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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: mindofarock

where does it say that life on halo isn't destroyed? i have read the books, and i know it's called a fortress world to keep the flood IN. let's try to make sense out of this. halo's were created to rid the world of sentient life in the event that the flood got out. why would you design a weapon that would destroy all life outside the ring, but not on the ring itself? that just doesn't make sense.


[color=lime] If what you are saying is true, then NOTHING could escape the blast. Everything would be dead. Maybe everything DID die??? If that is so then explaining how forrunner technology found itself on to earth would be quite hard wouldnt you say??? (you know, the time/gravity alterign device they found on reach)[/color]

not hard at all. the forerunner occupied earth (as a COLONY), Reach, Sigma Octacans, etc. their facilities were thus on earth. the blast would kill them, not the remains of their civilization.

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Posted by: mindofarock

not hard at all. the forerunner occupied earth (as a COLONY), Reach, Sigma Octacans, etc. their facilities were thus on earth. the blast would kill them, not the remains of their civilization.


[color=lime]Yes, but the remains of their civilization are on the prophets home world, not ours. There are some things, it does appear the colonized for a while, but all technology was on prophets world.[/color]

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[color=lime] It also appears, that all forrunner stuff on earth was hidden. why would it be hidden miles underground? There are no weapons found from forrunner as well. Lots of gaps ehh?[/color]

  • 07.09.2004 4:35 PM PDT
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yeah....but that doesn't help ur point.

2 ideas about why it's underground.
1. the forerunner like underground dwellings as opposed to surface dwellings
2. it's been thousands of years. for all we know, it could have been naturally buried.

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[color=lime] Thats the beauty of debating with me. I want the truth even if it may contradict what I may already believe. There are ways to link most of this all together, so some things that would appear to contradict may go together depending on what info is revelead as we draw closer to nov. 9th. I don't think they built it underground for no reason. It appears that NO ONE knows about the underground facilities except top secret government agents. That means it must be hard to find. Mayeb so other alien races wont fins whats hiden inside???[/color]

[Edited on 7/9/2004 4:44:41 PM]

  • 07.09.2004 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: mindofarock
it just doesn't make sense that the humans are forerunner.

1. how would we just suddenly lose all that technology that the forerunner had
2. why would the covenant be killing us, as upposed to worshiping us.


oh, and the above post was truely inspiring. thanx for bringing this to light.


Answers to those retarded questions:

1: Because we were wiped out the last time Halo was activated. We had to start the evolutionary process all over again, same with the covenant.

2: Because, the prophets don't want the rest of the covenant thinking that they've been worshiping people less advanced then they are. So, they hid the truth and told the military to elimate us. Simple.

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we'll all find out on nov. 9.



or perhaps a few days after, who knows?

  • 07.09.2004 4:46 PM PDT
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1: Because we were wiped out the last time Halo was activated. We had to start the evolutionary process all over again, same with the covenant.

2: Because, the prophets don't want the rest of the covenant thinking that they've been worshiping people less advanced then they are. So, they hid the truth and told the military to elimate us. Simple.


ok. if we had to start the evolutionary process all over again, then we're not forerunner. so that shoots down both of ur answers.

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AIs have feelings. Try killing the captain on T&R, cortana gets all sad and says" We lost the captain, the covenant have won. Earth is lost."

  • 07.09.2004 4:52 PM PDT
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ok, any one have anymore proof as to how humans are/aren't forerunner?

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in response to predator from before:

no, i am no t saying its a british accent, who says its british? just because it sounds british doesnt mean its britsih. Plus the forerunners could have spoke an alien language that had what sounded like a british accent.

"we learn, they get programmed"

have you ever heard of the cog project, MITs attemt at creating AI. they have programmed it TO LEARN, so something could have programmed it to learn as well.



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No, it doesn't shoot down my answers. We still have forerunner-type DNA, we're identical species, have had some of the same ideas (the spartan's armor), and are innovative, not imitative. Give us a few more years, we'll have those plasma weapons, plus, cortana was able to improve on the weapons on the covie ship, why? Because they were made by the same species human/forerunner.

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[color=lime]Even if A.I. can learn they don't learn like we do, they wouldnt have trouble pronouncing english fluently if say they knew japanese for 20 years, or even 100,000 years. We would. Yea go ahead and learn a language in a day and then speak it perfectly...cmon, go ahead.

SEE???

a difference between A.I. and human.

Humans made A.I. but that doesnt mean A.I. thinks like us. We have limits in our brain made up of cells, A.I. does too, but they can change that at will.[/color]

  • 07.09.2004 5:18 PM PDT

makes sense... i like it

  • 07.09.2004 5:31 PM PDT
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any one on

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i wonder how many questions halo 2 is actually going to answer, i'm thinking not many. hopefully the next books will explain a lot more

  • 07.09.2004 7:30 PM PDT
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Hi all,


I am often thinking these days that 343 guilty spark may have been created by humans, rather than the forerunner. He does say 'our lost history' indicating that anyone with him at the time (the Master chief and cortana) are of his kin as such.

or perhaps, the forerunner, or someone else set the Halo rings to fire, wiped life away and they sought to repopulate the galaxy with new sentient life. They could have quite easily started anew.

If the flood were being studied, can it not be too far fetched to suggest that maybe the Forerunner sought to catagorize and map their DNA with a bunch of other species that had been around at the time. Or maybe the Forerunner were advanced enough to create life, and in doing so made us and the convenant.

Its just a couple of thoughts really.

Also Chaplain - I think that your ideas are ok, but does it really matter if you are wrong?? Maybe we are all wrong, who cares man, these forums are for us to talk, theorise, have fun, meet people and enjoy the halo story for how brilliant it is. Whether you are right or wrong gives you no right to flame people for have opposing theories.

I would also urge everyone, if they haven't already, go and read eagle117's post - his theories are well-laid out, but whether they are true or not remains to be seen - just like everyone else's.

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lol man, that's exactly what I've been tryingt o say to these people, it's just a game, and here, look you guys, in the book "The Flood." 343 GS says hat he was made by the forerunners. Now, if he says "All of 'our' lost time..." that means forerunners included. Then he went on to say that it was human history. That means Humans built 343 GS, making HIM the forerunner.

Its really not that complicated to understand you guys.

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Posted by: mindofarock
ok. if we had to start the evolutionary process all over again, then we're not forerunner. so that shoots down both of ur answers.


There are always possibilities for survival.
--There are the strange crystals that appear throughout the books.
--Someone could have been working on an experiment which accendentally shielded them
--There are shots of the unfinished Halos in some of the artwork. Perhaps that's how the Covenant survived.

It's quite possible that out of the billions of Forerunner some may have survived. These Forerunner could have been on Earth.

(Oh technical note: Humans didn't name the Forerunner, the Covenant did. Second point, 343 would have no idea who the Forerunner are, like... do you guys know what the Chinese call Americans in their own language? It's the same with Guilty Spark, how would he know what some alien race called his race?)

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343 knows who the humans are becasue he was built by them, I just said that. (And proved too!)

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You do know that Halo's history isn't just known through the first game, but through the books, and Bungie's own history for how they'll explain it all

Halo isn't just a game that's thrown together; Bungie has a thing called the Halo Bible, which explains the history, plots, civilization architecture, background, etc., of the entire Halo universe; the Covenant, humans, and anything else that matters in the Halo "world"

When people make theories like Eagle's, that is how deep the game is meant to be. You seem to think that there is no history or background to any of the stuff that Bungie puts out, and if you think that, then you should familiarize yourself more with Bungie; nothing happens without a reason, and nothing is going to be as simple as just throwing stuff into the game without true merit for it's purpose. This isn't to say that your theory about the humans being Forerunners isn't true, but it's to argue against your cry that Halo is just a simple game, with no meat on the bone

Think of it as the whole Star Wars thing; there have been movies, games, books; all made because there is a base history for everything in them. Eric Nylund worked closely with Bungie in making his books, and they are not fan fiction; they basically gave him a blog of tru7h from the Halo Bible, and he just made a story out of it
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If only the M6D psitol fanboys would listen to that ;-). But back on subject it is my opinion that the forerunner are not the human race but a creator race that saw no purpose in their own existence but created life through their technological means.

[Edited on 7/9/2004 10:33:01 PM]

  • 07.09.2004 10:32 PM PDT
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Uh, you already posted that, and no matter how much you want it to be, Master Cheif and this whole thing is not real...

  • 07.09.2004 10:37 PM PDT
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Your the one with the abstract theory's yet you post as if I were delusional. And Eagle's Conclusive theory was alot more sound than yours evident of his being made a sticky. Also I can believe whatever I want to believe and you can too but when Halo 2 comes out dont expect me not to bump this thread and publically laugh at you if I am right and you can do it too.

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When halo 2 comes out, I will have this thread be a sticky, you won't have to bump it, and I never say any of this is real, in fact, that's my whole defense. I stick to what can happen in Halo 2, not what can happen in a life with boundaries and laws of physics. My "Theory" wasn't even a theory. It was just something I noticed.

  • 07.09.2004 10:46 PM PDT

[color=red]Chaplain[/color]

I have a question for you... one that I hope it isn’t received by the C0CKINESS of your nature:)

If in fact the Forerunners were Humans, then why would they have destroyed themselves by activating Halo?

As you can see from this statement made by Cortana:[color=white] “Halo doesn't kill flood, it kills their food. Humans, Covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life"[/color], the last time Halo was activated, it would have destroyed the Forerunners if they were Human.
[color=red]This is fact![/color]

Why would the Forerunners go through great lengths in building Halos all over the galaxy, whose very purpose is to contain their greatest threat( the Flood ), if when the Halos were activated they would destroy the Forerunners themselves?

Try to restrain yourself from making up a theory as to how the Forerunners/Humans would have magically survived Halo's past activation. I want quotes from the books as support for your answer:)



[color=yellow]Oh yea, your profile says you live in Russia?
If this is true, so does my Uncle:)[/color]

[Edited on 7/10/2004 12:20:15 AM]

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