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Posted by: Chaplain
Okay guys, you just don't get it. Humans are the forerunner, look at what 343 said, don't argue it, you know that is what he meant. And a theory, still, is based on something that has a sceintific outcome. Oh and AI's, they would NEVER, get bored, it's just a program. We get bored becasue we have feelings, do AI's have feelings? No.


AIs do have feelings(well thats what i think since there have never been any AIs ever made). Cortana is sarcastuc. If she ddnt have feelings she would say in a nochalnt way, Master Chief you seemed to have missed rather than sayiing something like NIce shot cowboy. Although, the enemy is about five miles right of that.GS343 hums, that means hes bored and very casual about MC.

  • 07.09.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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The admin here doesn't really like me so lets get a rough tally... maybe he'll listen more to the public. Who thinks this needs to be a sticky. just say "yes I do." or "I," anything, I don't want to end up doing this again tommorrow.

[Edited on 7/9/2004 3:49:19 PM]

  • 07.09.2004 3:48 PM PDT
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Cortana was programmed to have her "Feelings." but I severely doubt, they program being bored, into ANY AI.

  • 07.09.2004 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: PREDAT0R
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You would imagine that GS343 would say, "finally, the humans are back!" or something like that. I mean, AI's will get bored b/c they are AIs after all. So its kinda like your mom or something or your wife coming back after a bunch of years

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343 would say human history is it? because we names ourselves humans. We also named forrunner, the forrunner, its an english given name from a human planet for some unknown species we have little information on. get it? [/color]


If the forerunners are advanced humans, they would still rpobably say human. I mean, you dont go the next day and say "hey im garfunkel, not a human". They would still say some form of human if not human completely because 343 still speaks in the dialect of enlgish we americans use. He doesnt use different forms of english.

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sure, why not make it a sticky.

where does it say that the rings were fired off 100,000 years ago?

even if they were, the rings wipe out ALL sentient life. no forerunner would have survived the blast, if they were fired.

[Edited on 7/9/2004 3:53:00 PM]

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I feel Chaplain is right, we are descendants of the forerunners. The covanent found the foreruners technology, fealt it was "thier" gods. I'm thinking the prophets figured out we are the descendents, and after already considering humans inferior to them, the prophets would lose control over the covenent race. So they make up a story that the "will of their gods" calls for the destrution of the human race, which starts the war. If the prophets wipe the humans out, they have no fear of the rest of the covenent finding out the truth, which keeps their social structure intact. I've also read about a theory in which the pyramids are forerunner technology, I really like that one, which explains why the covenent havn't glassed earth yet (at least in Halo 2) and maybe are trying to get the secrets of the pyramids.

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Posted by: Chaplain
Oh and here you go, here's even further proof that 343 wasn't talking about history of all life in general. 343 said "A record of our lost time." "Human history is it?" He was directly correlating it with Human history, meaning he was in fact saying inadvertantly, we are the forerunner.

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The only way to disprove he is NOT talking about humans related to forrunner in this sense is to come up with a perfectly good reason 343 would say this if he meant something else. That doesn't mean take a wild guess. It means think about it.

I'm with chap on this one.[/color]

  • 07.09.2004 3:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain
Cortana was programmed to have her "Feelings." but I severely doubt, they program being bored, into ANY AI.


Theyre programmed STRAIGHT from the minds of formerly living people. People get bored, so AIs get bored. And i dont think this should be a sticky because i dont think that just saying the word "human" and "us" is enough evidence to support your "we are forrunner theory". The forerunners couldve ALRDY known about our development or when we could only travel to the moon or something. They couldve been watching us. Then the forerunner died and GS and the other garudians of the HALOs were the only ones left. So GS could be saying, we havent seen you since the great forerunner died. All the time i missed. Must update data"

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Do we call ourselves Cavemen still? Do we call EVERY species of Whale Whale? Or do we have Orca whales... They call them forerunner's because we were like gods to them. And do we not call our gods "God?" Yes we do, but I'm sure he has a real name, doesn't he? Yes, he does. it is Jehovah. (English Translation of the hebrew text. I'm not sure how the Hebrew text is spelled.)

Oh and Snipe assault, did you read my first post on this thread? it isn't just saying Humans and Us... Gah, lol you're retarded.

[Edited on 7/9/2004 3:58:13 PM]

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Ha is just a game but here its a communty its books to and toys but halo theires pop up to mush a thery is MANY hypoesises [ploral of hypothase cant speel that] chaplains cool but he is too scentific but is just a game and books dont go overboard please but i have never seen someone go overboard but please dont study halo LOVE halo dont be a haloalgist

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Heh, thanks Spec Ops.

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Posted by: mindofarock
sure, why not make it a sticky.

where does it say that the rings were fired off 100,000 years ago?

even if they were, the rings wipe out ALL sentient life. no forerunner would have survived the blast, if they were fired.


[color=lime] dude, you need to stop talking and started reading, or playing, or paying attention or something! Halo is not only a weapon, it is also a fortress world. Yes, Halo wipes all sentient life, BUT not any sentient life ON Halo. They could have fired it, and then began their journy as the blast continues on in front of them at light-year speed. I'm not saying THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, but I am showing how it is possible for such a circumstance to happen.[/color]

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halo is a perfession love it dont studiet enjoy it lern about its suppose to be fun not a perffesoin i thik bungie wants us to have fun with and learn a bout HALO not studie and have fights over it

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iehovah i think. Its in the last indiana jones. Well, we dont call oursleves caevemen because that wasnt our name. When we were cavemen we didnt say "ugh ugh i caveman". Thats wat we called early humans before they were organized. Now we are organized and we classify things and leave em like that. And we get more organized as we go. I understand that we dont call all whales whale whale, but they are different species. Humans are homosapiens not neaderathals or cromagnons. And u can easily tell the difference between british and american dialects of enlgish.

And im not retardeed. Im a 7th grader in an 8th grade honors math class at one of the best schools in the country, Horace Mann in Riverdale New York. So watch what u say.

  • 07.09.2004 4:07 PM PDT
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[color=gold] 343 also speaks english so there is another huge clue that he was originally created by humans. If you think he could have just looked up the entier language from some computer then he would have had to do that when he reached pillar of autumn on the last level.

If you think he got the entire human language from MC's suit, remember he only scanned for how powerful/level MC's suit is, he didn't sya he scanned for anything else. Plus there is no reason for MC to have human language in his suit besides the translater

Even if 343 somehow learned the human language from MC's suit, he would have had to pick it up before they met in the stage 343 guilty spark. Remember he introduces himself to MC in oerfect language.

If you still think 343 SOMEHOW learned the language from MC, then WHY does 343 have a different accent then MC? Infact, 343's accent has nothign to do with any other character in the game. A slight english accent. You can't deny it. Listen, just listen. [/color]

  • 07.09.2004 4:13 PM PDT
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I'm a junior in high school, I've got a car, a job, and I write with proper punctuation, I learned to type when i was in 5th grade and I didn't learn the proper way, i am an excellent writer never-the-less, and you should watch what you say. This is a forum Debate, not an insult page.

  • 07.09.2004 4:13 PM PDT
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You know what? I dont know. Maybe chaplain is right or maybe eagle 117 but i dont care anymore. I just want the game to be good. Thanks for the conversation guys

  • 07.09.2004 4:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: PREDAT0R
[color=gold] 343 also speaks english so there is another huge clue that he was originally created by humans. If you think he could have just looked up the entier language from some computer then he would have had to do that when he reached pillar of autumn on the last level.

If you think he got the entire human language from MC's suit, remember he only scanned for how powerful/level MC's suit is, he didn't sya he scanned for anything else. Plus there is no reason for MC to have human language in his suit besides the translater

Even if 343 somehow learned the human language from MC's suit, he would have had to pick it up before they met in the stage 343 guilty spark. Remember he introduces himself to MC in oerfect language.

If you still think 343 SOMEHOW learned the language from MC, then WHY does 343 have a different accent then MC? Infact, 343's accent has nothign to do with any other character in the game. A slight english accent. You can't deny it. Listen, just listen. [/color]


if you learned chinese would you speak with a chinese accent? didn't think so.

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Posted by: Chaplain
This is a forum Debate, not an insult page.


Agreed, so everyone keep it on topic please, and if you have something to say, make sure it's said in response to the threads purpose, and not other reasons

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Posted by: Bubbaduck

if you learned chinese would you speak with a chinese accent? didn't think so.


[color=lime]So your saying 343, a programmed A.I. learned english then applied an accent he normally speaks in to this new language? So his alien language has a british accent??? Your not making sense. First of all WE learn, THEY get programmed. When WE learn we apply it to what we already know, when something is programmed, it is new. [/color]

[Edited on 7/9/2004 4:24:34 PM]

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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: mindofarock
sure, why not make it a sticky.

where does it say that the rings were fired off 100,000 years ago?

even if they were, the rings wipe out ALL sentient life. no forerunner would have survived the blast, if they were fired.


[color=lime] dude, you need to stop talking and started reading, or playing, or paying attention or something! Halo is not only a weapon, it is also a fortress world. Yes, Halo wipes all sentient life, BUT not any sentient life ON Halo. They could have fired it, and then began their journy as the blast continues on in front of them at light-year speed. I'm not saying THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, but I am showing how it is possible for such a circumstance to happen.[/color]


where does it say that life on halo isn't destroyed? i have read the books, and i know it's called a fortress world to keep the flood IN. let's try to make sense out of this. halo's were created to rid the world of sentient life in the event that the flood got out. why would you design a weapon that would destroy all life outside the ring, but not on the ring itself? that just doesn't make sense.

  • 07.09.2004 4:22 PM PDT
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Hey admin, really can we get this a sticky?

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sorry, about being unclear,i was refering to the english accent part of what you said.i was pointing out that people who learn new languages dont automatically loose their accent from the other country

[Edited on 7/9/2004 4:23:41 PM]

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Posted by: Chaplain
I'm a junior in high school, I've got a car, a job, and I write with proper punctuation, I learned to type when i was in 5th grade and I didn't learn the proper way, i am an excellent writer never-the-less, and you should watch what you say. This is a forum Debate, not an insult page.


Im not insulting u. Im saying YOU shouldnt insult ME or anyone else. Thats kinda hypocritical. Im not insulting u or didnt intend to at least. I write with proper grammar too, but only when i need to do so. So sry about any things u "may" have noticed.

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Posted by: mindofarock

where does it say that life on halo isn't destroyed? i have read the books, and i know it's called a fortress world to keep the flood IN. let's try to make sense out of this. halo's were created to rid the world of sentient life in the event that the flood got out. why would you design a weapon that would destroy all life outside the ring, but not on the ring itself? that just doesn't make sense.


[color=lime] If what you are saying is true, then NOTHING could escape the blast. Everything would be dead. Maybe everything DID die??? If that is so then explaining how forrunner technology found itself on to earth would be quite hard wouldnt you say??? (you know, the time/gravity alterign device they found on reach)[/color]

  • 07.09.2004 4:27 PM PDT