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7 would be an ideal number for the council.

  • 05.02.2005 11:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: Psyched
7 would be an ideal number for the council.


7? ok. Well, two things then:

1) any one agree with this, how many do you think should be on the council?
2) How many should we put on the list for Bungie to choose from?

  • 05.02.2005 11:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Psyched
7 would be an ideal number for the council.


I personally think that 7 is way too few. This council will be searching the entire 7th Column. That's a lot of searching. 12 seems perfect to me.

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  • 05.02.2005 11:41 AM PDT
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The sole purpose of the Column isn't just to prowl through Chapters, it is to sometimes look through more prominent/offensive chapters.

7 has more of a sacred value, but the maximum should be 15.

  • 05.02.2005 11:56 AM PDT
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  • 05.02.2005 11:57 AM PDT

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jeez. three off topic posts in one night!

Anywho, why don't we say 7-15 people in the council, so we have say 20 people in the list presented to Bungie?

  • 05.02.2005 12:07 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Posted by: Psyched
The sole purpose of the Column isn't just to prowl through Chapters, it is to sometimes look through more prominent/offensive chapters.

7 has more of a sacred value, but the maximum should be 15.


Then that's all the more reason to have more then 7 members. And I can name at least one member of the council that doesn't have DSL or Cable. 7 does indeed have a sacred value. However, I would choose efficency over abiding by Bungie lore.

ShapeShifter- That's flattering.

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  • 05.02.2005 12:09 PM PDT
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After looking over everything that was said since I have been gone (only 2 days) I have come to the conclusion that barely anything has been accomplished. Im not trying to be an annoyance, but this continual bickering is going no where. Someone make a final list, PM it or something to as many active members as possible, then let them PM their votes back. But first, the number of members. There are three good choices I can think of. 7, 15, or 20.
But of course, all of this is my opinion, and if I sound like Im trying to be a boss or something its just because I am trying to tell this with a sense of urgency.
LP

  • 05.02.2005 12:28 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Actually, quite a bit has been accomplished. We have decided on the powers of the Council. We're done with that. Now we just need to get the members themselves. Also, this shouldn't be urgent. You don't want to rush projects like this or else they get done incorrectly. I want this to be all done as much as you, but I want it to be done right. I say take as much time as it takes. There should be no urgency at all. It's not like if this doesn't happen right now the 7th Column will disappear.

  • 05.02.2005 12:46 PM PDT
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Well I guess you are right, but I mean, everything just seems to be repeating itself. Whats really bothering me though...and its what I really ment to say, is that none of this seems to be organized. Time i do suppose we have, but its still not going to click all into place the right way without organization...and its definintly going to be hard to be organized without Bungie backing.

  • 05.02.2005 12:51 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Ok. I agree. I say everyone heads to the 7th Column IRC at , oh, say, 6:00PM EST?

  • 05.02.2005 12:57 PM PDT
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I just have one thing to point out about Rip's message post. Rip, you said you wanted each person to explain why they make whatever decision they make, so are you going to post all of the responses here or are you going to be the only one to read them?

  • 05.02.2005 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
Ok. I agree. I say everyone heads to the 7th Column IRC at , oh, say, 6:00PM EST?

IRC not working! GAH!

  • 05.02.2005 1:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pink Menace
Ok. I agree. I say everyone heads to the 7th Column IRC at , oh, say, 6:00PM EST?

IRC not working! GAH!

Gah! I don't think I'll be able to make it! Well if I can't, I'll be there in spirit ;-)

I think Rip has a good idea, I would also help PMing those people. Some of you people need to calm down, the wheels for this are turning, and nothing ever gets done quickly on Bungie.Net. It would really help if Sketch would get back to us though...

  • 05.02.2005 2:00 PM PDT

About the numbers...

No one really knows how much time and work being on this council is going to take, but I’m willing to bet that much of the “ground work” won’t necessarily have to be done by the council members themselves. A lot of the work involved in, for example, searching the entire 7th Column for interesting groups could be done by setting up a weekly thread for individuals within the community to nominate groups worthy of being in the spotlight the following week (just an example). It’s not like council members have too search out each and every individual group; there are more efficient ways of doing that. Looking at it from that angle, I believe that starting with 7 council members, whoever they are, would work. One could always add more council members if need be; however, it would probably be a bit discomforting having to kick excessive members off the council. If the council were to give each chosen member a title for which to carry out specific responsibilities, I think 7 members just might work.

Another thing worth considering is having permanent members on the council, such as the 7 member slots I’ve suggested, and also having rotating council seats available for anyone involved in the community. These rotating seats could be refilled by community vote every (fill in the blank) time period. This would promote involvement in the community, as I’m sure only those who are involved in the community would get voted in to participate on the council’s rotating seats.

Besides the obvious benefits of having an additional 7 council members to help in the work of the council, these rotating council members could have input in things like weekly articles/community news, help in adding fresh ideas to the council and overall community, be given a stake in the overall success of this experiment, and, most importantly, feel as if they are being heard, perhaps rewarded, for their efforts in the community. If these rotating council seats were to work then their seats would need to be equal in number, but limited in individual power, to that of the permanent council members. Having this balance would help to keep the council in check. For example, if the community felt that certain council members were doing a crappy job then the rotating council members could call for a council vote on the issue; their numbers being equal to that of the permanent council members. If the vote were to result with the minimum of a deadlock 50/50 (7 vs. 7), then policy could call for a community vote on the issue at hand; in this case, the issue at hand being certain permanent members being replaced for a not carrying out their responsibilities. Having an equal number of permanent and rotating council members would only help to ensure the efficiency of the council (more numbers), community involvement, and council accountability.

I know this all probably sounds a bit too in-depth for b.net. Nonetheless, it seems as if Bungie does NOT want a hand in the creation and/or successes and failures of this council. Following Bungie’s laid out behavior, the complete responsibility of this council lies at the community’s feet. I feel that laying out such policies as I’ve suggested will only benefit the community by giving its members a stake in the council’s success and actions. Feel free to comment. Oh, and yes... I know I sound as if I’m drunk on the American dream:-)

- Eagle 117


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  • 05.02.2005 2:02 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

I don't really liek the idea of having rotating Council seats. That would be like having rotating Mod seats. One could cause too much damage. I still think that 7 people is too small a number, but Eagle makes a good point. How about 9?

  • 05.02.2005 2:14 PM PDT

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No, actually rotating seats is an interesting idea. Instead of having the same 7-9 people give their ideas, you get fresh blood and new ideas and ways of thinking. It could help keep things "fresh".

  • 05.02.2005 2:16 PM PDT
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Ok. I agree. I say everyone heads to the 7th Column IRC at , oh, say, 6:00PM EST?

IRC not working! GAH!


Why not use the Java one from Subnova.com?

  • 05.02.2005 2:17 PM PDT

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Basicly, we are very close to a conclusion. If you see my list, you can see all the people that have been nominated. Rip-Saw, I and others are going to PM these people (see Rip-saw's previous post).We'll then see who wants to be in this council. We then need to try cut the list down to say 20 odd. Then PM a moderator the list so Bungie and the mods can look over it and get it down to as many people as they want.

  • 05.02.2005 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: MCs Brother
No, actually rotating seats is an interesting idea. Instead of having the same 7-9 people give their ideas, you get fresh blood and new ideas and ways of thinking. It could help keep things "fresh".


I don't like that idea - people will never have enough time to really accomplish anything. "Fresh" ideas could be submitted to the council members anyway.

  • 05.02.2005 2:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
I don't really liek the idea of having rotating Council seats. That would be like having rotating Mod seats. One could cause too much damage. I still think that 7 people is too small a number, but Eagle makes a good point. How about 9?


As opposed to having a destructive member get voted in permanently? I think Eagle's ideas are rather good.

We're gonna have to do some CAREFUL picking, though, for those seven members.

  • 05.02.2005 2:19 PM PDT
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I couldn't agree more, I guess. But maybe I shouldn't have touched the beer aswell, maybe I'll think otherwise in the morning. The beer is also affecting my ability to write proper sentences in english and to actually put something worth of notifying.. However, I think your idea should be a basis for The Council.

Offtopic,

How are you eagle? It's been like ages since we last talked, never got a reply to my email.

;) ,- ApOX

  • 05.02.2005 2:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Pink Menace
I don't really liek the idea of having rotating Council seats. That would be like having rotating Mod seats. One could cause too much damage. I still think that 7 people is too small a number, but Eagle makes a good point. How about 9?


Other than keeping the council accountable, I'm not saying that these rotating members should be given any power. I'm more suggesting that active individuals within the community should being given a chance to have input on a larger scale. Also, I think being voted on to one of these rotating council seats could serve as a community acknowledgment for being an active member. I mean, how else are active members acknowledged around here... waiting to be a mod:-)

- Eagle 117

  • 05.02.2005 2:26 PM PDT

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Thanks for adding me to the list. Anyway to address some of the points that have come up. For one a poll would be impossible to create for voting for these members. I poll can only have 10 entries I believe. The voting process I suggest would be to make a thread for voting and list all the canidates names and let people reply to how they vote for. This system has its flaws but is the best I have been able to come up with. Also 7 people is too small as some people have suggested. All of the good chapters out there would be very time-consuming for a 7 person council to go through. Maybe double that number would be able to do the job. Also I know Rip-Saw touched on the responsibilities of the council but he didn't really outline what they would do in detail (if he did I didn't see the post) So I will give my outline of the council responsibilites:

>To continously update the fanclub page in the community area.

>To promote bungie in whatever way possible

>To bring back health competition to the chapter (which will effect a raise in activity)

>To monitor the growing and/or prospering chapters for a position in the group spotlight

>To update and other pages of b.net that the staff has neglected or abandoned (there are quite a few of these)

>Finally to devote time and effort to there job

Also on a more recent topic rotating council positions would not be a good idea becuase people would be more inclined to do harm to b.net by promoting there own sites or other things on the main pages becuase they would not have to try to uphold there position.

Also I know Rip-Saw and Gods Prophet did not nominate themselves out of modesty but I think they are both excellent canidates for the job so I nominate them.

-Guardian

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  • 05.02.2005 2:32 PM PDT
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Polls should not be done with actual polls, simply posts. Polls are too easily abused and/or manipulated.

Also on a more recent topic rotating council positions would not be a good idea becuase people would be more inclined to do harm to b.net by promoting there own sites or other things on the main pages becuase they would not have to try to uphold there position.


Quite the contrary. By have rotating members, members would be forced to uphold their position to remain in the council.

You must also have not read any of the last pages, because council responsibilities have already be outlined.

  • 05.02.2005 2:59 PM PDT