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Subject: What's your age? The age of the average Bungie forum visiter.
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I dont see how age affects literacy.... that's why I never give my age out online; i wnt ppl to judge me by what I say, not by my age. I know many 30+ people who are less mature than almost anyone I know, and several 10 and 11 year old people who can carry on a decent conversation with almost anyone... my point is that linking literacy to age in this thread is not only incorrect, but discriminatory as well (did I spell that right?)

  • 07.27.2004 5:23 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I agree (as I said, I think, in my first post on this thread)... I think the_Ender was just trying to see, on these forums, if age mattered or not, since all conversations are written, rather than spoken.

Texas Ben, I haven't seen you in a while. Nice to see you posting again.

  • 07.27.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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I, unlike my new intellectual compatriot Shai, however do not agree. Granted, some kids are actually capable of spelling and constructing a coherent sentence, and some "adults" are incapable of doing so. However, to say flat out that the average 15 year old has the same grammatical grasp of the language as the average 30+ year old (as you put it) is simply wrong. I'm guessing here...but are you a 15 year old? The fact that you never give your age, and didn't above either, and that you took so much offense at the idea that you might not be as good at writing (even thinking) as someone older seems to suggest that. (The "i wnt ppl" also tipped me off.) So, I'll submit to you this: A 5 year old and a 45 year are not equals when it comes to language skills. By extension, a 15 year old isn't as skilled as a 30+ year old (on average); yes, I'm aware there are illiterate people of all ages.

Also, everyone makes typos, that's obviously not what I'm talking about kiddies.

[Edited on 7/27/2004 5:54:00 PM]

  • 07.27.2004 5:50 PM PDT
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I will not say whether or not I am 15, but I will say that online, it honestly doesnt matter. I was not offended at the suggestion that there are people better at writhing/thinking/expression/whatever, I was simply stating that you saying all adolescents are poor writers is an incorrect generalization. while that does hold true for the most part, I wanted to make sure you understood that it is not an absoloute.
but... I agree... most of the people on these forums need to use better grammer (I remember the good old days before the change... when bad grammer meant puncualization and capitalization errors), but making a thread about it won't help the problem, because if they aren't smart enough to use proper grammer, how can you expect them to be mature enough to correct mistakes others point out to them.

  • 07.27.2004 6:51 PM PDT
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Speaking of "punctulization" errors in "grammer."

  • 07.27.2004 7:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: the_Ender
However, to say flat out that the average 15 year old has the same grammatical grasp of the language as the average 30+ year old (as you put it) is simply wrong. I'm guessing here...but are you a 15 year old?

True, however as with every average, there are factors...er...factoring in, both above and below the average. I myself, for example, am 15, and I'm really not ashamed of saying so, because I know anyone here with half the ability to reason wouldn't judge me by the stereotype.

  • 07.27.2004 7:21 PM PDT
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I never said I was good at it... but at least I can put together an intelligent post, and you've got to admit; that's hard to find in a person these days.

  • 07.27.2004 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sigma
Posted by: the_Ender
However, to say flat out that the average 15 year old has the same grammatical grasp of the language as the average 30+ year old (as you put it) is simply wrong. I'm guessing here...but are you a 15 year old?

True, however as with every average, there are factors...er...factoring in, both above and below the average. I myself, for example, am 15, and I'm really not ashamed of saying so, because I know anyone here with half the ability to reason wouldn't judge me by the stereotype.

which is exactly why I never disclose my age online. because there arent enough ppl with more than half the ability to reason...

  • 07.27.2004 7:33 PM PDT
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As of today, I'm fifteen.

  • 07.27.2004 8:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: goweb
I'm 13 and I know that the average age is 14 and 15 but who cares. A halo fan is a halo fan! What does age have to do with anything!
The rating, maybe?


I agree. What does the rating have to do with anything? Yeesh. A halo fan is a halo fan and we should all be treated equally. (Let's not reflect penny arcade, shall we?) I am 14 by the way, and I believe I am very literate.

AND THIS ISN'T GRAMMER CLASS! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

[Edited on 7/27/2004 8:38:44 PM]

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I'm 15 and I type however I feel like typing, and tend to not edit posts I make if I do make grammatical errors of any type. I guess thats what I get for not paying attention in computer class eh? I'll type how I wanna type and you can type how you wanna type, atleast my worst typing is semi-legible, as some peoples worst typing should be considered gibberish. "So I say to you, Good Day! I said Good Day!" :P

  • 07.27.2004 8:48 PM PDT
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Jason_4_04, get with the times!

Recon Number 54, that was a lovely post indeed. *round of applause*

The point of this thread is not to fix the problem but to bring it to peoples attention. Far too many of the people arguing over it's purpose and relevence are those who are targeted by this thread. Shai and Ender, you guys are doing a great job here and I would help more if I could.

And yes, Texas Ben needs to check to make sure he's not being hypocritical. And I'm proud to say I'm 16, I don't see why you have such issues with it!

  • 07.28.2004 4:50 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Although I am greatly enjoying this conversation, I'm going to say that wether or not the grammar changes for the better does not matter to me. I've only seen a few people (I'm not giong to name names) who use grammar so bad that you can't understand what the hell they're trying to say. As long as you can understand them, and see their points, its fine with me.

Texas Ben, I believe, uses good grammar. The only bad parts about his texts are punctuation and abreviation... Since a word is exactly the same without punctuation (for the most part, anyway), and since most people know the common online abreviations, those two do not matter much. If Texas Ben wanted to, I'm sure he could change those things... but as I said, they don't matter much (to me, and probably not to him), so they're not of much priority.

  • 07.28.2004 8:37 AM PDT

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I'm going to add a point here that I hope will be taken as constructive; let's not confuse "means" and "goal" here. That adds a lot of heat and no light at all on the subject.

The goal in posting is to be understood. That even includes posts that are deliberately weird, obtuse, or cryptic. It's got to be clear or there's very little point in making the post.

The means is, on this forum, writing. Clear writing gets us to the goal; unclear writing doesn't.

However, let's not get overly focused on the precise manner in which the writing is made clear! Spelling, grammar, punctuation are all MEANS to reach the goal of being understood. Sometimes (more often than some believe, less often than most others believe) one or more of those means becomes unnecessary... in which case it can be safely omitted.

Age is one factor in the ability for people to clearly express themselves, and is a contributing factor to many of the other factors, but it is far from the sole one. Or even the most important one.

Let's focus on the GOAL. Getting too wound up about the means will only add to the noise that's degrading the signal.

-- Steve hopes he's been clear; if not, please feel free to ask for clarification.

  • 07.28.2004 8:49 AM PDT
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27 years young :)

  • 07.28.2004 11:01 AM PDT
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If the goal is indeed clear communication, which I certainly subscribe to, then it is true that spelling, punctuation, grammar, and diction are all means to acheive this goal. The written and spoken language are no where near as complex as thought and emotion. Thus, in order to relay these abstracts to another person one must employ the aforementioned tools to the extent of his/her ability. So, as such, while I agree that the goal is very important, I believe that means are so critical in affecting the goal (clear communication) that more emphasis than is typically placed on them should be imposed. The better one utilizes the tools of communication the better one can communicate their ideas, thoughts, emotions, etc.

Evolution made higher communication possible. Language, both written and spoken, have evolved with humanity out of necessity. A dependable exchange of ideas has always been a goal whenever 2 or more -blam!- sapiens gather (whether it be online or face to face)/ Were grunts (the noise not the covie peons) and hand gestures sufficient, language would never had developed. Take that a little further; it's evident that many varied words, with clear grammatical and punctuation rules, and distinct spellings are all better than the typical sort of fodder we're supplied with in these forums. The better you write/speak - the better you communicate. Period.

Again, while I agree the destination is the apex, the road and map to it is equally important.

  • 07.28.2004 11:17 AM PDT
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I'm 15 and, just like Atsumi, I consider myself illiterate. I try to make my posts as gramma checked and misspell free as possible.

  • 07.28.2004 12:03 PM PDT
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I'm 15 and, just like Atsumi, I consider myself illiterate. I try to make my posts as gramma checked and misspell free as possible.

Typically I would ignore something so absurdly stupid. But I couldn't stop myself from highlighting your (A) Complete lack of literacy, (B) Complete lack for understanding of the word "contradiction," (C) Complete lack of spelling know how.

[Edited on 7/28/2004 12:26:24 PM]

  • 07.28.2004 12:25 PM PDT
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I dont see why you ppl keep coming in and stating your age. if your young and come in and say "I be fiFtenn anb i ar a good at spellering or at beeng liitarit", you just proved his point. I dont think that flawless grammer is neccesary, but at least try to spell right. (and to the also, to the guy who just said he considered himself literate consider the fact that madmen do not beleive themselves insane... everyone thinks they are smart; It doesnt make you smart... even if you are "misspel free")

  • 07.28.2004 2:32 PM PDT
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I r AmAzEd @ da amout off poeple in hear that r as yuong as I! I r 12 and blah blah....

HAHAHAHA naw dude, just joking. I'm 16. But if you cant spell the words, use words that have the same meanings. I'm dyslexic, so I have grammer, writing and outloud reading problems, but I can still type.Just spell check, re-read your posts, and if your reeelly L33T, go ask your mom how to spell stuff.

  • 07.28.2004 5:06 PM PDT
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By the way, it's spelled "dedicated." Should have asked your mom I guess.

[Edited on 7/28/2004 5:40:38 PM]

  • 07.28.2004 5:39 PM PDT
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im 15...and i dont see what the big deal is about misspelling...if you get the point across...whats the problem

  • 07.28.2004 8:14 PM PDT
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the big deal about mispelling is that its annoying. granted, one or two wrong letters aren't that bad, but sum peepil c'ant seim two bee abel too speel anetheing write.

  • 07.28.2004 8:26 PM PDT

[color=white]I dare you to mispell anything on your first job application and see what kind of response you get.

Also, (in general) you end up getting a Seth Green response, like when he was mocking Wilmer Valderrama on That 70s Show.

"What's that Mumble-Mouth? Speak English!"[/color]

[Edited on 7/28/2004 8:36:10 PM]

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If someone punched you in the face, they'd get the point across that they didn't like you very much. You'd probably rather that person tell you to get the point across. And you'd probably like it to be in English. And you'd probably like it to be coherent. Maybe you should read some earlier posts by some of our more long winded contributers (me included).

  • 07.29.2004 11:04 AM PDT