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Subject: Is this relevant?
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Stated by the Gundam Wing Fanatic: Bingo. and all the new "evidence" you have presented chaplain is pure speculation and has nothing concrete. you just took a few words out of context and spun them to your own end. find something concrete and then I will prove you wrong, till then dont bother with speculation.

WHOA!!!! LOL, You made me laugh in real life! LOL, this sounds like, uh, like you didn't even read it all. Which you most likley didn't. Dude, (Or is it Dudette?) You- You're- You need to sort out all of this stuff going on in your head! ALL of that, ALL of it, is ALL speculation from DIRECT, quptes, nothing in there is unidrest. It's all DIRECTLY, from the books, and game. And I haven't twisted anything around, I feel like, like, like, you need to actually read it. Go read it, then you can start talking. And still, you didn't prove me wrong all you did was just say I'm wrong, prove how it is wrong, Dude(tte).

  • 07.13.2004 11:16 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

the only reason you posted that 'witty' remark is because you know that everyone who has said that exact same thing is right
you just don't want your ego deflated

  • 07.13.2004 11:18 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

you have such a problem with everyone elses theories that you have to bash them
you just can't accept the fact that you might be wrong

  • 07.13.2004 11:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain
HA! HE HAS ADMITTED DEFEAT! WOOHOO THE WAR IS FINALLY OVER!

Nope, I have only addmitted you're trying to bring me down, this is only the begining, and now I've got some new evidence that should boost me back on my feet again.

Check this out.

"Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done?" 343 Guilty Spark Demandd.

What YOU have already done. Humans. Possibly. And That proves that there was AT LEAST, a human looking figure on Halo before. Now then take into consideration he call ALL humans Reclaimer. So he was very possibly saying, (Rewritten in my own words what he could in fact have been saying.) "Why would you hesitate to do what your people have done before?"

That's not it.

"If you are unwilling to help--I will simply find another," Spark said conversationally.

Doesn't a "Reclaimer" need to activate the installation? "...I will simply find another." He is refferring to the human race as the Reclaimer.

That's still not all.

What type of geravitation system do the covenant have? They have mysterious forms that just automaticly attract you to the floor, now UNSC and Human artificial gravity is created how? (Remember in the boxing ring where Chief Really screwed up those four O.D.S.T.'s. It's call Centrifugal force. What type of artificial gravity does the halo have? You don't even need the book to know this one, it's a "ring" world. Obviously sense it is spinning there's it's gravitational poll. But if you're giong to get cranky I'll give you the fricking book example.

"Captain," Cortana said, "the object is clearly aritificial. There's a gravity field that controls the ring's spin and keeps the atmosphere inside."

That type of Artificial Gravity is Human based. Oh and would you like more about its gravity?

"But it appears that the ring has an oxygen-nitrogen based atmosphere an earth normal gravity."

Now I don't know if you caught all of that but its got earth normal gravity, and the atmosphere is perfect human living conditions, complete with perfect air, nice gravity, and weather conditions such as sun, snow, rain, etc... Wouldn't you think, that whoever built the Halo's, would build them to their own liking? Yes, I would think that and so would you. This is exactly as a human planet should be. The G-Forces not too extreme, and the air is perfect and breathable.

Now, lets go over everything, that I've said.

1. He is referring to the human race as Reclaimer. Not just Master Chief, and the forerunner activated it before, 343 says this, he says, that we've done this before. He was reffering to the Forerunner, but we are human, he didn't know we call ourselves human. But never-the-less, he says we're Forerunner. (Inadvertantly, in fact, does he ever do anything advertently?) Now to number two.

2. Earth Normal Gravity, and Oxygen-Nitrogen based air. Why would this be? Maybe because the builders of the halo wanted to survive on their own creation, so they would obviously build something to their liking. Even further proof that Humans built the ring.

3. The gravity system is human based. It is a human model of artificial gravity.

4. He said he had considerable time to ponder the question, does "Considerable time" sound like 100,000 years? I think it does. (Note: This does not mean an MC look alike, he refer's to all humans as Reclaimer.)

5. He said "Last time you asked me..." "...And I still say yes." 343 has talked to human life forms before. On Halo. And you know what? There is way more than just sufficient proof here. Please understand this time. It seems like every time I post one of these there is plenty of evidence but you guys try to flame it and forget about what I said, and how much sense it makes.





Ok where is there solid evidence here? please point it out and I will glady shoot it down. another thing its not called "centrifigal force", thats a 6th grade term and its improper. its called "incidental centripital acceleration". you sure make alot of claims in this crackpot theory and have yet to back it with solid eveidence. stop spinning words without having evidence to back your monotonous droning. oh yea..grow up and learn not to make fun of names chaplain. its unbecoming of someone who "claims" they are a great theorist and is yet to be defeated. And dont try and rebut the gravity claim because I know more about ringworlds than you could even begin to imagine. I study them daily(has nothing to do with halo, I am working on a physics major)

[Edited on 7/13/2004 11:26:08 PM]

  • 07.13.2004 11:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain
ALL of that, ALL of it, is ALL speculation from DIRECT, quptes, nothing in there is unidrest.

Thank you. Concession accepted.

Now you can drop this...you've lost.

  • 07.13.2004 11:25 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

have you even read Eagle 117's theory Chaplain?
i guess not or else you would have realized a long time ago that your theory is wrong and obsolete

  • 07.13.2004 11:27 PM PDT
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Well I haven't posted in a while, and seeing as there are some intelligent people posting here (Mainly Achilles and Machavelli stand out to me, though others are doing a good job), I figured I'd insert my two cents. In regards to Humans BEING Forerunner, I don't completely negate the possibility, though I don't think Chaplain's proof is substantial enough. When 343 GS observes the information and says its "our lost history, "Human history is it?" you need to remember that 343 GS has in fact determined in his own mind that the Forerunner are humans, he could very well be wrong. In fact it's highly possible. Chaplain also said that AI dont have feelings, that's true, but 343 GS, like Cortana, is a SMART AI. Which is different.

Smart AI are generally based off of people and their brains, exact duplicates to a binary code therefore transferred as data and becoming AI. Anotherwords Smart AI are in fact people, minus the bodies, and added the storage capacity and ability to be controlled by certain people. Cortana was modeled off of Dr. Halsey, and it's highly likely that 343 GS was modeled off of one of the forerunner's most trusted scientists. One needs to remember, after being alone for 20 years alone, people are known to go insane, just imagine being alone for 100,000 years? Quite a bit more, isn't it? Just imagine how much a mind, even an AI would slip after that. And here's proof that Smart AI do slip: "First Strike" speaks of how Cortana is unable to handle the wealth of information and begins to act..."Differently" is the best way MC can put it.

Now, like I said, this is not to say the entire idea of forerunner=human is preposterous, but it still requires further, more concrete proof, I believe.

  • 07.13.2004 11:28 PM PDT
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Indeed. I am not saying humans arent the fore-runners but what I am saying is there is no evidence to back the theory at all besides speculation and taking words out of context.

  • 07.13.2004 11:32 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

since you've got two posts Chaplain i need to say this twice:

(UNSC MP approaches)
You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can, and will be used against you
in the court of Halo. You have the right to a Cortana, if you cannot afford one we will provide one for you. Do you understand these rights ? (if not you will be summarilly fragged)

  • 07.13.2004 11:34 PM PDT
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are you finally gonna reply to my flaming you chaplain or am i, or shall i say "are we",gonna see you pu$$y out again. $10 bux to everyone here that he cowers down in a hole again.


p.s. i'm not really betting ten bux.; )

  • 07.13.2004 11:34 PM PDT

Hey everyone, jump to Chaplain's other thread.

He is finally supposed to answer my question:)

Ha ha ha...

  • 07.13.2004 11:34 PM PDT
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betcha he worms out and quotes someone instead of saying something himself..

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Oh, and I didn't see your other "proof" discussing atmospheric conditions as well as the gravitational force. First off, it's easy to assume that the atmosphere would be relatively the same due to similar structures. Even elites breathe the same air as us, and it would seem the same gravity. Does that make the Elites forerunner? Hell no. Same goes for jackals, hunters, and grunts when it comes to gravity (not climate, I realize they have methane tanks). This is not substantial proof.

Also, I like the notion of how do we reverse engineer technology better then Covenant? Well my answer is relatively simple, though, like anything else, it's all theory. My hypothesis is that the Covenant (yes, all species) aren't as intelligent as humans are. They learn to adapt to technology, like every race does. Survival of the fittest. The prophets proved to be the fittest, adapting to Forerunner technology. Humans adapted to technology, but we are smarter, at least I theorize, in the fact that we try to TOTALLY understand the technology and then improve upon it (as seen during our current technological age). Maybe the covenant have certain limitations, I mean think about it, they have a caste system and are highly theocratic which is how we were...Roughly a millenia or two ago. The closest thing we have to a caste system is poor people, middle class, upper class (based on economic of course), and theocracy? No longer existant in 98% of the countries on Earth.

There's my theory, yet again, doesn't disprove or prove your theory, but it ensures that there is more then meets the eye.

  • 07.13.2004 11:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain
Now I don't know if you caught all of that but its got earth normal gravity, and the atmosphere is perfect human living conditions, complete with perfect air, nice gravity, and weather conditions such as sun, snow, rain, etc... Wouldn't you think, that whoever built the Halo's, would build them to their own liking? Yes, I would think that and so would you. This is exactly as a human planet should be. The G-Forces not too extreme, and the air is perfect and breathable.

The only thing you've managed to prove here is that the Forerunner are most certainly NOT Grunts. Congratulations! You now have the beginning of an excellent theory here - the Forerunner are not Grunts since they are the only ones that can't breathe the atmosphere on Halo. Good job.

1. He is referring to the human race as Reclaimer. Not just Master Chief, and the forerunner activated it before, 343 says this, he says, that we've done this before. He was reffering to the Forerunner, but we are human, he didn't know we call ourselves human. But never-the-less, he says we're Forerunner. (Inadvertantly, in fact, does he ever do anything advertently?) Now to number two.
For all you know, GS might call everyone a 'reclaimer' - it might be his equivalent of calling someone 'dude'.
"S'up dude."
"S'up reclaimer."

This is NOT inconclusive evidence that supports your argument - it's hearsay.
2. Earth Normal Gravity, and Oxygen-Nitrogen based air. Why would this be? Maybe because the builders of the halo wanted to survive on their own creation, so they would obviously build something to their liking. Even further proof that Humans built the ring.
...and somehow Elites, Hunters and Jackals have no problem with either the gravity or the atmosphere of Halo.

Nice 'proof' ;)
3. The gravity system is human based. It is a human model of artificial gravity.
See above.
4. He said he had considerable time to ponder the question, does "Considerable time" sound like 100,000 years?
It sounds like maybe 2 hours, as well. Sometimes, when I'm waiting to get off work, I have to wait a 'considerable time' before my boss gets here...seriously, like 5 minutes...it's terrible.

Even though I think you might be right here, not only is 'considerable' a vague word but it still does nothing to prove that humans=Forerunner.
I think it does.
I love this sentence here - this describes your entire argument. You think you are correct, so you just keep going on...and on...and on...and on...
(Note: This does not mean an MC look alike, he refer's to all humans as Reclaimer.)
WHERE'S THE PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have any proof of this, at all?
Let me answer that - NO! You do not.
5. He said "Last time you asked me..." "...And I still say yes." 343 has talked to human life forms before.
At this time I would like to refer you to Eagle's theory - further proving that there many, many possible scenerios to this story.
On Halo. And you know what? There is way more than just sufficient proof here.quote
Sufficient...nope, not quite.

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Your argument is weak.
- You state that the gravity and atmosphere indefinately proves that humans built Halo when the gravity and atmosphere are just fine for the Covenant, as well - seems ok for the Flood also.
- You use the comments of GS to prove your point when this is clearly hearsay. You somehow think his word is canon...the word of God - it isn't. What GS says is only HIS point of view.

Also, could you tighten up your spelling and grammer a bit. I'm not insulting you, it's just kind of hard to read sometimes.
Please understand this time. It seems like every time I post one of these there is plenty of evidence but you guys try to flame it and forget about what I said, and how much sense it makes.
It doesn't make sense because you're saying the same things over and over again. You're using hearsay and strawman arguments - complete debating fallacies.

  • 07.14.2004 12:07 AM PDT
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Very well put john....

  • 07.14.2004 12:09 AM PDT
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about the ''Halo is perfectly suited to supprt human life'', in case you havnt notced, but its also suited to Elites, Brutes, Prophets, Jackles, and Hunters. Plus Engineers. They all breathe oxygen (except Grunts), the ships have the same gravity as Halo, so MAYBE THE TINY, INSIGNIFCANT HUMAN RACE DID'NT DO IT, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE???????

Jeez, just because were the victims in this Human-Covie War, it dosent mean that we are the KINGS OF THE BLOODLY UNIVERSE.

  • 07.14.2004 12:50 AM PDT
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oh, sorry jhon for repeating what you said, just read the top topic and burst out screaming without reading the rest. i didnt even look at yours.

  • 07.14.2004 12:54 AM PDT
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thats what we tryin to prove shade.

  • 07.14.2004 12:56 AM PDT
Subject: Even more conclusive theory...
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Bump, this has been a long time in the depths of B.net..

Bump
Bump.
:)

Oh and I'm bumping the other one too.

  • 08.05.2004 11:17 PM PDT