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I don't get it.

  • 04.09.2005 5:10 PM PDT
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Re-read the update.
:)
I think that so long as they weren't lead pencils, GhostMag and Frankie are both okay. Of course, if they were........

  • 04.09.2005 5:21 PM PDT
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I think there should be a reset levels option, this way you don't have riots outside of Bungie HQ =)

  • 04.09.2005 5:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: fauxfate
I have already written about the stats being reset but it looks like I need to do it again.

Resetting the stats is horrible. The people saying "Hey its a fresh start" and "You'll get it back" and "My win record is messed up because of cheaters" are heartless, arrogant bastards. Like I said in my other message, I only care about my own hard earned, time consuming, cheated on freaking level. Ignore the people who say reset the stats. No one cares about your damn win record, and everyone should forget about the leaderboards. Leave them where they are, I really don't care. The "pro-reseters" just have a big ego.

I have more reason to hate cheaters than anyone, which is why I am satisfied enough with just being rid of them. I want to just forget about it and continue where I left off. Resetting the levels will give the cheaters the last laugh.

Resetting the levels doesn't benefit anyone anyways. You morons saying "Let's find out where I'd really be" are making a completely illogical statement. Here's why. First, the games you won didn't involve cheaters now did they? Second, you're REAL complaint is, "I'm not as high as I should be AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME!" Basically, all you've really lost is TIME. So, thinking logically for a second, you would realize that resetting would only ADD to the amount of time. Time I do not want to spend getting back what I already deserve. I'm willing to spend time bringing 2v2 up to my other levels (17) but that's because I have yet to earn my level in that playlist.

If you want to see you're real level, then you will continue on you're merry little way. If you reset the ranks, you'll be fighting people of all skill levels at level freaking 1! In a sense, you're new levels will be even more inaccurate and false than you're previous ones. Everyone will just start saying, "My win record is not as good because I had to fight good people at level 3!" You people will never be pleased. But you can do right by your true fans, Bungie, and keep the levels where they are. I will lose all love for the good people at Bungie if you reset the stats.

Personally, I like the idea of "hidden" levels, especially if the real goal is to match players of similar skill. Maybe you could make it so that you can only see your own level. (Fancy and everything.) That's the only level you should care about anyway.


I know this was a while back but I want everyone to read this and relize the genuis this guy is putting out, even though what he is saying is so simple. There is no real pointto resetting stats. I look at them personally as a way for me to get the best game I can possible. For me, it dosent mean prestige or honor, for me it is just a way to get the best game. Now, for those who say, "Lets find out where I would actually be", well if you keep the stats where they are you will be at where ever you feel you are meant to be all the more quicker.
The thing is, the cheaters are going to pay for cheating. Whenever they play a game, they are going to be far above where they are supposed to be and not really do that well. It will only frustrate them and therefor make the rest of us happy.

Aside from that, Bungie you guys rock. I would still play your game even if you reset the stats. (I'm not exactly a high lvl muself because I play a lot of costom games). Anyway bungie keep it up love you guys.

[Edited on 4/9/2005]

  • 04.09.2005 5:58 PM PDT
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First of all I don't know why people care about their ranking so much, especially since people played Halo 1 for three years (using xbconnect or something similar) without any levels or rankings. And the fact that there were no levels in Halo 1 made it fun enough to play competitivley without becoming completly obssesed with stats and/or paranoid about losing a level. KEEP LEVELS HIDDEN.

Second, why are all of you retards comlaining saying "If they reset the levels then average people and noobs will have to play level 30's." WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED WHEN THE GAME FIRST RELEASED. Do you think the players with the level 30's turned on their xbox and started at that level, no they had to play noobs anyway to get where they are in the first place. RESET THE LEVELS, ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A CHEATER OR IS MENTALY RETARDED.

  • 04.09.2005 6:09 PM PDT
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cuseman - I would like you to look at your signature.

Thank you.

  • 04.09.2005 6:20 PM PDT
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HEY BUNGIE

i standby

now kick me off of live.

  • 04.09.2005 6:40 PM PDT
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HEY BUNGIE

i standby

now kick me off of live.

  • 04.09.2005 6:42 PM PDT
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Hey mind me asking, seriously SE mr R08070, why do you standby? I really would like to know what draws people to do it. It seems to me it is rather inconsiderate of other people and takes the fun out of the game. Please tell me why you do it? Especially with your signature, saying how you hate newbs, when you yourself have somewhat become one if you standby.

  • 04.09.2005 6:58 PM PDT
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Ignorance is not an excuse, EVER!

it seems a lot of the impetus for cheating is the magical level ranking. why not eliminate the numer just let the server match compatable players. that would remove a lot of the need to cheat. you would have zero to gain, no number to wrongly inflate.

  • 04.09.2005 7:21 PM PDT
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i think resetting the stats would be a great idea. frankie says the ranking just means that you get matched up with players your skill level. well to me thats bull. the rank also shows hard work, which standbyers don't have. also my stats suck so yea...............

  • 04.09.2005 8:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: fauxfate
I'm not complaining about fighting good people if the stats reset. I'll kill them. Don't say "It will only take a week or two to get your levels back, even in the 20s!" Well, gee, maybe in one playlist. Even then you would have to not go to school or work. I have good stats all around (at LEAST 13) and I am proud of that. That took months, not days or weeks. And I didn't play matchmaking all the time. I enjoyed time playing with friends in custom games and training. If I had to get my levels back, I wouldn't have time for that. You have to think of the many people that worked for their ranks, and not just your own win record.

Once again, please Bungie, "hide" the levels. The player should only get to see his own rank. This will probably prevent another mass outbreak of cheaters, because I'm positive that their will be another one if the leaderboards and ranks still exist for others to see.

Now that I think about, resetting would be pointless for another REALLY BIG reason. Cheaters will most likely be back sooner or later. Some ass is going to find a way. And then everyone will want the stats reset again. My God.........I can see it now.


And your precious stats mean what exactly? They're important for what reason? You "worked hard" for what, now? Fame? Glory? The magical prize?

Rank means nothing, buddy. Just a fun number.

  • 04.09.2005 8:12 PM PDT
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SE nr R08070 why do you like to cheat. Do you have no skills at all. You have to cheat to win.

  • 04.09.2005 8:15 PM PDT
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Hey i enjoy cheese,
your a -blam!-,
I did that on purpose idot

  • 04.09.2005 9:59 PM PDT
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how about some real updates, and not some bull s h i t we"ve seen since the god damn stupid game came out!!!!

[Edited on 4/9/2005]

  • 04.09.2005 10:04 PM PDT
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This may seem alittle insaine but in coagulation if you take a tank and ride on the wall nere the red base you go across get some one to throw a frag gernade at u and it will land and ur still crossing over at the top and see a ligted area the leg of the tank should go past the boundery then you will fall and you will spin.Then this is the funny part you will bounce across the map about 5 times and the words "You are bouncing hahaha" will apear on the screen. This is not a joke this is true it happend to me today

  • 04.09.2005 11:00 PM PDT
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Dudes...ok? When Super Mario Bros. 1 (NES) came out, I sat there for DAYS...It was the coolest thing! Oh man, look how REALISTIC mario looks, dude! I can even see his little belly. Wow, it doesn't get any better than this! Broman, I lived through the MUCK BABY! Wolfenstein 3D BLEW MY MIND...HARD! And it just got better as the years passed on, like some fine wine person who makes the wine, stomping the grapes with their nasty ass feet. Some frenchman or something. But I'm getting off track here. All I can say is that I've played a LOT of games, and have always had my favorites, always comparing this and that game to whatever. And lets not forget the SNES/GENESIS battle royale. Oh, wasn't that just rediculous. Which one is better. Genesis does what NintenDon't. Come on, SNES beat the ever loving snot out Genesis. Which is not to say that Genesis didn't have any good games. I can think of several. But just because sonic is faster than mario doesn't mean Genesis is better or more powerful. See, Sonic, he's a two stroke joke. Hes in, he's out, and all he cares about are those golden rings. He'll run through your life like the wind, stealing all your precious wealth, then he'll be out of the "zone" like nobodys business, you dig? But oh, Mr. Mario. He likes to take things slow. He's a true ladies man. He's not so great in the looks department, but he's a smooth operator. Blah blah and all that. My whole POINT, here? Is that of all the games I've played, nothing comes close to Halo 2. And no, its got nothing to do with the hype surrounding the game. I hardly cared. But I've never played a game before that gets you so involved that you become nervous when you're running through a level, or jump out of your seat when you die. Yes, there are FPS's out there that some say are better, that are more involved, and yes, they've been linking up FPS's over the net since the early 90s, I realize this. The part that makes this game shine is that its on a console, and so many more people are going to be exposed to it. That is why I believe this game will be the one by which all other console FPS's will be judged (and PC if the conversion ever occurs) The only bad part about it (And Bungie isn't going to admit it).

There is a drawback to this game, however! so here you have 8 guys, it's rumble pit. Now unless you're some kind of glitching bastard, theres no way off the map. So its you all, and theres no way out. So why are we running around killing each other? I mean, we're all in the same predicament. Lets work together and try to figure this out!

Wow, how much did I type here? Damn, I'm so wasted right now (at the time of this writing, not at work or while driving)

  • 04.09.2005 11:45 PM PDT
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ATTENTION BUNGIE DOODS :

I have this SICK idea for a Halo 2 update, or for Halo 3 or 4 or 5 or whatever.

Check it out, right? Dynamic weather conditions.

I've played many FPS's, and I've never seen this before, so why not be the first?

Ok, so you're on ascention, and it's always snowing lightly. What if, on a random basis, it snowed harder? It would create a very challenging playing field, with limited visibility, or even provide cover. Or, it could rain! Even better, if you're on an alien map, it could start to rain some kind of..Acid rain..type dealie...and you'd have to take cover underneath something.

  • 04.09.2005 11:51 PM PDT
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Ok, heres a post more relevant to the discussion. About the cheaterfixes update...Is there a way NOT to download he update? People who cheat and can only win by cheating..could they just NOT download the update and stay in their normal little -blam!- mode?

  • 04.09.2005 11:53 PM PDT
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Oh yeah, and about cheating. You ppl at bungie seem so "concerned" and thats good! Thats very good. It's a start. But at the same time, you allow people like BIG IR0N MIKE, an OBVIOUS cheater, to sit at the top of the leaderboards for weeks, 610 wins out of 612 games in the "I use standby clan" (He's now changed clans)...So, like a big "we don't care" you let him stand on the winners platform, while he gives us the big one finger salute. How concerned are you again?

Or perhaps he's not cheating, and he's the god damned sickest Halo 2 player on the planet. But I'd say that whatever means it takes to get to level 50, by skills or by being retarded, it requires that you sit there and play all day, all night.

Get a life! WOW!

  • 04.10.2005 12:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: fauxfate
I have already written about the stats being reset but it looks like I need to do it again.

Resetting the stats is horrible. The people saying "Hey its a fresh start" and "You'll get it back" and "My win record is messed up because of cheaters" are heartless, arrogant bastards. Like I said in my other message, I only care about my own hard earned, time consuming, cheated on freaking level. Ignore the people who say reset the stats. No one cares about your damn win record, and everyone should forget about the leaderboards. Leave them where they are, I really don't care. The "pro-reseters" just have a big ego.

I have more reason to hate cheaters than anyone, which is why I am satisfied enough with just being rid of them. I want to just forget about it and continue where I left off. Resetting the levels will give the cheaters the last laugh.

Resetting the levels doesn't benefit anyone anyways. You morons saying "Let's find out where I'd really be" are making a completely illogical statement. Here's why. First, the games you won didn't involve cheaters now did they? Second, you're REAL complaint is, "I'm not as high as I should be AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME!" Basically, all you've really lost is TIME. So, thinking logically for a second, you would realize that resetting would only ADD to the amount of time. Time I do not want to spend getting back what I already deserve. I'm willing to spend time bringing 2v2 up to my other levels (17) but that's because I have yet to earn my level in that playlist.

If you want to see you're real level, then you will continue on you're merry little way. If you reset the ranks, you'll be fighting people of all skill levels at level freaking 1! In a sense, you're new levels will be even more inaccurate and false than you're previous ones. Everyone will just start saying, "My win record is not as good because I had to fight good people at level 3!" You people will never be pleased. But you can do right by your true fans, Bungie, and keep the levels where they are. I will lose all love for the good people at Bungie if you reset the stats.

Personally, I like the idea of "hidden" levels, especially if the real goal is to match players of similar skill. Maybe you could make it so that you can only see your own level. (Fancy and everything.) That's the only level you should care about anyway.


I know this was a while back but I want everyone to read this and relize the genuis this guy is putting out, even though what he is saying is so simple. There is no real pointto resetting stats. I look at them personally as a way for me to get the best game I can possible. For me, it dosent mean prestige or honor, for me it is just a way to get the best game. Now, for those who say, "Lets find out where I would actually be", well if you keep the stats where they are you will be at where ever you feel you are meant to be all the more quicker.
The thing is, the cheaters are going to pay for cheating. Whenever they play a game, they are going to be far above where they are supposed to be and not really do that well. It will only frustrate them and therefor make the rest of us happy.

Aside from that, Bungie you guys rock. I would still play your game even if you reset the stats. (I'm not exactly a high lvl muself because I play a lot of costom games). Anyway bungie keep it up love you guys.


I think some of it is about prestige and honor. Bungie, heres what you need to do. Let me help you out a bit.

Levels really isn't where it's at. It's all about the medals.

Allow individual members to see their number, that's fine!

But if you were to rank the stats according to the number of medals? That would be the way to go. The medals are what really counts. I mean, some WW2 or Vietnam vet isn't going to be like, Oh yah on my 3rd tour I made it to level 25...no he's gonna say, Hey, I won this purple heart for bravery, and a killtacular for blowing charlie out of his bunker.

Of course, you'd have to...not "restructure", but add to the types of medals available. Shooting someone in the back, would be a medal. Or how about grenade kills? That would be nice...you could see whos the best with the grenades!

I am personally QUITE awesome with the grenades. What? You wanna TRY ME?! COME ON I'LL KILL YA! :)

Let's see. Perhaps a medal for a superjump? Or a Double-plasma-stick?

What about if you're crouch-walking and sneak up on someone and kill them. If you sucessfully sneak up on them you get a "stealth" medal, which naturally would be a guys head in a detectives hat and trenchcoat collar. DUH!

Killing a vehicle while you're on foot...that is a skill that takes alot of time to really do well, and is deserving of a medal. I'd call it "UPENDED!" but you may call it differently. It's your perogative.

Shooting someone in the crotch area. Especially sniping them in the crotch. We could call it a "Nut-tacular" which would be great for the older croud, but at the same time the little kids would be thinking about squirrels, so it works out on both levels.

Parents could set Halo 2 to sign off at a certain time of day. So, if you're playing against someone late at night, and they suddenly collapse to the ground, everyone could get the kill, and it would be called a "Mommas boy" medal. Great fun for everyone.

If your team-mate assists you, or vice-versa, in performing a special maneuver, ie. using the sword to get to the top of the wheel on Zanzibar, there could be a special medal for that. A "Teammate assist" and it could be two masterchiefs kissing. Awww.

Someone told me that if you kill someone, then continue to crouch over them, the announcer says "Get a room!" - Thats funny.

But yeah....It should all be about medals.

Man, I'm B-blam!- with ideas, but its 3:30 AM here now, and my brain is fuzz. Bye

  • 04.10.2005 12:29 AM PDT
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Huhh..B-Blam? I wrote "B.r.i.m.m.i.n.g with Ideas"...wtf...so if you said that, without the B, then the word you want to ban is ...yes...strange..-blam!-...-blam!-..B-blam!-..B-blam!-..uhh. yeah

  • 04.10.2005 12:36 AM PDT
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I think the cheating patches and the new maps are cool,but what about new weapons?Like a flamethrower or the fuel rod cannon.... shooting the little gun in the wraith and the cannon in the banshee...how would bungie progress with out me??

  • 04.10.2005 1:03 AM PDT
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i don't know how serious you are about the medals based system, but i think thats one of the worst ideas i've heard in a while for two reasons.
A:There are ways to kill a man that don't give you a medal, but are damn effective
B:In any assault game, if i pick up the bomb and drop it repeatedly i get a medal each time it happens. you could get a 100 medals easy, assuming you don't plan on arming. How about a medal for killing someone with a shotgun or at least a needler, because frankly they are the least trusty weapons in the games.

And about the level reset i am torn: On one hand i have good levels (17,17,5,17,20) despite occational standby-ing, but on the other i have no idea how that relates to the actual players out there (you know, the ones that don't standby/boost/dumby-glitch/throw bomb through walls.) And for the record I boosted one game in a team slayer game to make sure i got my 20 back, since i lost it before to standby. If that makes me a hypocrite then sue me. It took me 2000 games to get those levels, but theres no way in hell it would take me another 2000 if i did it over. I've had this account since nov. 9 when the game came out and now know the maps like clockwork, have a full friends list, and a good clan of people that i've played a lot with. All 3 of those things will probably make the process go 2 to 3 times faster easy.

I don't think the invisible level thing is bad, but truth be told, the leader boards are a good motivator to play especially for clans. (woot 622nd on major! Viva el clan de los dios!) I don't know what bungie says, levels do have at least some prestige. It is a quick way to determine someones talent or at least that they have good friends that play with them (either is useful)

Personally, i think the game finding system needs tweeking. Since cheating should be fixed in the patch, host issues need to be fixed too. Blind us in step 2 and don't let us know who is host, because it should be a coin toss ever game not just whoever keeps leaving games till they get locked in/or lock someone in (even if there is something like standbying, if they don't know if they're host they might hesitate to use it.) Also, fix the "leave lobby" problem while you're at it, becaues it's annoying to finally get a match starting they they back out.

BOOSTING SUCKS! Please do something about clans playing themselves and forefeiting quickly. I'm not sure what you can do about people with a billion new accounts and destroying new people other then stop handing out millions of 2 month free cards in every freakin game.

INFINITE GERNADES! Would it really be so hard to give us the option of infite gernades/ammo in custom games. It is really frustrating to want a game type of sticking only on midship and start with only 2.

well, if you made it this far i congradulate you, because a handful will ever read this

  • 04.10.2005 1:42 AM PDT
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People wine so much about the resetting of the stats, they worked so hard to get it. Makes it sound like that is the only reason why they play the game. Isn't that also why cheaters cheat? I'm not calling anyone a cheater, just enjoy the game. I struggle for my rank every day either just to hang on to it, get it back, or to bring it up. We all do in some why or another even if you don't care about ranks, it's only human nature to want to win. I only think it is fair to reset ranks after bugs are fixed only because ranks were made on a game with bugs to it.
I would also like to touch on all this complaining about the weekly up dates. I myself am always looking for better news than I recieve but you know what? He gives what he can give, bottom line. If I was the one spending my time writting it and then I come in and read all the crap people write about it I would stop after awhile, mybe even feel like moving on to another game all together just for the fresh air. We should cut him some slack, we will get what we get when we get it. Sorry to say it but it's true. Maybe think of other questions other than the ones we keep asking week after week. I get more tierd of reading what we have wrote in here than what he has wrote. I want new stuff so lets ask differant questions.
Now my last comment, I just bought First to Fight. I thought it was a good game but I have not played a games yet as well made as Halo. Everything from how smooth as the game plays to how much easyer it is to pick up weapons to just everything in general.
Bungie, I would like to thanks you for such a sweet game, and please dont mind all the negetive talk in here. We are greatfull really, Please don't lower your standards in your games and I will continue to buy and play them.

  • 04.10.2005 2:19 AM PDT