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Subject: Opinions of a Karma system?
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Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them.
Extremely interesting. 9142 is an arbitrary number... if trust was to be calculated based upon any baseline set of numerals, I'd set it at 100, 1,000, or 10,000- something easily divisible by several numbers. I'm assuming that the trust setting is either set at a max of 10,000, or there is not a set maximum "standard" whatsoever. Based upon that inference, one is led to believe your relative inactivity has, most likely, lowered your trust rating or kept it from rising as fast as possible. Interesting.

I'm curious to know if trust starts at "1" or "0" or at "10,000" (if that number is accurate), and if it is modified down or up based upon future actions. Based on your rating and my inference, I believe it would be modified down if it had a set rating, or start at "0" and work up if there was no set cap.

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  • 02.06.2009 1:24 PM PDT
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I do not think it would be a good idea for users to be able to see their trust rating. It would probably lead to the complete breakdown of the formula, which would render it useless. Also, people would be trying to artificially increase it by posting "according to the trust system's rules". Probably not a great idea.

  • 02.06.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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EDIT: Also, banning myself with it annually isn't clever either!
If the profile is permanently suspended, it wouldn't delete after a year of inactivity, thus making it unnecessary to sign in annually.

  • 02.06.2009 2:11 PM PDT

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I have mixed feelings. We don't really need these cool titles, but i don't mind them.

So far it seems to be a good addition to the site.

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Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!
Win!

I think that made mine drop a few points.I think it went up.

  • 02.06.2009 2:17 PM PDT

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I'd be 100% happy with the current system if there weren't so many glitches.

  • 02.06.2009 2:40 PM PDT
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Achronos, is there a certain minimum that a trust rating must be to become a forum moderator?

I am only asking out of curiosity, because I am (almost) certain that a moderator wouldn't be chosen out of just popularity.

  • 02.06.2009 3:27 PM PDT

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It's not like if you have x amount of points you will become a moderator. Moderators aren't chosen by points, you become a moderator by being trusted by Achronos, by the content of your posts.

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Posted by: Tibetz
Achronos, is there a certain minimum that a trust rating must be to become a forum moderator?

I am only asking out of curiosity, because I am (almost) certain that a moderator wouldn't be chosen out of just popularity.

  • 02.06.2009 3:29 PM PDT

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Yeah but what about question threads? People sometimes ask for a lock b/c question answered.

I say that you lose all karma if you are banned.
That way its like a streak.

  • 02.06.2009 3:35 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

There is an arbitrary maximum value that's not 10000.

And also, to those who complain join date factors in too heavily. I'd agree except that it happens to be one of the most consistent predictors of behavior.

Finally - you can't get locked out of your title. Each type of ban has a specific effect on your rating that lasts for a specific amount of time. The longer the ban, the more the negative effect is. And while you're banned, you get like a -1000000 trust, the negative influencer happens after you come off the ban. These negative influencers last a long time, especially for the longer bans, which is why you seem to think they last forever.

Posted by: Lord Snakie
Extremely interesting. 9142 is an arbitrary number... if trust was to be calculated based upon any baseline set of numerals, I'd set it at 100, 1,000, or 10,000- something easily divisible by several numbers. I'm assuming that the trust setting is either set at a max of 10,000, or there is not a set maximum "standard" whatsoever. Based upon that inference, one is led to believe your relative inactivity has, most likely, lowered your trust rating or kept it from rising as fast as possible. Interesting.

I'm curious to know if trust starts at "1" or "0" or at "10,000" (if that number is accurate), and if it is modified down or up based upon future actions. Based on your rating and my inference, I believe it would be modified down if it had a set rating, or start at "0" and work up if there was no set cap.

Another day, another slim, slim piece of the puzzle.

  • 02.06.2009 3:37 PM PDT

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Like what?
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I'd be 100% happy with the current system if there weren't so many glitches.

  • 02.06.2009 3:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
There is an arbitrary maximum value that's not 10000.
Well there goes my theory. Thanks for the notice anyhow.

  • 02.06.2009 3:40 PM PDT

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Yeah So i wonder what happens when you actually reach that "arbitrary maximum".
Well, is it possible, and, can it be awarded?
can you edit players trust value/rating/whatever_its_called?

  • 02.06.2009 3:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is an arbitrary maximum value that's not 10000.

And also, to those who complain join date factors in too heavily. I'd agree except that it happens to be one of the most consistent predictors of behavior.

Finally - you can't get locked out of your title. Each type of ban has a specific effect on your rating that lasts for a specific amount of time. The longer the ban, the more the negative effect is. And while you're banned, you get like a -1000000 trust, the negative influencer happens after you come off the ban. These negative influencers last a long time, especially for the longer bans, which is why you seem to think they last forever.

Posted by: Lord Snakie
Extremely interesting. 9142 is an arbitrary number... if trust was to be calculated based upon any baseline set of numerals, I'd set it at 100, 1,000, or 10,000- something easily divisible by several numbers. I'm assuming that the trust setting is either set at a max of 10,000, or there is not a set maximum "standard" whatsoever. Based upon that inference, one is led to believe your relative inactivity has, most likely, lowered your trust rating or kept it from rising as fast as possible. Interesting.

I'm curious to know if trust starts at "1" or "0" or at "10,000" (if that number is accurate), and if it is modified down or up based upon future actions. Based on your rating and my inference, I believe it would be modified down if it had a set rating, or start at "0" and work up if there was no set cap.

Another day, another slim, slim piece of the puzzle.

Since we get -1,000,000 trust for being banned, I'm assuming the maximum trust level is 1,000,000.

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  • 02.06.2009 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: SHADOW167
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  • 02.06.2009 3:56 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

There is no minimum value. There is a maximum value, five digit number - there has to be for the math to work right. And no, it isn't really possible to reach it, there are some statistical limits that make it harder to go up past a certain point. The effective maximum ends up being close whatever I am right now, but that's a "designed" fluke of the math (I'm not actually the highest, there are more than a few higher than me).

And Rampancy, your number is 655. So there.

Posted by: nubyw00tz
Since we get -1,000,000 trust for being banned, I'm assuming the maximum trust level is 1,000,000.


[Edited on 02.06.2009 3:57 PM PST]

  • 02.06.2009 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.


It was worth it.

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Posted by: hawkeye543
It's not like if you have x amount of points you will become a moderator. Moderators aren't chosen by points, you become a moderator by being trusted by Achronos, by the content of your posts.

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Posted by: Tibetz
Achronos, is there a certain minimum that a trust rating must be to become a forum moderator?

I am only asking out of curiosity, because I am (almost) certain that a moderator wouldn't be chosen out of just popularity.


this was what I was worried how people would react over my question.

I wasn't asking if trust = moderators, I was asking if they were considering a certain person to become a moderator, do they need to have attained a certain trust rating before they could be accepted?

  • 02.06.2009 4:03 PM PDT

Don't send me group invites.

For the most part, I like the current system. Just like many others, it is a little frustrating not knowing the way the values are calculated.

Actually, I just want to know how the first word in the member titles are determined.

Like me, a "Fabled" member? My first year on this account I was banned like 10 times.

[Edited on 02.06.2009 4:07 PM PST]

  • 02.06.2009 4:03 PM PDT

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Yeah I don't get the Noble, Fabled, etc factor either.

  • 02.06.2009 4:06 PM PDT

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As I said, they are picked by the content of their posts, and simply if Achronos trusts them enough to become a moderator. Great Pretender became a Forum Ninja after around a little over half a year of posting(correct me if I'm wrong), if there was a set limit of trust points needed to become a moderator, I doubt TGP could have gotten it in that little of time.

I think that answers your question.

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Posted by: Tibetz
this was what I was worried how people would react over my question.

I wasn't asking if trust = moderators, I was asking if they were considering a certain person to become a moderator, do they need to have attained a certain trust rating before they could be accepted?

  • 02.06.2009 4:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXCAKERSXx
i like this idea

  • 02.06.2009 4:10 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

The prefixes mean different things. Some refer to you not being banned for a long time, some refer to you posting a lot, some refer to your account's age. They are not related to trust rating. There's already a thread about this elsewhere I believe.

Posted by: CorvetteHalo3
Yeah I don't get the Noble, Fabled, etc factor either.

  • 02.06.2009 4:13 PM PDT