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Subject: WHY!!!???
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I can't believe people are actually going for this update. Every veteran player I have spoke with fervently hates the update. Dual wielding is utterly useless now. I've countered every combo, and have had mine all countered by the SMG. Where is the point in even bothering if all you have to do is grenade, or melee? One of the greatest signs of Halo 2's changing nature was Dual Wielding. And now it's gone. And sure, you can tell me to stop complaining. But the truth is, this update was made for the inexperienced, and lets face it, the suckiest of players, that for some reason felt the need to go -blam!-ing to Bungie about their own lack of skill. Tell me now, what was wrong with the Magnum? What was wrong with the Plasma Rifle? That they killed to quick? Learn the weapons! Get used to how they are used! Don't change the game because you happen to suck at it. And I want this point to be made perfectly clear: Halo 1 and Halo 2 are two DIFFERENT games. I had to have this told to me, but in the end, it makes sense. All of you Halo 1 fanboys that were so mad that Halo 2 wasn't made in its mirror image have to get it into your skulls that there is absolutely NO POINT in making a game that follows the exact same way of playing as its predecessor. There has to be a difference. Halo 2 had it. The only problems i can say existed with the weapons whatsoever, were with the Brute Shot and the Needler. That's it. Only because they were weapons that really couldn't be used to a decent degree. But you know what? I never felt the need to complain about the weapons. Not once. Deal with the fact that you are not as good as the veteran gamers. The veterans are capable of handling the fact that they aren't as good as the pros. Simple heirarchy of skill. See that? SKILL!!! That aspect is now gone from Halo 2. And I admit the fact that I am not the best of players. I have had my ass kicked numerous times. And sure, I've been pissed too. But I never once blamed Halo 2's system. It's the players. It's the tactics. If you are new to the game and can't beat a pro, hey guess what, that's to be expected. Balance is totally different from equality. The "balance" that now exists it the fact that anyone with any level of skill and holding almost any weapon can beat anyone else with anything else. With that considered, what's the point of a ranking system if everything is balanced out? A brand new player can now win a game against a veteran, so please tell me what's the point. The ability to get a weapon is no longer important. The fun from the unpredictability of what weapons they might have is now gone. The simple fact that you can't win a game, is not your opponent's fault. It's yours. If you can't win: TRAIN!!! There's system link, lan parties, campaign. Just because you can't win on live is not the game's fault. Learn to bend your skills to the game, or don't play it. Simple as that.

  • 04.19.2005 4:20 PM PDT
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u can still use stand-by.
My Level 21 friend (non-stand-byer) was stand-byed many times since th AU.
I'm a level 14 (playing at a level 16-19) and i can now get beat by total n00bs in TEAM TRAINING WITH AN SMG! Holy Crap! A single SMG shouldn't be able to beat a duel-weild no matter how bad the combo is. My SMG-Covie Rifle is useless now. I was able to beat level 21's now i get beat by level 10!!! This is insane! This is All after the AU

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  • 04.19.2005 4:40 PM PDT
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And it is not that i suck!!
really its not!

Oh yeah, nice maps Bungie!

  • 04.19.2005 4:42 PM PDT
Subject: the au
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i speak for 143+ xbox live gamers when i say this...WHY TEH HELL IS IT NOT DOWNLOADING!!!! IT KEEPS SAYING "UNABLE TO COMPLETE THE DOWLOAD DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES" and pardon my rudeness but, when you try to download that for 24 hours straight to no avail...you get adjetated!

  • 04.19.2005 4:43 PM PDT
Subject: patch diffrence
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Posted by: vegamo
Mobdeep,

softwares with diffrent patches NEVER work togather... if ur friend doesnt have the patch u then u cant play linkplay wtih him cause its a diff code...when ur xbox is communicating with the other xbox... it check if it has the same patch.. and if it doesnt,, then it wont work.. ever play blizzard games?? well its the same thing


According to IGN, if a 1.1 box plays a 1.0, whichever one is the host will determine what version is used. So if you are patched and the host is not, that match will not be patched.

  • 04.19.2005 4:50 PM PDT
Subject: WHY!!!???
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Posted by: DarkZero

The "balance" that now exists it the fact that anyone with any level of skill and holding almost any weapon can beat anyone else with anything else. With that considered, what's the point of a ranking system if everything is balanced out? A brand new player can now win a game against a veteran, so please tell me what's the point


The point is that if you actually ARE the better player, you should be relying on your tactics and brains more than using a certain weapon as a crutch. I can't count how many times I've been in a game where an opponent couldn't kill me unless he had the sword/rockets/sniper rifle in his hands. Give him any other gun and he was utterly useless. That's not skill if you ask me.

The difference between a "noob" and a veteran shouldn't rest in knowing what weapon to pick up, it should be that the pro knows what situations to avoid, knows when to press forward, when to retreat, how to outsmart the opponent, etc. Relying on a specific weapon to be able to function sounds a lot more "noobish" to me.

  • 04.19.2005 4:56 PM PDT
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I agree

  • 04.19.2005 4:58 PM PDT
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thank you very much but what do you mean to be deleted? all my halo 2 data?

  • 04.19.2005 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fortune003
thank you very much but what do you mean to be deleted? all my halo 2 data?


Yes, back up your profile if you have a memory card, then delete the Halo 2 data from your Xbox.

  • 04.19.2005 5:08 PM PDT
Subject: The AU
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He might have ment the AU file?

Posted by: IronHorse03
u can still use stand-by.
My Level 21 friend (non-stand-byer) was stand-byed many times since th AU.
I'm a level 14 (playing at a level 16-19) and i can now get beat by total n00bs in TEAM TRAINING WITH AN SMG! Holy Crap! A single SMG shouldn't be able to beat a duel-weild no matter how bad the combo is. My SMG-Covie Rifle is useless now. I was able to beat level 21's now i get beat by level 10!!! This is insane! This is All after the AU

  • 04.19.2005 5:09 PM PDT
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ummm...that didnt work.

  • 04.19.2005 5:20 PM PDT
Subject: WHY!!!???
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And I understand that. But there is a difference between reliant and knowing the weapons. I do not consider myself reliant. My favorite combo in fact was dual magnum. It required skill and accuracy to use. But even with both of those, it's still useless now. I loved the magnum, but I still knew that it would it could be countered. I could counter all of the weapons they were complaining about just fine. I centered my playing style around not whoring the power weapons. I played for fun, but learned how to play well. But all the people who complained either were mad because they were staying at a low rank (which was possibly due to standby, it was only through extreme patience that I got up to 20) but it was likely because they weren't good. Is it that surprising that a new player can't beat a veteran? And besides, some things should be basically better. It adds to the fun of the game if you can beat someone underhanded or out-gunned. Not only that, but tough situations spur on skill and give you a need to get better. There isn't a point now that anything can beat anything if you stick a melee or a grenade into it.

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  • 04.19.2005 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkZero
And I understand that. But there is a difference between reliant and knowing the weapons. I do not consider myself reliant. My favorite combo in fact was dual magnum. It required skill and accuracy to use. But even with both of those, it's still useless now. I loved the magnum, but I still knew that it would it could be countered. I could counter all of the weapons they were complaining about just fine. I centered my playing style around not whoring the power weapons. I played for fun, but learned how to play well. But all the people who complained either were mad because they were staying at a low rank (which was possibly due to standby, it was only through extreme patience that I got up to 20) but it was likely because they weren't good. Is it that surprising that a new player can't beat a veteran? And besides, some things should be basically better. It adds to the fun of the game if you can beat someone underhanded or out-gunned. Not only that, but tough situations spur on skill and give you a need to get better. There isn't a point now that anything can beat anything if you stick a melee or a grenade into it.


You're right, there IS a difference between knowing them and being reliant. However, if every game devolves into a race to the sniper and rockets, something is wrong. I either run around with the BR or with the SMG/Mag, so I suppose I haven't been too terribly affected by the patch. However, saying that having a better balance takes away any difference between the weapons is absurd. This is where the brains of a veteran come in, if you have a BR and a guy is coming towards you with dual SMGs... don't let him get close enough to do any damage. If you have the shotty, don't go running at a sniper unless you're right on his tail. There are still advantages to using certain weapons, and a true veteran will know when to use what (not to mention where to go to get it).

  • 04.19.2005 5:29 PM PDT
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same here...but...i need the update to play and i cant get it still and now i have no Halo 2 data!

  • 04.19.2005 5:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fortune003
same here...but...i need the update to play and i cant get it still and now i have no Halo 2 data!


If you backed up your profile then you shouldn't be any worse off than you were before. Good luck bro.

  • 04.19.2005 5:34 PM PDT
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i agree completely! but i still cant get that update!

  • 04.19.2005 5:43 PM PDT
Subject: WHY!!!???
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i agree with you completely! but i still cant get the update!

  • 04.19.2005 5:45 PM PDT
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vegamo, I agree with you on that. The split screen does feel a little squirrely this time around.

  • 04.19.2005 5:50 PM PDT
Subject: Weekly What's Update: Massive Attack!
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i heard today a guy tell me that he did dummy and this was after the au was realeased andanother told me he can use stand by the one that said he was going to use stand by is
Xx bluscreen xX the other i forgot his name

  • 04.19.2005 5:50 PM PDT