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Subject: Opinions of a Karma system?
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Posted by: mahspoonis2big
However, I will say that my ridiculous 14 day ban issued by Skibur for mocking some idiot (a Mythic Member, apparently) in The Flood has made it impossible to get back to a Legendary Member, which makes me think there are multiple member title consequences for a ban.
14 day bans are very harsh in the Flood and I'm not sure I agree with them (however they've certainly helped turn the Flood Forum around so I guess you can't complain too much) but the 14 day ban minimum is the shortest ban a mod can give in that forum so it is unfortunate.

It hasn't made it impossible to get back to the title, trust me I've been banned about 20 times in my time on Bungie.net and I reached Mythic member at the start of this year (a title I'd still have if I hadn't banned myself - story bungiepedia) so don't worry you can't get "title locked" or whatever. Just be a good member and honestly don't worry about titles they're overrated and mean nothing ;-)

EDIT:Posted by: BahamutZER0
I still fail to see how this is any different than the member titles... seems pretty redundant.
As I said before, I disagree it makes it redundant. If it is a system "behind the scenes" as put by borrowedchief it gives more tools to the moderators which certainly aids their job. The more tools the mods have the more efficient they can be which is always a good thing. Removing the stress of mods having to always look at a users ban history when deciding on a ban length makes it seem less like a chore so they're likely to be more enthusiastic, moderate quicker and for longer. Productivity is good.

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  • 02.06.2009 9:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: TOM T 117
Either you're not very active or much more likely you received several bans each year that have kept your title down.


Not very active is a massive understatement to my activity.

But in the past few months I have been banned a couple of times (the most recent was really pointless, but I dont make the rules...)

  • 02.06.2009 9:51 AM PDT

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: TOM T 117
^ Example to aid post- BB got himself banned down to Member quite a few times hence losing his Webcam MVP title and now he's Mythic again... sod ;-)


I've been banned twice for legitimate reasons. I've been warned/banned about 8 other times for the hell of it. Yeah, I'm looking at you NOS. I think that my contributions to the Column has more than made up for replying to trolls (which is why I was banned both times).

And I lost my Webcam title because Achronos hates it and I gave him a good reason to remove it.

Anyways, what my member title is or what my "karma" is doesn't mean dick to me. And I don't judge people based upon what their little bar says about them. I judge them off of if I recognize them for being good posters or being ass-hats. I don't need a blue bar or a numeric representation of their misdeeds to tell me that.

Now, if Ske7ch would finally get around to making a separate forum/group that was suppose to be a reward for a high "trust" or "karma" rating, then I might care a little bit more. As of right now if I want to talk to Bungie employees, I go to HBO.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I don't judge people based upon what their little bar says about them. I judge them off of if I recognize them for being good posters or being ass-hats. I don't need a blue bar or a numeric representation of their misdeeds to tell me that.

~B.B.
That is the way to regard a member title, as nothing at all but an indicator of trust which although has been proven to generally be accurate it certainly isn't a reliable indicator. Some Mythics are as you put it ass-hats and some Members are very respectable members. A little bar shouldn't give any impression, your impression of a user should be defined by their forum attitude and behavior and then even still you should read each post as it comes rather than categorising users.

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Posted by: TOM T 117
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I don't judge people based upon what their little bar says about them. I judge them off of if I recognize them for being good posters or being ass-hats. I don't need a blue bar or a numeric representation of their misdeeds to tell me that.

~B.B.
That is the way to regard a member title, as nothing at all but an indicator of trust which although has been proven to generally be accurate it certainly isn't a reliable indicator. Some Mythics are as you put it ass-hats and some Members are very respectable members. A little bar shouldn't give any impression, your impression of a user should be defined by their forum attitude and behavior and then even still you should read each post as it comes rather than categorising users.


Which is why I think this system can work very well.

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Posted by: TOM T 117
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I don't judge people based upon what their little bar says about them. I judge them off of if I recognize them for being good posters or being ass-hats. I don't need a blue bar or a numeric representation of their misdeeds to tell me that.

~B.B.
That is the way to regard a member title, as nothing at all but an indicator of trust which although has been proven to generally be accurate it certainly isn't a reliable indicator. Some Mythics are as you put it ass-hats and some Members are very respectable members. A little bar shouldn't give any impression, your impression of a user should be defined by their forum attitude and behavior and then even still you should read each post as it comes rather than categorising users.
Which is why I think this system can work very well.
Anything that encourages people to make a new account for a number is a bad thing, it'll be a bit like Halo 3's true skill system on a smaller scale which is why I think the value should be hidden from anyone but mods and admins and possibly the account owner but that isn't necessary.

A number can be generated over a long period of time, say I join and I'm immature, I stay and mature, then I've still got all the bans looming over my account, if I care and think people will look down on me because of it I'd make a new account. So in this sense good idea but for the wrong reasons.

  • 02.06.2009 11:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: TOM T 117
Anything that encourages people to make a new account for a number is a bad thing, it'll be a bit like Halo 3's true skill system on a smaller scale which is why I think the value should be hidden from anyone but mods and admins and possibly the account owner but that isn't necessary.

A number can be generated over a long period of time, say I join and I'm immature, I stay and mature, then I've still got all the bans looming over my account, if I care and think people will look down on me because of it I'd make a new account. So in this sense good idea but for the wrong reasons.


Tom you hit the nail on the head. Good post.

I totally agree with Tom on this one, although it would be nice to see, it will cause more harm and havoc then good.

  • 02.06.2009 11:43 AM PDT

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I wish they had titles after you have been banned so many times

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Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
I wish they had titles after you have been banned so many times


Why so people could brag about bad things they did?

I don't see any good coming from that idea.

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Ha, I would have -305107549087557473042987568437590834751 Karma on all of my accounts.

  • 02.06.2009 11:55 AM PDT

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  • 02.06.2009 12:02 PM PDT

Meh, other than being good for the moderation team on occasion (remember, even the greatest of members make mistakes... and believe it or not this include me! *shock*) I'd be cool to see how high/low mine would be with all of the locked threads I've asked for, but it would as always take up some precious work on the Webteam's side. They're already busy enough.

  • 02.06.2009 12:03 PM PDT

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The same reason why we will never see a Bungie.net orientated "chat room" is because the webteam and Ninjas already have what 2.5million and about 1million active (roughly, don't quote me on that guess) members to watch, on the forums alone. We do not want these employees and ninjas to keel over and die from a massively humongous work load., for if that happens we have no more Bungie.net.

So we should stick to the necessities that are deemed useful and needed, here on B.net. Until the day comes where more staff is hired and things like a Karma system and Chat rooms can be properly maintained and overlooked upon. (without stressing the webteam and the battalion of Ninjas too much.)

Personally I think a "Trust system" is more useful and appropriate for a forum at this magnitude anyways.

  • 02.06.2009 12:15 PM PDT

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We already have one, although it is called "trust rating."

It is what your title is based on. It could be used for other things, but we haven't bothered. And before you ask - it is a VERY good predictor of how much we trust the person in question to not be a bad apple, so to speak. I know this because the trust system was enabled a while before the titles were added, and observation bore out, with few exceptions, that it was a good algorithim. Additionally, it was self correcting - a trusted user acting badly lost his trust upon being banned or warned, so any outliers were quickly dealt with, by design.

My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them. The rating is calculated automatically, based on your actions on the site. You lose trust for having bans/warnings as well as being inactive. Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).

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Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them.
I'd assume 9142 is the highest value then and that the other titles are calculated off of that value. Interesting, it's a shame I can't see mine daily purely out of curiosity. I'd like to know whether or not daily activity has an impact and how much of an impact it has. I've gathered so far than annual updates are much more prominent for a member title and individual days have very little impact.

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  • 02.06.2009 12:22 PM PDT

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Can you tell us this Achronos?

When inactive, how long typically before your title falls back from say Legendary to Heroic. I am guessing it all depends on the other factors such as, time you have been a member and how many bans/warnings you have?

I am just curious because I have been jumping back and forth frequently.



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Posted by: ArchAssain
Can you tell us this Achronos?

When inactive, how long typically before your title falls back from say Legendary to Heroic. I am guessing it all depends on the other factors such as, time you have been a member and how many bans/warnings you have?

What I think is stupid is that inactive old accounts only have to log on once to jump straight back to Mythic, I'd say that activity is not weighted enough and that join date is weighted too highly.

  • 02.06.2009 12:25 PM PDT

I'd hate to see what my rating looks like, I just hope it's not lower than what I made on my SAT. (I might as well failed the SAT)

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Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.

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Posted by: Achronos
Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).
Ah so that's why I jumped to Mythic all of a sudden. Okay I have (another), these marks never really fade do they? By this I mean that once you're banned do all the former marks even if they have "faded" get taken into account? I'd assume the answer is yes but I'm curious.

  • 02.06.2009 12:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: TOM T 117
Posted by: ArchAssain
Can you tell us this Achronos?

When inactive, how long typically before your title falls back from say Legendary to Heroic. I am guessing it all depends on the other factors such as, time you have been a member and how many bans/warnings you have?

What I think is stupid is that inactive old accounts only have to log on once to jump straight back to Mythic, I'd say that activity is not weighted enough and that join date is weighted too highly.


The join date factor is weighted in to heavily. The members who have been gone for some time come back, post one decent length post and bam! They get a title that fits the date they joined.

But something else I have noticed is peoples account adjusting in time, to their activity levels. Like you said tom its stupid, which it is, but its a self maintenance system (for the most part) time heals all.

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Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.
This one is a better version

  • 02.06.2009 12:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
We already have one, although it is called "trust rating."

It is what your title is based on. It could be used for other things, but we haven't bothered. And before you ask - it is a VERY good predictor of how much we trust the person in question to not be a bad apple, so to speak. I know this because the trust system was enabled a while before the titles were added, and observation bore out, with few exceptions, that it was a good algorithim. Additionally, it was self correcting - a trusted user acting badly lost his trust upon being banned or warned, so any outliers were quickly dealt with, by design.

My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them. The rating is calculated automatically, based on your actions on the site. You lose trust for having bans/warnings as well as being inactive. Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).

Cool, I never knew that. Do you mind if I try this out with some Actionscript for a game I'm making?

  • 02.06.2009 12:42 PM PDT

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I read that Tom T 117 little bit on BungiePedia.

Haha the yeroen alt is hilariously clever.

EDIT: Just to clear why I posted this, it is in response to Tom's post at the top of the page.

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Posted by: mahspoonis2big
Haha the yeroen alt is hilariously clever.
I disagree... ;-)

EDIT: Also, banning myself with it annually isn't clever either!

[Edited on 02.06.2009 1:11 PM PST]

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