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Ok.......i thought of this earlier........what if Halo uses the same principle as how light refracts as it moves through an object, and i thought Halo would bend time. But I think Halo bends space.......not time...Imagine squishing a long piece of paper into a small ball, the distance becomes shorter as well. Well when Halo fires, i believe that it shortens the distance that way it would also be easier to fire deep into space and cover the galaxy as well. It would also prove the theory that there are only 4 halos

  • 07.08.2004 8:11 AM PDT
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I don't think so. 343-GS says himself that "this installation has a maximum effective radius of 25000 light-years". Our galaxy is 150000 lightyears across(I think).

  • 07.08.2004 8:14 AM PDT
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Good job!....you get a cookie!

  • 07.08.2004 8:15 AM PDT
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Keep to the thread you discussed this in, you'll get better responses there then out here.

  • 07.08.2004 8:15 AM PDT
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thats right! shrink space, not time...after all its moe efficiant

  • 07.08.2004 8:15 AM PDT
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yea.....well someone mathematically figured out that it would take more than 4 halo's to cover this galaxy......however, we know there are only 4 as Guilty Spark says....

  • 07.08.2004 8:16 AM PDT
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yea.....well someone mathematically figured out that it would take more than 4 halo's to cover this galaxy......however, we know there are only 4 as Guilty Spark says....

No, he says that Halo is the fourth one.
<343GS> "Greetings! I am the Monitor of Installation 04.I am 343 Guilty Spark!"

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  • 07.08.2004 8:17 AM PDT
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Time, space and gravity are all the same thing. You've gotta love Relativistic theory.
Now, to bend space you could use gravity and since the Forerunner know how to control gravity this is possible.

I don't think, however, the Forerunner could create a gravitic field strong enough to create that sort of bending effect without creating a black hole and even then a black hole spatial bending effects aren't all that far reaching. You'd need something ....more.

  • 07.08.2004 8:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Johmpa
yea.....well someone mathematically figured out that it would take more than 4 halo's to cover this galaxy......however, we know there are only 4 as Guilty Spark says....

No, he says that Halo is the fourth one.
<343GS> "Greetings! I am the Monitor of Installation 04.I am 343 Guilty Spark!"

yes SO?.....someone mentioned earlier....if it has a maximum radius of 25,000 light years wouldn't it take 25000 years for all of the galaxy to be wiped out?....(remember, a light year is the distance light travels in one year, multiply that by 25,000 and that's how far Halo's signal has to be amplified)

  • 07.08.2004 8:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Draerden
Time, space and gravity are all the same thing. You've gotta love Relativistic theory.
Now, to bend space you could use gravity and since the Forerunner know how to control gravity this is possible.

I don't think, however, the Forerunner could create a gravitic field strong enough to create that sort of bending effect without creating a black hole and even then a black hole spatial bending effects aren't all that far reaching. You'd need something ....more.

perhaps.....another Halo?

  • 07.08.2004 8:25 AM PDT
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The Galexy is a huge place. We launced a probe to Saturn 10 years ago. Last week it just reached orbit. How in Gods name would you bend gravity ina place as big as our galaxy?

Draerden is right, you need something...something big and powerful, lol like a Halo

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  • 07.08.2004 8:26 AM PDT
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We already know there are other Halos. Heck someone even went so far as to determine that there would need to be 13 of them to blanket the galaxy.

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13 Halos......are you freaking kidding me?......who the hell would build 13 halo's just to manage the Flood.....that would be pretty stupid don't you think......besides remember those pulse generators.....we destroyed em because they amplified a SIGNAL.....how much power would you need to bend space for a short span?.....that would be easier......the Forerunner aren't that stupid......look at the Covenant

  • 07.08.2004 8:30 AM PDT
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There would have to be more than four Halos out there, because of geometry. Our galaxy is 100000 lightyears across and 3000 light-years high.
Since the effective range of a Halo is 25000 lightyears in all directions, which gives us a coverage of 50000 lightyears, on a 2D plane. If there were only four Halos, they would be placed 25000 lightyears from the galactic core and in the center of the galactic plane. Those Halos would also be placed 90 degrees from eachother, at the 12, 3, 6 and 9 o-clock. But those woulden't give complete galactic coverage. Circles on a plane give gaps, so the Halo installations would have to overlap eachother. That way there has to be more than four.

  • 07.08.2004 8:31 AM PDT
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*stares blankly into a void of air, confused and bewhildered by what has takin plac in these threads*

  • 07.08.2004 8:32 AM PDT
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We don't know the Halos were designed to deal with the Flood. This is the strangest thing I've ever seen on these forums. No where in the game did they say that was the reason the Halos were built.

How do we know that the Halo is 04? 343 only refers to the "installation" as 04. This could very well be the forerunner installation built into the swamp. At one point, even Cortana refers to the Control Room as an "installation". The word "installation" is a subjective term with a great many meanings.

  • 07.08.2004 8:35 AM PDT
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hey wait........i remembered reading once that scientists believe that at the center of our galaxy is a black hole..at least that's what they believe. WHAT IF HALO'S SIGNAL WAS AMPLIFIED THROUGH THAT HOLE?!.........it would make sense.....you yourself said that the Halo's would placed near the galactic core....black holes bend time and space...it would make sense....

  • 07.08.2004 8:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rodog
13 Halos......are you freaking kidding me?......who the hell would build 13 halo's just to manage the Flood.....that would be pretty stupid don't you think......besides remember those pulse generators.....we destroyed em because they amplified a SIGNAL.....how much power would you need to bend space for a short span?.....that would be easier......the Forerunner aren't that stupid......look at the Covenant


13, an unlucky number in many caes. So why not have the doom's day number be 13? And here are the numbers courteousy of Hedwig.

Back Round:
A Halo destroys all life within 25,000 ly from it's self.

Dimensions of the Milky Way Galaxy:
100,000 ly diameter
300 ly thickness
16,000 ly bulge at the galactic center


Placement of Halos:
1 at the galactic center for the bulge
4 on the x-axis 25,000 ly from the galactic center
+ 8 on the x-axis near the edged of the galaxy
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13
-1 Destroyed by the MC
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12 Halos

  • 07.08.2004 8:37 AM PDT
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How do we know that the Halo is 04? 343 only refers to the "installation" as 04. This could very well be the forerunner installation built into the swamp. At one point, even Cortana refers to the Control Room as an "installation". The word "installation" is a subjective term with a great many meanings.

<343GS> "Technicly, This INSTALLATIONS pulse, has a maximum effective radius of 25000 lightyears. But once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life. At least life with sufficient bio-mass, to sustain the Flood."

What else than Halo could he refer to?

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  • 07.08.2004 8:39 AM PDT
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You miss my point. Installation is a subjective word. You can use it to refer to a building, a computer, even a new kind of paper trail in your work environment. It has a broad definition.

Sometimes when 343 is talking he may be talking about the "Halo Installation" then at other times he may be talking about the "Flood Containment Installation" then Cortana refers to the "Control Room Installation".

Perhaps 343 was referring to the Flood Containment Facility when he was referring to Installation 04. It could be that there are dozens on installations on the installation.

  • 07.08.2004 8:45 AM PDT
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lol. what a thought..

  • 07.08.2004 8:46 AM PDT
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You miss my point. Installation is a subjective word. You can use it to refer to a building, a computer, even a new kind of paper trail in your work environment. It has a broad definition.

Sometimes when 343 is talking he may be talking about the "Halo Installation" then at other times he may be talking about the "Flood Containment Installation" then Cortana refers to the "Control Room Installation".

Perhaps 343 was referring to the Flood Containment Facility when he was referring to Installation 04. It could be that there are dozens on installations on the installation.


Every time the Monitor refers to "the Installation", it's compatible with Halo. Examples:

We must collect the Index before we can activate the installation.

The Flood must not escape the installation. They would consume all.

This installation's research facilities are most impressive! Perhaps we'll have time to see them later.

The installation was well conceived. It is surely the only way to end the Flood threat.

The Index must not fall into the hands of the Flood, before we reach the Control Room and activate the installation.

And most importantly:

Greetings. I am the Monitor of installation 04. I am 343 Guilty Spark. Someone has released the Flood. My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require your assistance. Come. This way.


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  • 07.08.2004 8:50 AM PDT
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ARG, DID YOU MEMORIZE THE ENTIRE LIBRARY SCRIPT?

  • 07.08.2004 8:51 AM PDT
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ARG, DID YOU MEMORIZE THE ENTIRE LIBRARY SCRIPT?

http://halosm.bungie.org/story/level_transcripts/lv06_343gs.h tml

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