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Subject: Chapter 30 in the Fall of Reach

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No one ever talks about this highly secretive section of "The fall of Reach" (p.281-2) and it is ominously omitted from many theories floating around out there (i think i might have linked it to Ackerson in one of my ponderings a long time ago...probly before B.net underwent all it's fancy-schmancy changes... or you can search for it in the 300 odd pages of threads here at New Mombasa). Am i the only one who picked up on this crazy mysterious chapter? What do you guys think it could be refering to? IMO it's the most conspicuous 1/2page in all of the three books!

I gotta go on a little vacation now so I probly won't be around to partake in the ensuing theorizing for the next week but when i return i expect this to be fleshed out with many a crack-pot idea. Make me proud marines... make me proud.

  • 07.08.2004 8:32 PM PDT
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right ok good hes gone.. sweet party at Doom sticks thread!!!!!!!

  • 07.08.2004 8:35 PM PDT

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Hey!... no spamming while I'm gone. The neighbors will complain and I'll hear all about it eventually; and when I do.... oh what the hell, if there's at least a little left in the kegger when i get back i'll be happy just don't trash the place too badly!

  • 07.08.2004 8:43 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

IV'E GOT IT!

Ackerson is a traitor and he used the Circumfrence corvette to travel to the Covenant HQ planet and told them the location of earth. Perhaps he thought it would end the war. I don't know but it answers several questions:
1. That's how the covenant found earth (if wrong please dont flame)
2. Dr. Halsey took off with Kelly to find Ackerson or something like that
3. It also explains why he flashcloned the MC. he might have taken him as a bodyguard
<If you don't know what I'm talking about read Ch. 30 of Fall of Reach>

  • 07.08.2004 8:43 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Doom STicks, you still there?

  • 07.08.2004 8:58 PM PDT
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It looks like he won't be here to see his thread actually have a post that relates to the topic... that's too bad.

  • 07.08.2004 9:02 PM PDT
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[quote]Posted by: MCs Brother
IV'E GOT IT!
1. That's how the covenant found earth (if wrong please dont flame)
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Your wrong about how they covanent found earth. He didnt tell them. I dont know where in the book but after a big battle that the humans won it said that a probe, which was mistaken as a peice of debre from the battle came up to one of the ships and latched onto it. The book said that at that moment the probe started sending their coordinates to the homeworld. So everystop that they took or measures to confuse the covanent would be recorded and sent away. I dont know the exact wording but it said something to that effect

  • 07.08.2004 9:02 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

thanks

  • 07.08.2004 9:05 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Posted by: Creeping_Death
It looks like he won't be here to see his thread actually have a post that relates to the topic... that's too bad.


What are you talking about?!
I just spent all that time writing my theory!
Go read it

  • 07.08.2004 9:06 PM PDT
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Note: I said HE won't be here to see it.

And yes, I read your theory.

[Edited on 7/8/2004 9:11:15 PM]

  • 07.08.2004 9:09 PM PDT
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yah man im just here to clear up the things that ppl get confused about. But ur other 2 theories could b.

  • 07.08.2004 9:13 PM PDT

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yeah i'm still here but this will be my last post for probly a couple of days until i can get a net connection again. Good try MC bro, and I think it was the Iroquois that had the Covie probe attached to it and the books never say that it went back to Earth only to Reach (and i think it was destroyed there)... The books never mention how the Covies found earth (i think Cortana intercepts some transmissions where the Covenant are planning their attack and in it they transmit the coordinates for Sol... letting our hero know that trouble's on the way).

Keep trying guys! Don't give up! This is the most ambiguous chapter of the whole lot but i just know that you can crack the meaning behind it!

  • 07.08.2004 9:21 PM PDT

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OK i've got more proof that Ackerson is a traitor and a new reason for his secret mission. Flame me if you want but here it is:
In Chapter 11 of FIrst Strike when Lt. Wagner is reporting to HighCom about the fall of reach it tells what Ackerson says. This is directly from the books:

Lt. Wagner says : Reach was the closest thing i had to a home in the outer colonies sir.
Hood nodded sympathetically. Ackerson snorted. He pushed away from the table, got up and moved to Wagner's side. " Save the sentimentality, Lt. You say they glassed reach. Everything?" Wagner detected anticipation in the Colenel's tone- as if he wanted the covenant to have destroyed Reach.

After Wagner explains that only three-thirds of the surface was glassed Ackerson said:
" Everything on it is blasted to bits, burned, glassed over and vaporized. Everything on reach is dead"
Sounds to me like he didn't want anyone going back. But wait it gets better.
IN Chapter 13 of the same book (First Strike) when Dr. Halsey is going through the files that Ackerson stole from her spartan 2 files she finds that he took the medical files for all her spartans and a star chart that pinpointed the exact location of Reach. So maybe instead of him flashcloning MC as a body guard maybe he took him to the covenant so they could make their own spartans. Maybe that's what Halo 2's big secret character is. I know it's far fetched but who knows?

[Edited on 7/8/2004 11:55:27 PM]

  • 07.08.2004 10:02 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

OK basically what i'm trying to say is that ackerson gave away reach and gave the covies a more powerful weapon (a spartan)

  • 07.08.2004 11:58 PM PDT

as a tradeoff... hmmm....

  • 07.09.2004 12:06 AM PDT

but what for us?

  • 07.09.2004 12:06 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

possibly mothing. maybe they told Ackerson they would reward him and when he told them what they needed they killed him

[Edited on 7/9/2004 12:09:11 AM]

  • 07.09.2004 12:08 AM PDT

O.K. Doom Sticks...

I've got something churning up stairs that has to do with this thread. I just need to connect all the dots before I post anything.

It might even be enough info (God forbid it be as much info as my current thread) to start a completly different thread that is connected to something else... special. It won't be posted anytime soon though. Maybe by the time you've come back from this "vacation" of yours, I'll have something posted.

Don't worry though, you'll get what's due to ya:)

[Edited on 7/9/2004 12:14:56 AM]

  • 07.09.2004 12:12 AM PDT
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Ackerson and his ONI science teams have been expolring the uncharted spaces and found Halo and other forerunner artifacts and are basically graverobbers. The Covenant find this out and retaliate for the humans incursions into thier space and holy sites. We all think the Covenant are evil but as MC will find out later it was humanity's fault. Hope I didn't spoil Halo 2 for anybody ;-).

  • 07.09.2004 12:13 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Hmmmmm............ interesting
wish i'd thought of that

  • 07.09.2004 12:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Ackerson and his ONI science teams have been expolring the uncharted spaces and found Halo and other forerunner artifacts and are basically graverobbers. The Covenant find this out and retaliate for the humans incursions into thier space and holy sites. We all think the Covenant are evil but as MC will find out later it was humanity's fault. Hope I didn't spoil Halo 2 for anybody ;-).



I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the Covenant were already at war with the Humans when Ackerson/ONI discovered the location of Halo. They discovered the location of Halo in a 512 alphanumerical string that was intercepted by Captain Keys during a battle with the Covenant at Sigma Octanus IV:)

[Edited on 7/9/2004 12:41:24 AM]

  • 07.09.2004 12:19 AM PDT

i think youre right

  • 07.09.2004 12:33 AM PDT

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i dont think the covenant would make a trade with any human, even for spartan technology. I read that covenant would rather fight hand to hand when they have no covie weapons than pick up a human weapon lying around, they would rather die than use human weapons (least of all a spartan clone). And i also read about an elite who said that he wondered that the spartan armour energy shielding was stronger than the covenant elite equivalent and as a result he was accused of treachery (or summat) by a prophet. So i really doubt a technology trade.

But i do think Ackerson is up to no good. He is human after all.

  • 07.09.2004 1:16 AM PDT
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but on the other hand all over the books where they mention Ackerson, it says somethin about how he didnt approve of the SPARTAN II's, and i also have to conqer with the theory of Ackerson trying to negotiate with the covenant because in TFoR, CPO Mendez tells John [MC] that some will think of surrendering or negotiating with the Covenant, also in TF, many Marines, including one of Keyes Bridge crew, tried to create a truce with the Covenant.
just consider that and try to not be so one sideed ppls [not meant to all ppl, just ones that seem to think they know the exact plot of Halo 2 and claim thats it and there sry if it ruins the game for them]

PS, the IROQUIS was never destroyed, it only says that Keyes was assigned to the PoA

  • 07.09.2004 9:43 PM PDT
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You guys are thinking too hard again... this one is easy. First off, Eagle, do you have Xfire? If not, go download it, and then Add "Chaplain," to your friend list. [url]www.xfire.com[/url]

Now, Listen you guys, We're all jumping to conclusions that Ackerson is invloved, NOWHERE, in that chapter, does it mention Ackerson. For all we know it's probably the pink unicorns that live out in space. Take it like you're reading it for the first time. it is meant only to be understood AFTER they give it away.

Check this out though, From Codename "CoalMiner" To "Surgeon." now, look through the book and find those two codenames and then match them up with the characters. I found nothing, although I only looked at the main headings of the chapters and those things. Maybe it says something somewhere else, another name to be looking for is "Circumfrence." If we found out who pilots this ship, we'll know who the "CoalMiner" character is.

  • 07.09.2004 10:24 PM PDT