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Subject: Opinions of a Karma system?

Posted by: Rampancy
I am not a number. I am a person.


Your SSN says differently.

If there anyway, for us, to find out how long a ban affects our Trust Rating? Is it a simple formula? Three days = 2 weeks, being banned from the Flood twice for replying to spam = a long ass time?

[Edited on 02.06.2009 4:22 PM PST]

  • 02.06.2009 4:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
And Rampancy, your number is 655. So there.

I think this is one time i can get away with posting "owned" while quoting Achronos.

  • 02.06.2009 4:18 PM PDT

I have no opinion one way or the other.

Posted by: burritosenior
A. I vote no.
B.locked thread but no ban issued - -.5 karma lost.
So if you make a thread and other people get the thread locked, you get punished?
Well, I suppose the moderator could just choose how many karma points he wants to negate?

  • 02.06.2009 4:36 PM PDT

Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.



Yes.....yes you did

  • 02.06.2009 4:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
We already have one, although it is called "trust rating."

It is what your title is based on. It could be used for other things, but we haven't bothered. And before you ask - it is a VERY good predictor of how much we trust the person in question to not be a bad apple, so to speak. I know this because the trust system was enabled a while before the titles were added, and observation bore out, with few exceptions, that it was a good algorithim. Additionally, it was self correcting - a trusted user acting badly lost his trust upon being banned or warned, so any outliers were quickly dealt with, by design.

My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them. The rating is calculated automatically, based on your actions on the site. You lose trust for having bans/warnings as well as being inactive. Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).

This would explain why I am Legendary even though I got banned a bit more than I should have when I first joined up.

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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.


I so wanted to say that.

  • 02.06.2009 5:08 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

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-legato on remedial chaos theory

Only if negative titles were implemented.

Else, down with this -blam!- of a system.

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If the profile is permanently suspended, it wouldn't delete after a year of inactivity, thus making it unnecessary to sign in annually.


He accidentally signed into the email that he used to sign up with on the now-permabanned account, and then went to BNet, which caused Disembodied Soul to ban him for trying to bypass a ban.

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Achronos
And Rampancy, your number is 655. So there.

I think this is one time i can get away with posting "owned" while quoting Achronos.

Don't act like you don't wish you knew your number.
; )

  • 02.07.2009 2:17 AM PDT
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Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.

  • 02.07.2009 2:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: RedNeon
Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.
Well considering it's 2:30 AM and Saturday, I doubt any will be getting responses.

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Who else thinks he waited to tell us his trust rating until after it was

over 9000?

  • 02.07.2009 4:08 AM PDT
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I think members already have enough to brag about, titles, bringing an exact number into it might make matters worse.

Posted by: RedNeon
Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.
Yeah... about that....

[Edited on 02.07.2009 6:33 AM PST]

  • 02.07.2009 6:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
The prefixes mean different things. Some refer to you not being banned for a long time, some refer to you posting a lot, some refer to your account's age. They are not related to trust rating. There's already a thread about this elsewhere I believe.

Posted by: CorvetteHalo3
Yeah I don't get the Noble, Fabled, etc factor either.


There is one thing I still don't understand. Why would you lose points for being inactive for a certain amount of time. If a member is always well behaved and helps people around the site. And that certain member took a vacation for a month why should his trust go down?

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Posted by: Anto Avengerr
There is one thing I still don't understand. Why would you lose points for being inactive for a certain amount of time. If a member is always well behaved and helps people around the site. And that certain member took a vacation for a month why should his trust go down?
If I had to guess, I would assume that the "Trust" rating is actually more like a "Trust/Devotion to Site" rating. If a person is gone for quite some time, they're not exactly going to be trusted to do everything that they could normally do if they were increadibly active- or even semi-active- right? I mean, you could be the most intelligent, gifted, and trustworthy person on this site- but if you're gone a month, everything you're doing halts.

If you don't have the time, then you probably don't care enough- that's another idea behind what it could be. Regardless, I think it's a good modifier. I just think that it shouldn't be very weighted, unless Achronos comes and enlightens us that it has some level of "higher" purpose beyond what I've suggested.

  • 02.07.2009 7:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rampancy
Don't act like you don't wish you knew your number.
; )

You know me too well Rampy.

  • 02.07.2009 7:49 AM PDT

Fable + Fallout, much?

Heh, I like this idea.

  • 02.07.2009 9:14 AM PDT

Some of the people who are complaining about inactive people jumping up to Legendary/Mythic shouldn't worry. I am quite sure that isn't the case. At least not anymore. Member since 04, average activity, no bans, only a Heroic member. I was a Mythic some time ago but it changed awhile back. Right around the time the prefixes were added. So, if inactives were getting jumped up, they are not anymore. Besides, it's just a title.

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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Achronos
My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.

It's over 9000!

I think that made mine drop a few points.


Haha, I laughed at that man.
But anyways, I had an account that was a Heroic Member. I posted a lot and was pretty good but one day I made a kinda bad post and got banned. I didn't think it through, and it cost me. Just a warning: think your posts through, mates. If it's in the wrong Forum or it's just plain bad, don't do it. Unless Banadu is your style?

  • 02.07.2009 1:41 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

i see absolutely no reason to institute a karma system. karma points are nearly meaningless, and they even seem inferior to the title system.

  • 02.07.2009 8:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
A. I vote no.
B.locked thread but no ban issued - -.5 karma lost.
So if you make a thread and other people get the thread locked, you get punished?
Well, I suppose the moderator could just choose how many karma points he wants to negate?


With all of the threads that get locked, and all of the posts that could lie within those threads, that would be a lot for the moderators to sift through. That seems like a hefty bit of work, doesn't it? I know I wouldn't want to have to go through and do that myself for 20 threads in an hour :-P

  • 02.07.2009 8:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: S1NESTER
But my question is I have heard that having your password saved affects this system, is this true?


I've never heard anything like that. I know that saving your password isn't looked upon too positively, but I don't recall reading that it has any affect on your trust level.

[Edited on 02.07.2009 8:13 PM PST]

  • 02.07.2009 8:12 PM PDT

Points? Any chance of us knowing the point total needed to go Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic?
It wouldn't hurt all that much, since we'd still not know how to 'cheat' the system. I'm curious about the differences is all.

I became Heroic for the first time a day after my 3 day ban expired (if I'm remembering correctly). I've always wondered how that worked out. I was a member. I get banned. Not only does the number (whatever it was) go down because of the ban, but I haven't been active for those three days. So why did I go up after it?

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  • 02.07.2009 8:13 PM PDT

We just need to instigate more elitism and Mythic shenanigans.

I think it would be a good idea to add a reputation button, so if one user thought another was doing something good, like creating a good thread, or answering a question, they could click the add rep button, and if they thought it wasn't very good or useful, but not against the rules, they could click the subtract rep button. It might cause problems with boosting rep, but It would gather a lot of information about what the community in general thinks.

  • 02.07.2009 8:25 PM PDT