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I wasn't sure what Forum section to post this in, but it doesn't really matter because it would apply to both Halo games. On The Two Betrayals, Cortana states that Halo has a "Maximum effective radius of 25,000 light years." Now, unless the Forerunner somehow make it so whatever the Halo weapon is travels through Slipspace, then a Halo weapon going off would take around 25,000 years to obliterate all life in its radius. This could have some strange possibilities. Imagine MC setting off the weapon, only to learn that the Covies' home world is 10,000 Light years away and have ample time to evacuate their entire planet and go to some remote part of the galaxy. OR, they could just go into slipspace and emerge unscathed. So...Halo might not be as effective as we all think. Also, what if the Forerunner are hiding in slipspace? Someone brought that up on the Forum where we were discussing the possibility of using the Pyramids of Egypt as a story concept (I forgot who said the forerunner in slipspace thing...sorry :S) UNLESS the Halo weapon travels through slipspace...but then it would be ineffective against everything else. Hmmm...this is a real head-scratcher...does anyone else have any input?

  • 07.07.2004 10:20 PM PDT

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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very good question it seems that you are right about tha 25,000 light-year thing

  • 07.07.2004 10:44 PM PDT
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dude, you're obsessed about Halo, but at least you actually think about stuff unlike 3/4 of the braindead poster's on these forums.

  • 07.07.2004 10:56 PM PDT
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umm....it does not mean it would take 25,000 years to destry something insode of its radius. the maximum range of the weapon is 25,000 light years. however we do not know what Halo does if it fires some type of energy weapon or how fast it travels. i am assuming the weapon travels in a type of slipspace or maybe hyperspace.

  • 07.07.2004 11:01 PM PDT
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i don't think that an energy weapon such as the thing that halo fires can go through slipspace or anything like that. in first strike it says that only objects of sufficient mass can go through slipspace without being completely messed up

  • 07.08.2004 4:46 AM PDT
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Very interesting

  • 07.08.2004 4:48 AM PDT
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Well i believe that a light year is a messurment of distance equal to that of the distance that light can travel in 1 year. We also know that the Halo weapon was created by the forerunner species, who are obviously extremely more intelligent than both the covenant and the human race. So to build a weapon that travels slower than spaceships of a lesser species would be the equivilant to the human race building a nuclear weapon that's blast radius you could walk faster than. Plus When you're in slip space you're not in some alternate exsistance, you're simpley moving really fast between point A and point B. So if you're in the blast radius you're toast despite if you were in slip space or not.

  • 07.08.2004 5:03 AM PDT
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but remember that the forerunner crystal that the ascendant justice-gettysburg carried with it distorted slipspace entirely. it WAS as if they were in some weird alternate reality. what was outside of the slipspace bubble had no relation to what happened inside

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well that's entirely different. Because for one "SPOILER"....




















the crytsal was destoryed, so in relation to the topic at hand. Theres no way that the crystal is going to be saving anyone's arse let alone a whole civilization of human or covenant. And for 2 it's obvious that not at ships are equipped with that technology.

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ok think of it this way:

light travels around the earth 8 times in one second. so since the circumference of the earth is 25,000 miles, that means that in 1 SECOND light travels near 200,000 miles.so the distance of 25,000 LIGHT YEARS is unfathomable.

so all in all i think halos weapon would be very effective.

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ONE crystal was destroyed. there might have been loads of other crystals. if that's what one crystal can do, i'm guessing that the effect multiplies if there are more crystals present. if they had enough, it could be possible. the question is where to find them. the covenant were pretty serious about finding it, after all.

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XSteakMa5t3rX brings up a good point about the speed of the Halo Weapon:
Think of it this way. Replace XSteak's analogy with the sun and Earth. The sun is light-years away from us, yet its heat is still powerful enough to cause harm to all life on this planet. Granted, the reach of Halo is much farther from Earth than the sun, but in effect, if Halo were (and most likely is) more powerful than the radiation caused by the sun; conceivably, don't you have a weapon of mass annihilation? Add into the mix, more Halos firing (note: for the Halo concept to work, the pulses would have to overlap to cover the entirety of the Milky Way). Given all this, think of Halo as a weapon spanning thousands of light-years. They are all part of a unit that only completely works if they act as a whole.

It is without a doubt that (my un-official name) the Halo Network is the most violent and most deadly weapon ever created. The catch: First, it works on a mass scale with multiple installations (at least 4). Secondly, this is more of a question to be answered by either Halo 2 or the great minds at Bungie; Assuming that the pulse is based on the speed and effectiveness of the suns radiation, if all were strategically positioned to fire simultaneously at maximum effective range, the galaxy would be lifeless in a matter of minutes.

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  • 07.08.2004 7:11 AM PDT
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Now for a brief explanation of Einstein Relativitey.With the speed of light, if you go the speed of light, time from the perspective of the people not going the speed of light, time will apear to stand still. You will not age. So if one person stayed on Earth and another person of the same age went of a spaceship and travelled around for 5 years without stopping, the person on Earth would be 5 years older than the one in the spaceship. Now if you send something that goes faster than light, it will be recieved at your target before you send it, essentially timetravel. So if Halo sends out a pulse that is faster than light it would kill the senders before they sent it, thus a paradox. Remember this only applies to Einstienian space.So that is a weird thing, why would you make a bomb that you can walk away from?

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  • 07.08.2004 7:22 AM PDT
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Make a bomb you can walk away from? The more one tries to explain this, the more complex and unexplainable it becomes!

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Considering the Holy Light could bend (slip)space to it's will, who's to say that the Halos don't have a similar Technology? The were built by the same people after all...
This would make the distance thing moot... It just effectively can't alter the thing past 25,000 light years. Maybe the forerunner knew that the time/space altering effects were too broad, and the Flood were a last ditch protection device?

  • 07.08.2004 7:28 AM PDT
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Makes sense, but why create a protection device that you can't controll or stop without killing everything?

  • 07.08.2004 7:30 AM PDT
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Well heres another spacial physics thing. Faster than light travel is impossible ( well in Einstienian space) but to bend space is possible. If you bend space you can travel to two points in no time , literaly. For example if you have an ant walk across a string he will take some time, but if you fold the string so that both ends are touching, it takes not ime for the ant to cross the length of the string. Maybe Halo bends space in such a way that it sends ripples though out its radius, all this would happen instantly, but what would kill all sentient life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood in its 25,000 light year radius?

  • 07.08.2004 7:34 AM PDT
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Sornos, don't forget that Relativistic theory doesn't necessarily apply to things without mass, like energy. If it did, light would never reach us because light, moving at the speed of light wouldn't be moving forwards, or backwards in time.

I think people are forgetting that the "pulse" is a "phase pulse" which implies that it exists in multiple dimensions simultaneously. This would likely mean it blasts everything in slip space as easily as it does real space.

  • 07.08.2004 7:35 AM PDT
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Possibly some type of plasma radiation? That would explain why the Covenant think plasma is superior to projectile weapons, its the weapon of the "gods." And a reason for the Forrunner using plasma: its the most abundant energy source in the universe. It is leathal at high temps, so do they use it like radiation? It vaporizes upon contact?

  • 07.08.2004 7:38 AM PDT
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who said it was an energy weapon? it could be a biological weapon, probably to counteract the flood........and since you don't know the speed of the weapon, how can you assume it would take 25,000 years?......we're talking about the forerunner here, they were more intelligent and advanced than any other race that we know about in the galaxy, i wouldn't doubt their abililties, plus those pulse generators, Cortana herself said that they "amplify halo's signal and allow it to fire deep into space"....a signal....amplify......think about it people.....a signal ....to what?.......some other thing?......another Halo perhaps?

  • 07.08.2004 7:39 AM PDT
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Ah yes, I forgot about that. Man all this is confusing, that with all that new information that the speed of light being not constant. I don't even pretend to understand relativitey but I get the basic bit of it. And to answer why you can't use plasma like radiation, because plasma is the 4th type of matter , matter can't go as fast as radiation.

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  • 07.08.2004 7:42 AM PDT
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The Big Bang theory. If Halo used some kind of ordinance; GS said it fired once befor. Is this the inception of the newly created universe?

  • 07.08.2004 7:43 AM PDT
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You did play Halo 1 right? Rodog, we know it's an energy weapon because Halo's final weapon is a massive pulse created by three phase pulse generators. Cortana tells us this in Two Betrayals and then we set out to disabling them when Cortana attunes our shields to a specific frequency causing some sort of short circuit.

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Wow, ok little confusing...

Ever think its much easier then that?
Remember its not like a destructive force in the way we would think a destructive force would act. This doesnt kill anything with a sufficient biomass, it would vaporize it! The flood can still survive on dead bodies for a short period of time (now all the nerds are gonna yell at me)

My question is, why not build the halo's to kill the flood instead of everything?

  • 07.08.2004 7:44 AM PDT