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Subject: Even more conclusive theory...
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when he says "human history is it?" why do you get the idea that humans are forerunners.

and when he says "all of our lost time" it could mean that he lost track of info of all the other worlds in the universe

  • 07.13.2004 12:22 AM PDT

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It's a little better than the crap you were posting before, but that was never my issue. You got ignorant when someone disagreed with you, you were selfish (Make this a sticky Wahhh!) And in summation, you have a tiny pen|s. I'm done with you, you've wasted too much of my time already. Now I intend to show my theory to MIT that the world is really a dodecahedron, using dice and a doughnut with a straw in it. I call it "The Chaplain Case"

  • 07.13.2004 12:25 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

For one... thank you for final giving a detailed explanation. Secondly...

Now, Eagle117 your question went something along the lines of why did they create a weapon for their own demise. I really don't know why they would do that. Hmm, But here's something, that doesn't prove either way that humans are not forerunners. All that does is prove that we/them have made a stupid invention.

We do this all the time. Can anyone say ICBM? What is the major cause of us not getting involved into a major conflict with other powerful nations? Nukes, we made them... they were our invention. Yet, if we have a major conflict globally chances are they are gettin fired and we pretty much ALL go bye-bye. We created a weapon for own demise, to kill our enemies, yet they have them as well. Mutual descruction is the best avertment to war.

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  • 07.13.2004 12:25 AM PDT
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I do not lie, and if anyone else thought I did, they would have backed you up.

You're lying right there, every human being lies, it's a natural thing. And you know what? You're in a place with multiple firends, I am not, no wonder they wouldn't say you lie.

My stupid sources on Kennawick Man is the one and only Discovery Channel. He is the oldest fossil -blam!- Sapiens on the American Continent not the world. And he's not alive moron.

Well I guess my History teacher is an idiot then huh. And if I can tell you anything, he isn't.

I just will not respond to you anymore. You are an ignorant pr.ick, you have no class.

Haha, you're so dumb you can't even tell me how I am an "ignorant" "prick." And do you knwo what a "Prick" is? If you knew that, you'd have to have seen it, and I sure as hell wouldn't show another guy.

I just owned you and you still tried to twist it and insult me.

You did nothing to me, all you said was that I was wrong. You know something? I wasn't.

You are a ignorant liar, and the intelligence you claim to field is suspect at best.

You put words together to make yourself look smart. Guess what? I'm not ignorant, I haven't lied to you guys on these forums yet, intelligence? I haven't claimed to be smart at all. You said that. And besides that fact, you knwo I'm not dumb or a liar, you just say that to make me feel bad (Which isn't happening.) And you can't present me with any proof that I am a liar or ignorant.

You are an idiot. You are a simpleton. I never lied, and I don't lie,

You've repeated yourself right there twice now, arer you tired or something?

I never lied, and I don't lie,

You lied again and you repeated yourself again, if you're getting fatigued, you should sleep.

and if you're going to be worth a damn in anyone's eyes, you need to knock it off.

Knock what off? Are you saying that having my own opinion is against the law? Are you trying to take this freedom away from me? Would you like me to take you to court?

Quit being a little man, and quit trying to overcompensate for things you know nothing about.

I Obviously know more about it than you because you seem to be DUMBfounded.

I went through your letter piece by piece and, for lack of a better word, OWNED you.

Hmmm, isn't that what I'm doing right now? To you? I have just anhilated two of your posts.

I proved everything you said to be utter tripe.

No, no you haven't. All yuo have said is that fossil records date back to a certain era.... What does that prove anyways? SO what if the human race was destroyed (Excuse me... "Forerunner Race") That means that in fact there should be no covenant either... you reject. lol you proved yourself wrong.

Go away. You bother me brat.


Ohhhh, are you goint to go tell your mommy on me now?

I am just sickened by the mere thought that you may actually be smart enough to pass high school. I guess business math isn't all that selective though.

I laughed at that part, You're sickened? lol I must really have a powerful affect on you underlings. LOL. Seeya round. And it still stands, my "theory" is not wrong.

  • 07.13.2004 12:40 AM PDT

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Uhh chaplain dude...the forerunners are not humans,maybe they WERE on the milky way galaxy before us..and owned many solar systems and planets..and all,but that does not mean they are HUMANS.

  • 07.13.2004 12:44 AM PDT
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This is when I say go read my defense. "Human history is it?" "All of our lost time." It's the best proof we have yet, and you guys hate it, only because you hate me, so be it. But I will take as many of you to hell as possible as you make me fall.

  • 07.13.2004 12:48 AM PDT

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But I will take as many of you to hell as possible as you make me fall. <<<<AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! calm yourself buddy,are you watching too many movies again?i don't hate you,look,the reason the monitor said that was because maybe..he thought mc belonged to the forerunners,like,when he saw mc's battle suit technology and shielding,and this is where you put all the pieces together..starting with the jackal's shield,(thanks to deathscy i was able to put the pieces together)the jackal's shield..FORERUNNER TECHNOLOGY..now this is where it gets interesting..READ!
**Covenant intelligence believes that the Spartans MJOLNIR armor's shield was devised by reverse-engineering the Jackal shields, it was later improved upon it to make it much more efficient.***<<<<<<<spartans MJOLNIR...comes from the jackal's shield..formerly forerunner technology stolen from halo to use the of the covenants.this is why maybe the monirtor thought mc was the re-claimer<<<be sure to knwo what that means. BECAUSE OF THE FAMILIAR technology(and please don't mind the caps like other dumbas$es do cuz they're too plastic and complain about every single little crap.)

Real simple ...Forerunner technology(in this case jackal's shield)<<Stolen by covenants..
Jackal was captured<<<humans studied the shield..they reversed engineered it to make it more efficient..more advanced,better looking..<<<<<*Monitor* sees mcwith this type of technology,whats the best estimated guess for him?"oh shizzle,this is my master(forerunners,as YOU know were/are his masters)master let's get the index(since the monitor can't do it HIMSELF)".Mc is just helping the monitor out to get rid of the flood but did not know what he was really doing untill the level Two Betrayals..see where i'm going with this buddy?this is a big story you're making up here...and look all that it's caused.

[Edited on 7/13/2004 1:24:39 AM]

  • 07.13.2004 1:08 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: SS Halo
But I will take as many of you to hell as possible as you make me fall. <<<<AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! calm yourself buddy,are you watching too many movies again?i don't hate you,look,the reason the monitor said that was because maybe..he thought mc belonged to the forerunners,like,when he saw mc's battle suit technology and shielding,and this is where you put all the pieces together..starting with the jackal's shield,(thanks to deathscy i was able to put the pieces together)the jackal's shield..FORERUNNER TECHNOLOGY..now this is where it gets interesting..READ!
**Covenant intelligence believes that the Spartans MJOLNIR armor's shield was devised by reverse-engineering the Jackal shields, it was later improved upon it to make it much more efficient.***<<<<<<<spartans MJOLNIR...comes from the jackal's shield..formerly forerunner technology stolen from halo to use the of the covenants.this is why maybe the monirtor thought mc was the re-claimer<<<be sure to knwo what that means. BECAUSE OF THE FAMILIAR technology(and please don't mind the caps like other dumbas$es do cuz they're too plastic and complain about every single little crap.)


Hmmm, interesting. This would also fit though by supporting the Forerunner = Human connection. The Covies don't make, they steal and copy. With this info there is now TWO times in the books we have shown to take Covie, (Forerunner tech), and re-engineer it to make it better. The Shield and the Plasma Turrets on the Ascendant Justice. I doubt us being able to do this is a coicedence. How can we always make it work better than the Covies, maybe perhaps cause we made it?

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  • 07.13.2004 1:23 AM PDT

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now you see my friend?(give deathscy credit,seriously)read my edited post and you will coem to your senses.read it.it's even clearer NOW.

[Edited on 7/13/2004 1:26:57 AM]

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Here's how you've already lost:

Your argument consists of one thing - of one 'simple' thing (as you like to put it);
you claim that Guilty Sparks 'our history comment' seals up your argument. You claim, the humans are Forerunner. It is no longer a theory now - it is fact! This is your argument.

However, let's see how this argument would look like in a court of law, shall we?

Ah yes! It's called 'hearsay':

Posted by: dictionary.com
hear·say ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hîrs)
n.
1. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
Law.
2. Law. Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.[/quote]

And you know what else? It doesn't matter whether or not GS states clearly and loudly proclaims, "Humans are Forerunner!" - it is a complete fallacy...inadmissible...theory...conjecture...NOT FACT!

Why? Because you have no clue whether he was lying or telling truth. You don't know if GS was somehow misinformed or not. You have no clue what he meant or what his motivations were when he said that statement. You're argument is hearsay.

Uh...yeah. I just wanted to repeat this again.

Chaplain, you're argument is hearsay...complete hearsay - therefore, it is only a theory - not fact.

I have no problem listening to the theories of others. What bothers me is when someone tries to claim that their 'theories' and indeed facts when there is no SOLID proof.

  • 07.13.2004 1:42 AM PDT

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Were you talking about my explanation to him?

  • 07.13.2004 1:44 AM PDT
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Were you talking about my explanation to him?

No, actually your response proves the flaw in taking what GS says as only having one meaning when there are many possibilities to what he could've meant with his statement.

There are two things that bother me about Chaplains 'human/Forerunner crusade':
1. His ignorance in completely throwing out science as if Halo had no science. He believes that its just a story and therefore science should just be ignored. Well, no, it shouldn't. Science and physics are present in all stories unless proven otherwise.

2. He posted somewhere, I can't find it now, that his theories were not theories but were, instead, fact. They aren't fact, not just because Guilty Spark says so...

  • 07.13.2004 2:16 AM PDT

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I think guilty spark was rather confused...i mean,from what i posted..maybe he thought mc was the forerunners becuz of the battle suit's technology..think about it.,.how it all started with the jackal's shielding...wich is forerunner technology stolen by the covenant,later reversed engineered to be more efficient.wich is the one spartans and elites use..and sentinels as well.<<<remember sentinels are forerunner technology(check out their shielding)

[Edited on 7/13/2004 2:30:42 AM]

  • 07.13.2004 2:29 AM PDT
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sounds very out there but also very plausable.

  • 07.13.2004 2:30 AM PDT

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Just give it a little thought thats all.

  • 07.13.2004 2:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain

But I will take as many of you to hell as possible as you make me fall.


HA! HE HAS ADMITTED DEFEAT! WOOHOO THE WAR IS FINALLY OVER!

ok im overreacting but once he starts insulting us it means he has run out of ideas to keep his theory up which means he is finished.

(he didnt have much to keep his theory up anyway it was just one line said by a rampant ai im surprised that he kept his theory up so long before he broke down)

[Edited on 7/13/2004 3:02:35 AM]

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I dont know if we're decendants from forerunners, but halo seems to be created in earths image dont you think? Its mostly water ( i think) and has air, its own weather, as cortana pointed out, it seems quite perfect to sustain life, human in particular, or somehting close to human ( as the marines found out). Earth is quite unique in the (known) universe, doing a pretty sweet job raising us. Anyway theres way to much to say, so ill just say its seems a bit too much of a coincidence that halo is almost identical to earth ( except, well yeah, its a ring)

  • 07.13.2004 4:01 AM PDT

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ok..well here,let me show you why installation 04 was so similar to earth.
Here..learn a bit..

At one point in the Forerunner's history, they encountered the Flood. For whatever reason, they felt it was necessary to contain and study the Flood, in colossal facilities capable of omitting sentient life from the entire galaxy, rather than destroy them outright. Their allowance of the Flood's perpetuation could be considered an inexcusable lack of foresight for such an advanced civilization, though without knowing their precise reasoning, the passing of judgement is problematic.

The Forerunner had abandoned this Halo, Installation 04, some time ago, leaving their robotic compatriots behind to defend and monitor the installation. Seeing the Master Chief and Cortana breach protocol and refuse to activate Halo upon the Flood's release, 343 Guilty Spark turns Halo's only known internal defensive system on them: the Sentinels. The Sentinels are floating Mantis-like machines, using what is presumably Forerunner weapon and shield technology. Unlike the the Human and Covenant arsenal, the Sentinels used some sort of controlled stream of energy. Deadly and precise, they appear to be more like surgical cutting tools than offensive weaponry, and while effective against the Flood's lower forms, are easily overcome by the Warrior class.

Their relics are not restricted to Halo 04. The Aztec-esque stones of C'ort Azur, the arches and weathered inscriptions of Sigma Octanus, the intricate caverns and 3km holographic dome beneath ONI's Reach complex, the ancient stepping-stones of the Grunt's homeworld, and the Prophet's own claim to have evolved on an abandoned Forerunner planet, not to mention the countless installations undoubtedly pilfered to allow the Covenant to have achieved their current levels of technology, all give testament to this galaxy's permeation.

  • 07.13.2004 8:13 AM PDT
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ok this is wrong, the covenant refer the forerunners as the Gods, and refer to them and try to copy their ways. They do not want to destroy the forerunner they want to learn from them, hence in First Strike when they do not destroy Reach in order to obtain the "crystal". Hence, they do not fire at the pillar of autumn when they are close to Halo so they will not destroy it. They said they do not want to destroy the sacred relic.

NO, humans are not forerunners, if we were the covenant would not be in a huge war against us.

  • 07.13.2004 8:42 AM PDT

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More or less,BUT the main reason they didn't wanna destroy halo..was because of the technology,covenants greatest achievements in tecjnology has been thanks to the one they have collected from installation 04(halo),you said..
*ok this is wrong, the covenant refer the forerunners as the Gods, and refer to them and try to copy their ways.*<<<<<<that is a so so statement..above it i explained what has really happened..they're not really trying to copy the forerunners ways at all,they just want their advanced technology so they can improve theirs.and i do agree that humans are not forerunners at all.

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they just want their advanced technology so they can improve theirs.and i do agree that humans are not forerunners at all.

which in a way is copying........

  • 07.13.2004 8:49 AM PDT

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Copying but making it better..if you didn't read my explanation above your first post i think,on this page.read it,they did the same thing humans did with the jackal's shield(pure forerunner technology).READ !it's above war of achiiles' post.

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There is something Champlain needs to realize..

Even if we are Forerunner, which is certainly as possible as any other theory posted on this thread or any other, it makes no difference to the outcome of the game's story does it not? The Covanent have invaded earth, and will destroy whether or not we are Forerunner, and they will do it without thinking twice! The question is how do we win? What is MC going to have to do to beat the Covanent? It really doesn't make a difference if we are Forerunner or not, because if we don't find a way to win we will be destroyed anyway. If we do discover that we are indeed Forerunner, what exactly does that do for us in our war with the Covanent? You might say, "Oh but if the covies find out we are thier Gods they won't kill us." Hmm, if that is how we beat the covanent that would be a terrible way to end the game, or at least the war with the covanent. And the covies have walked over us to this point, they would be thinking," hey u know waht, we are better than the supposed Gods we worship." Bottom line, Forerunner or not, we are in alot of trouble.

  • 07.13.2004 9:41 AM PDT
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HA! HE HAS ADMITTED DEFEAT! WOOHOO THE WAR IS FINALLY OVER!

Nope, I have only addmitted you're trying to bring me down, this is only the begining, and now I've got some new evidence that should boost me back on my feet again.

Check this out.

"Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done?" 343 Guilty Spark Demandd.

What YOU have already done. Humans. Possibly. And That proves that there was AT LEAST, a human looking figure on Halo before. Now then take into consideration he call ALL humans Reclaimer. So he was very possibly saying, (Rewritten in my own words what he could in fact have been saying.) "Why would you hesitate to do what your people have done before?"

That's not it.

"If you are unwilling to help--I will simply find another," Spark said conversationally.

Doesn't a "Reclaimer" need to activate the installation? "...I will simply find another." He is refferring to the human race as the Reclaimer.

That's still not all.

What type of geravitation system do the covenant have? They have mysterious forms that just automaticly attract you to the floor, now UNSC and Human artificial gravity is created how? (Remember in the boxing ring where Chief Really screwed up those four O.D.S.T.'s. It's call Centrifugal force. What type of artificial gravity does the halo have? You don't even need the book to know this one, it's a "ring" world. Obviously sense it is spinning there's it's gravitational poll. But if you're giong to get cranky I'll give you the fricking book example.

"Captain," Cortana said, "the object is clearly aritificial. There's a gravity field that controls the ring's spin and keeps the atmosphere inside."

That type of Artificial Gravity is Human based. Oh and would you like more about its gravity?

"But it appears that the ring has an oxygen-nitrogen based atmosphere an earth normal gravity."

Now I don't know if you caught all of that but its got earth normal gravity, and the atmosphere is perfect human living conditions, complete with perfect air, nice gravity, and weather conditions such as sun, snow, rain, etc... Wouldn't you think, that whoever built the Halo's, would build them to their own liking? Yes, I would think that and so would you. This is exactly as a human planet should be. The G-Forces not too extreme, and the air is perfect and breathable.

Now, lets go over everything, that I've said.

1. He is referring to the human race as Reclaimer. Not just Master Chief, and the forerunner activated it before, 343 says this, he says, that we've done this before. He was reffering to the Forerunner, but we are human, he didn't know we call ourselves human. But never-the-less, he says we're Forerunner. (Inadvertantly, in fact, does he ever do anything advertently?) Now to number two.

2. Earth Normal Gravity, and Oxygen-Nitrogen based air. Why would this be? Maybe because the builders of the halo wanted to survive on their own creation, so they would obviously build something to their liking. Even further proof that Humans built the ring.

3. The gravity system is human based. It is a human model of artificial gravity.

4. He said he had considerable time to ponder the question, does "Considerable time" sound like 100,000 years? I think it does. (Note: This does not mean an MC look alike, he refer's to all humans as Reclaimer.)

5. He said "Last time you asked me..." "...And I still say yes." 343 has talked to human life forms before. On Halo. And you know what? There is way more than just sufficient proof here. Please understand this time. It seems like every time I post one of these there is plenty of evidence but you guys try to flame it and forget about what I said, and how much sense it makes.

[Edited on 7/13/2004 11:50:42 AM]

  • 07.13.2004 11:32 AM PDT

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Build something to their liking?how many times do i have to EXPLAIN why these installations were built?it's really annoying having to repeat things,specially when others can;'t read.

[color=gold]******************```!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!At one point in the Forerunner's history, they encountered the Flood. For whatever reason, they felt it was necessary to contain and study the Flood, in colossal facilities capable of omitting sentient life from the entire galaxy~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*******************[/color]

  • 07.13.2004 12:03 PM PDT