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Subject: The most Conclusive theory...and then some.

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

First off, this is just my own take on Eagle 117's genius.All props go to him, and if you find a problem...well it goes to me. This is posted under his thread but I think it might serve people better here.

Well, Eagle, I'd say you've got something about as good going there as anyone has conjectured so far. In your honor i'd like to make my own alterations to your theory....

ONI never sent a clone of MC to Halo, instead, they sent normal humans.Hence the abnormal number of human flood forms (the flood wouldnt have animated the dead marines killed by the covies, it doesn't work that way I think...but please prove me wrong if you disagree) The only flashclone of MC was given to his real parents as a replacement when they took the real John. And here's my big twist, what if the other species that 343 GS is talking about being responsible for releasing the flood isn't the covenant but instead the humans. The covenant specifically tried to lock down the different contaminated parts of Halo as evidenced by the level 343 Guilty Spark. Instead it was the ONI team sent there as part of Ackerson's secret project (including Lt. Haverson, explaining his presence) that began to release the flood, and was unsuccesful because the covenant showed up and shut everything down.It would then be sustaining that when the Pillar of Autumn marines showed up and finished the job, 343 GS saw no difference.

Now, you are probably asking yourself, why would 343 GS consider the humans different than John. Well because he didn't know that John was essentially a human....Scanning MC would have revealed a ridiculously advanced and much larger version of a homosapien than the other humans on Halo, even to the level of his DNA which had been altered through the gene therapy of ONI. Instead, as congruent with calling him the reclaimer, 343 thinks he is...dum dum dum...a forerunner! Going back to the many theories of human-forerunner relationships, 343 GS sees MC as a far more advanced (and much larger version) of a human, which is essentially what most people contemplate a forerunner to be.

Please Please respond with your critiques and comments, and if i'm wrong, please tell me about it in detail. Those people who would like to flame us because "it's just a game", can go do something else, while we do what we want.

  • 07.08.2004 5:48 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Seriously people, read and comment!

[Edited on 7/8/2004 6:59:49 PM]

  • 07.08.2004 5:55 PM PDT
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dude thats kinda cool in its own way compared to eagle

  • 07.08.2004 6:00 PM PDT
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[color=purple]thats interesting. I don't know how you people come up with this stuff. You must work for bungie![/color]

  • 07.08.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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[color=purple]they should make this a sticky too[/color]

  • 07.08.2004 6:05 PM PDT

Interesting take on the theory:)

The marines being sent to Halo would be definetly be possbile.

I just happen to think that Ackerson would make flash clones of the Spartans and put them through the pain of becoming a Flood form... seeing as how he despised them so much. But, that doesn't take anything away from what you have going here:)

Thanks for the recognition:)
-Eagle 117

  • 07.08.2004 6:08 PM PDT
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*sigh* looks like I have to bust out the books again...

Actually, 343 knows John is human...in the flood, 343 john is standing over the dead body of a marine, and 343 goes [color=white]"Ah, the other reclaimer...his combat skin proved even less suitable than yours"[/color]

So i think that just shoots down the GS thinks MC = forerunner theory. I am a believer in the forerunner = human theory.

Not bad though...gives me ideas...

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  • 07.08.2004 6:13 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

Hmm..seems like you're right. But why would 343 call that one marine "THE other reclaimer" there were thousands of marines on Halo.

Where did this scene take place in The Flood? If it were in the library, then maybe the name reclaimer is merely any name given to someone trying to bring the index to the core. The theory would still be preserved since 343 would have referred to a species other than John.

[Edited on 7/8/2004 6:25:04 PM]

  • 07.08.2004 6:17 PM PDT
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That theory is so crazy it just might be true! Good job thinking of it, but do you think GS would have been so easily tricked? I mean the forerunners did make him, so do think he would have know so little about them? Surely he would have been able to tell that master chief wasn't one. maybe he considered the chief different from the humans, but not a forerunner, just different.

THEORY POSSIBILITY?: maybe the clone of MC went there WITH the other guys to release the flood, but the other guys were transformed to flood, so the other Chief was considering using halo so that the flood couldnt spread any further. Then the covenant arrived and locked everything down before he could use it. Is this because the flood got him? or because the covenant captured him? more likely the covenant captured him, because if he was killed, GS would probably have been a little more surprised to see him. One thing is strange though (tell me if i get this wrong, i havent played 343gs in a while) but doesn't GS introduce himself at the end of the level? Maybe he recognises that the master chief are of the same type (Spartan II), yet not the same person, so maybe instead of being captured, the clone chief left the ring the same way he got there, and simply didn't use the Halo. Maybe GS thought that the clone chief was a new species and he left to share his knowledge with the rest of them, this being why GS thought the MC would know more then he actually did.

The question then is- What happened to The Clone Chief?

Tell me what ya think.

  • 07.08.2004 6:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nelo Angelo
Hmm..seems like you're right. But why would 343 call that one marine "THE other reclaimer" there were thousands of marines on Halo.

Where did this scene take place in The Flood? If it were in the library, then maybe the name reclaimer is merely any name given to someone trying to bring the index to the core. The theory would still be preserved since 343 would have referred to a species other than John.


Sounds about right to me.

  • 07.08.2004 6:33 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

I really can't rationalize the idea of a cloned chief in my own thoughts, of course that doesn't mean it's any more wrong than my theory, but there seems to be too many holes for that one to fall through.The fact that 343 GS introduces himself to MC in Halo, yet can't understand why MC didn't know what Halo did is very perplexing and easily lends itself to some sort of forerunner-human relationship.

  • 07.08.2004 6:36 PM PDT
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Well i haven't read the books so, yeah, there probably is a bunch of stuff i don't know. Owell.

  • 07.08.2004 6:40 PM PDT

Yay!

hey eagle and nelo yall have so much time on your hands.....time i wish i had. I believe the theory is the most accurate of any other i have read. Great job.

  • 07.08.2004 6:48 PM PDT
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however in the book, they say that another marine was taken by Guilty Spark to recover the Index, but he failed, so he went for the Chief....i don't think guilty spark thought John looked different

  • 07.08.2004 6:51 PM PDT

There are two groups of people in the world - those that hope, and those that wish. The first group hopes that nothing bad will happen. The second group wishes that they are there when it does. Which one are you?

-Felix

That's quite possible, but then again.. almost everything is different when comparing a Marine and a Spartan, right down to the DNA.

  • 07.08.2004 6:59 PM PDT
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you know what would be better?......saying that both the Covenant and Earth had sent expeditions down there....that would be a perfect place to draw a deal with the Covenant it would be perfect stalemate, i think ONI are hiding something MAJOR

  • 07.08.2004 7:04 PM PDT