7thColumn i shall crawl back into...i actually have a party to go to with the webmaster and his smelly gorilla-self....so ttyl, lol....


  • 05.01.2005 4:33 PM PDT