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Subject: Is it me or is Legendary another game altogether?
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I have improved to a level where I can consistenly beat it on heroic and not get killed, well 7 out of 10 times, one or two is losing attention and some stupidity thrown in.

I consider my self a HALO zealot and was looking forward to strugging through legendary for a long time. I have to tell that I am disgusted.

Is it me or is legendary just and excuse to neuter the MC?

I can sneak up on an Elite and Blast away with a rifle and he jumps out of the way like nothing. Turns arould and starts blasting me, The plasma pistol seems to hold a better whack.

I have to keep laying it on and not get hit in return with his exceptional accuracy while I am kicking his ass.

Correct me if I am wrong this is a FPS so why do I have to consistently hide, hit an run.
Elite grenade ducking is amazing while I hobble away like Charlie Chaplin.

Maybe my skills are not good enough for consant head shots but I have a tough time killing all creatures on legendary. Well maybe jackals are still easy without the shield. It seems to me that I cannot hit the covenant at long distances while they can definitely hit me back.

Am I Wrong yes no?

I feel that Bungie has weakend the chief instead of making the game harder.
It seems that the same weapons have less of an effect on the covenant than me, while I should have the better shield if I remember the books right.

I won't even discuss the Flood , how the dead can literally beat the chief to death while he has 5 times faster that a human reflexes., and double the strength. Thank GOD for the shotgun! I mean after all the Chief can flip a warthog and banshee. I forget how much he ways but I know he aint no lite weight.


Even Grunts take a lot to kill, God knows how hard it was to get up those stairs with out dying on the POA.

I am at a loss as to why his shield is gone in three bursts but the elites take longer to fade. I thought after reading the books MC shields were better that the covenants. I would think using their weapons it would be a cinch just time consuming do to their numbers.

I am amazed how fast they appear out of nowhere and run like the wind while I have to crawl around, with out knowing where I am. It seems to me I go slower while they outrun me. Running away seems like an impossiblity.
The only way is not to be seen.

Any way I am griping becuause I have about 12 copies and thought I would be hooked for life. I run home from work and sit down for too long.

I just get the feeling that the game is nothing like heroic. It's changed but not in the right way to test our abilities.

I believe Amodeas for Bungie.org worte a good document on how to beat it on Legendary. I just do not think it makes the game better by tagging them with a grendade and running like hell. Though I have noweher near his skills, I feel their own weapons should have more of an effect on them.


I have let myself get killed over and over again to try and prove this .
Ann way feel free to critique and tell me what I am missing.

Kevin.

  • 04.09.2005 1:16 AM PDT
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so... ummm yeah legendary is insanely hard.
to the point that after beating the maw, poa, and halo, i just gave up.

its not worth it. I think normal is the best to play on, because it portrays the balance of weapons and shields well, but easy is exactly what it is supposed to be. easy.

  • 04.09.2005 1:40 AM PDT
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To each his own, but I enjoy Legendary, even thogh im stuck on the last part of truth when youre still on the ground. What do you mean by "grunts take a lot to kill"?, anyway. Just get a plasma pistol and pistol, then you can take out the grunts with headshots from afar, and charge up to get rid of elite's shields, (One charged shot makes the recoil like they got hurt) While they recoil, you can stick them, or shoot them in the head with a pistol. But you are right that Legendary is very different. You get 5 minutes on the last level to get out instead of 6, and theres a slightly different ending. Yes, halo is an FPS, but its also a different kind that makes you plan. Unlikke some other FPS's, your enemies dont have, like 50 health while you have 200, and it makes you hide. If you don't like hiding, then you probably are getting killed because of that. On legendary, it's beneficial just to avoid contact. If that doesn't work, then im at a loss for help.

  • 04.09.2005 4:26 AM PDT
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Legendary for the challenge. Just get a plasma pistol until 343GS then always have a shotgun.

Easy and Normal if you wanna run around shooting everything that moves. (run-n-gun)

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  • 04.09.2005 3:29 PM PDT
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lol. I agree.

(Sorry for virtually useless post)

  • 04.09.2005 5:07 PM PDT
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in legendary just get a cheat mod, and select unlimited ammo and blast away with thge rocket launcher.

  • 04.09.2005 6:25 PM PDT
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cheatin n00b...

jk. Thats cool, so long as you dont do it during multiplayer.

  • 04.09.2005 7:13 PM PDT
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Legendary should be hard. In the description it does say 'this is suicide'. I mean, there is a hard, but if you want to be the fluff of legends...

Best combos for legendary are plasma pistol + pistol or sniper, but in those later levels always the shotty.

Learn to:
1. Throw plasma nades well.
2. PP overcharge and headshot to an elite in close quarters.
3. Take out hunters with one pistol shot.
4. Use your marines as a distraction and meat shields!

  • 04.09.2005 7:20 PM PDT
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Ioniz, you cheating little noob.

Ok, I'm done flaming now.

Anyway, yes, legendary is MEANT TO BE HARD!!! you are SUPPOSED to take cover a lot, you are SUPPOSED to have difficulty! I for one have beat it, and more than once (I found Assault on the Control Room, and Two Betrayals the hardest. I gave up for a while on them. And they took me like 1,000 tries). It's all worth it to see the ending to "The Maw" (it really IS funny).

Legendary is a whole different world bud. You think you're good? Legendary will shoot you down and -blam!- your corpse. It just takes practice (and a LOT of it). If you wanna beat it, get used to it, cause that's the way it is.

My personal favorite combo for "The pillar of Autumn" is Plasma rifle/Assault rifle". All other levels, ALWAYS have a pistol (VERY effective vs. everything), and a shotgun, if available on all levels with flood, a sniper rifle when available on all levels w/o flood, or an assault rifle at all other times. sometimes, other weapons are good as the situation dictates, so use your best judgement.

Now start playing
Yout3

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  • 04.09.2005 7:23 PM PDT
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Don't worry bout' it. Bungie likes to give us a serious challenge and that challenge is Legendary mode, it's legendary ;) ... like i heard Marathon (Bungie's other awesome FPS, but for the Mac) on normal is as hard as Halo on Heroic, as long as u can beat every level on Heroic ure good, however i'd say heroic is the least recognized, everyone says "i play on easy" or "i fiished t on normal, or "sweet i can beat it on Legendary!" But heroic is so ignored...how sad :( . And i'm not sure cause i've never asked yn friends who own Halo 2 for Xbox, but i think Legendary on Halo 2 is a bit harder than on Halo, like there's brutes man! Brutes! Though it'd be interesting to know if anyone's beaten Halo's every single elvel on ALL the difficulties, man, that'd take a while, if ur lazy like me just beat the Maw on Legendary, to see the kool alternate ending,sort of... :) Cause when u beat the game on any difficulty u can replay any mission on any difficulty, and as for those pesky elites just remeber that a charged plasma pistol shot will take their shields right out as well as stun them, and flood = the shotgun. oh ya and what sexylegs said about marines "forget'a bout em' "

P.S has anyone noticed all the new people who have been in our Forum lately? about the time me and me15ter joined i hadn't seen anyone new for quite some time..

  • 04.09.2005 7:33 PM PDT
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Yeah, but legendary isn't THAT hard - it has its moments, but for the most part its fun. But hten again, I liked playing RB 6 for N64 on Elite solo - so maybe I'm better than the average personat this stuff.

This isn't JUST an fps, (CS converts can't seem to grasp this....) - the game actually involves STRATEGY!

I like the pistol for the hunters, but its easier to sneak up on them from long range and do it with the sniper rifle.

And one more thing - bungie didn't nueter the master chief - they gave the covenant brains - crazy acid-trippin' wizard of Oz watchin' schmucks....

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Yeah, but legendary isn't THAT hard - it has its moments, but for the most part its fun. But hten again, I liked playing RB 6 for N64 on Elite solo - so maybe I'm better than the average personat this stuff.

This isn't JUST an fps, (CS converts can't seem to grasp this....) - the game actually involves STRATEGY!

I like the pistol for the hunters, but its easier to sneak up on them from long range and do it with the sniper rifle.

And one more thing - bungie didn't nueter the master chief - they gave the covenant brains - crazy acid-trippin' wizard of Oz watchin' schmucks....

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Posted by: jman571
And i'm not sure cause i've never asked yn friends who own Halo 2 for Xbox, but i think Legendary on Halo 2 is a bit harder than on Halo


On Halo 2
Normal is like H1's easy
Hard is between hard and Legendary
Legendary is a notch above legendary
Easy is really easy.

On Halo1 for XBOX, Legendary is easier then on PC. (i think Bungie improved AI for PC)

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Posted by: jman571
P.S has anyone noticed all the new people who have been in our Forum lately? about the time me and me15ter joined i hadn't seen anyone new for quite some time..


Yeah. To everyone new who's reading this post, welcome! Hopefully, the maw wont become some hub of tech questions about the computer in general.

And i spent a bit of time looking around the forums before becoming a member, just to get my bearings (if youre gonna do something, do it right)

  • 04.09.2005 7:55 PM PDT
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Ok to reiterate on what EVERYONE else has said about legendary, yes, it's HARD. but it is SUPPOSED to be. otherwise it wouldn't be legendary. it takes some getting used to because it requires a different kind of approach, running and gunning will not work. esspecially on those flippin invislbe elites! (prolly the most frustrating enemy in Halo on legendary, you pump them full of lead and they just run up to you and one hit your dead... and they seem to be pretty skilled at knowing which direction you are jumping to get away from them. But if you want my honest opinion the Legendary ending is TOTALLY worth the effort. or if your just too lazy to beat it you can watch it at the end of the videolinked in my sig.

  • 04.09.2005 9:30 PM PDT
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ALL
Thanks for the words!.


I know it's hard and I want it to be hard but I just think they cut some programming corners.
I want the legendary to be killer, but if it's a FPS then hiding most of the time changes the genre NO?

You folks have given me some good advice and I will use it to improve my skills, if I do not get killed first.
My gripes are I think they made the chief weaker when he should have the better shields no?
I thought in the books they were an improvement over the covies.

I must have died a couple of hundred times on the plains after rushing in to save the marines after my arrival and before the first tunnel.

My complaints I gather are in they way they coded the logic to make it harder..
Of course assuming I know what the heck I am talking about,

For example I have stood my front to its back. One red elite by the small building after the second or fifth landing, I am hiding of course after getting walloped. I sneak around

His back is to me and I say I got him or her, who knows how to tell. DO YOU? I blast it several times and It just starts doing an ALI Shuffle. How about their grenade dance I am in slow motion while they become the flash.

You would think that there would be some kind of effect like when you catch the hunters with the pistol shots and it forces the head up for a neck shot.

Mostly lucky by the way but it does work.
Cautios there are times I have pumped multiple sniper rounds into a grunt,.
They just seem to take a lot more punishment in Legendary, like most of the Aliens.

I do not like that I feel they have weakend the chief, and their weapons seem to have less of an effect on them than me.
I have a feeling there is some inconsistency going on but I have not catalogued it definitely.

On the POA before the tunnels.
I try to hit the 3 grunts beyond the life boat doors and it seems to have no effect.
Yet OLD DEAD EYE nails me from the distance dead on and my shield drops..

Yes it's a game and I am addicted.
This is why I get so aggravated when I feel I am detecting sloppy coding or coding restraints.

I may be way off base and It could be do to my skill set. I have only been playing a month or so.
I am getting pretty good at heroic, that is why I long for legendary to be killer I just want consistency..

I have patterned all the weapons on my server to see the effect on the target.
within a certain distance the shotgun creates a hole.
If I shoot a flood a part should fall or a hole should appear.

I do not see it but they go right down. I have not tried to shot the arms or legs off while standing, but next round I will.
Shooting the downed flood for kicks I can shoot the arms and legs off but If I hit the chest NO HOLE. I forget if I can blow the had of but I should be able to if you have ever patterned that shotgun. What a beautiful device for mayhem.


Any way I still love the game and am talking about campaign mode.

W

One last thing will some one tell me how a dead thing with strings hanging from his arms can beat the hell out of the MC while he has the strength to rip the Implants out of Keyes head.
I mean like they are dead, he should be able to punch them all to oblivion.
Doesn't he way 700 pounds with that suit?

Please excuse the length I have to go in for some minor surgeryb and won't be be able to write back for a week possibly.

Legs you are right about throwing grenades it helps tremendously. I need the practice.

Tell me this, back on the POA with the special OPS elites I doubt that I can throw nearly as far as them. If I am wrong Please correct me.

ShyGuys you are right, they know which way I am going, They can read my mind. I But as for that lazy crack why would I let myself get killed hundreds of tiem to prove my point or try to any way . I thinkl it's a cheap shot.
I want to win on legendary and will . But in order to make it harder they shold have just done away with the Blue and red elites for starters.



ALL have a good weekend.

  • 04.13.2005 5:31 AM PDT
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ALL
Thanks for the words!.


I know it's hard and I want it to be hard but I just think they cut some programming corners.
I want the legendary to be killer, but if it's a FPS then hiding most of the time changes the genre NO?

You folks have given me some good advice and I will use it to improve my skills, if I do not get killed first.
My gripes are I think they made the chief weaker when he should have the better shields no?
I thought in the books they were an improvement over the covies.

I must have died a couple of hundred times on the plains after rushing in to save the marines after my arrival and before the first tunnel.

My complaints I gather are in they way they coded the logic to make it harder..
Of course assuming I know what the heck I am talking about,

For example I have stood my front to its back. One red elite by the small building after the second or fifth landing, I am hiding of course after getting walloped. I sneak around

His back is to me and I say I got him or her, who knows how to tell. DO YOU? I blast it several times and It just starts doing an ALI Shuffle. How about their grenade dance I am in slow motion while they become the flash.

You would think that there would be some kind of effect like when you catch the hunters with the pistol shots and it forces the head up for a neck shot.

Mostly lucky by the way but it does work.
Cautios there are times I have pumped multiple sniper rounds into a grunt,.
They just seem to take a lot more punishment in Legendary, like most of the Aliens.

I do not like that I feel they have weakend the chief, and their weapons seem to have less of an effect on them than me.
I have a feeling there is some inconsistency going on but I have not catalogued it definitely.

On the POA before the tunnels.
I try to hit the 3 grunts beyond the life boat doors and it seems to have no effect
Yet OLD DEAD EYE nails me from the distance dead on and my shield drops. (Plasma Weapons)

Yes it's a game and I am addicted.
This is why I get so aggravated when I feel I am detecting sloppy coding or coding restraints.

I may be way off base and It could be do to my skill set. I have only been playing a month or so.
I am getting pretty good at heroic, that is why I long for legendary to be killer I just want consistency..

I have patterned all the weapons on my server to see the effect on the target.
within a certain distance the shotgun creates a hole.
If I shoot a flood a part should fall or a hole should appear upo real close.

I do not see it but they go right down. I have not tried to shoot the arms or legs off while standing, but next round I will.

Shooting the downed flood for kicks I can shoot the arms off but if I hit the chest NO HOLE. I forget if I can blow the head of but I should be able to if you have ever patterned that shotgun. What a beautiful device for mayhem.


Any way I still love the game and am talking about campaign mode.
Additionally I understand data and logic constraints.


One last thing will some one tell me how a dead thing with strings hanging from his arms can beat the hell out of the MC while he has the strength to rip the Implants out of Keyes head.
I mean like they are dead, he should be able to punch them all to oblivion.
Doesn't he way 700 pounds with that suit? No way some string whip thing has the mass to generate enough force to overcome his.

Legs you are right about throwing grenades it helps tremendously. I need the practice.

Tell me this, back on the POA with the special OPS elites I doubt that I can throw nearly as far as them. If I am wrong Please correct me.

ShyGuys you are right, they know which way I am going, They can read my mind. I But as for that lazy crack why would I let myself get killed hundreds of timescto prove my point or try to any way .

I think it's a cheap shot. It's a game I want to enjoy it.
I want to win on legendary and will . Parts I can beat without getting killed but I want the whole game to be that way.

But in order to make it harder they should have just done away with the Blue and red elites for starters.

Please excuse the length I have to go in for some minor surgery and won't be be able to write back for a week possibly.
Sorry if I missed anyone. I know I did.
Be Well

Kevin




ALL have a good weekend.

  • 04.13.2005 5:43 AM PDT
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Can anybody tell me what happends if u beat halo on legendary i won't be able to beat it on legendary in my dreams
I play easy mostly because i like a rundown

  • 04.30.2005 4:27 PM PDT
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You get a different ending where You see sergant johsomn and a elite hug each other before they die. And bragging rights saying you beat it. Also everyones voice when they speak is like sad ans scared.

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There is something I like to call recharge lag in Halo campaign. That's the time between when you get hit and when your sheilds start to recharge. On easy, you have a lot of recharge lag. As you move up in difficulty, I find that, although the sheilds go down faster, the recharge lag is less. But... I oculd be imagining things o_0

  • 04.30.2005 8:32 PM PDT