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[color=gold]Just for the record, I don't believe that the humans and the Forerunners are related, despite the evidence. This is only my opinion, however. It is subject to change.[/color]

  • 07.09.2004 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
I want quotes from the books as support for your answer:)


That's what I want too, or need to hear in order to be convinced; and a single quote from the game isn't enough to convince me of the answer to the riddle of all these theories

That's why Eagle's is more believable; his sources range from books, the game, and any other hints that are given out from Bungie

  • 07.09.2004 11:44 PM PDT
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The game cannot go into as much detail as the books that is why it is a game and the books are books...

There will simply not be enough time to go into eagles theory in halo 2 (although yes in the whole it 'could' happen)...

Remeber it isn't just twenty summuts olds who are obssessed with bungie, read the books worn the t-shirt kinds of people that will play halo, the mojority will just be plain old joe black... to explain about ONI and Akerson and the rest of it all would be too indepth and too distracting... remember halo 2 is a FPS not an adventure/puzzle game...

I believe that humans are forerunners... people will now say 'show me the proof!'

There isn't any proof yet cos halo 2 isn't finished... of course they aren't going to make it obvious that the forerunner were humans... it would ruin the story a bit if they did, dont you think?

They have plainted simple hints, MC knows how to use forunner tech, cortana finds it easier to interface with it (like its genetically made for them), 343GS speaks english, calls MC the reclaimer (reclaimer = getting something back thats was previously yours), finish what you have started etc etc.. im not going to carry on cos there is too much...

My 2 questions to anyone who doubts the forerunner are human?

Why does the halo look like earth?
Why does 343 GS say a record of 'our' time when referring to human history?

answers on a postcard :)

  • 07.10.2004 3:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Chaplain
...it's all there, no holes like Eagle's Fancy work...

[color=white]While your theory is directly lifted from the game, and while what you say (the theory, not the derogatory comments about Eagle's posts) has merit (without argument), it is kind of thin and has no detailed research to back it up the way Eagle117's does.

That said, if I see the two of you in a XBL match of Halo 2, I think I'll just sit back and watch the animosity explode.[/color]


[Edited on 7/10/2004 4:46:48 AM]

  • 07.10.2004 3:14 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

It's really late here... so forgive if I post something that already has been posted. For the record, I believe in the Forerunner = Human Theory. And I have not seen Eagle's work, can someone give me a link?

Here's why I beleive in the theory:

343 GS in the Library, He speaks to us as if he know's us or someone similar. He asks us why we have only class 2 armor, why we are using inferior weaponry. He speaks of the Covenant as the 'Other Species' on the ring. Almost accepting that we and him are the same. He uses only humans to be Reclaimers, he answers a question posed to him by a previous reclaimer before the rings were first fired, and answers it to us like we are one in the same person even though the time span in over 100,000 years. In the Maw we have the infamous quote about, having a detailed record of all of 'Our' lost time. Using Our as if again he like or with us in come connection. Halo itself, it is to human. Meaning look at the enviroment. Does it not hold the best terrians and ecosystems Earth has to offer? Halo could very well be a paradise, at least on the surface. The rooms and doors are fit for us, save for the few really large ones. All Covenant weaponry is Forerunner. In FS, Cortana has but moments with Covenant Plasma turrets, she reconfigures it to be even more deadly. The Covenant have had decades, maybe centuries to test and use it. How can we, humans just moments with the technology grasp the concept of it and use it properly? Albiet Cortana is an AI but she is a human AI. Now I know a major flaw of the theory is if we are Forerunner, why do we not remember? How could we forget? Well, I have an explanation. Halo was used once this we know, we don't know exactly how it works just what it's supposed to do. Now, we can argue the fact that the reason we forgot was due to the use of the Rings. The Rings are supposed to kill any life with sufficiant biomass to sustain the Flood. Well, maybe it didn't fully kill everything, Bungie seems to be hinting that thier are Forerunner installations or artifacts on Earth. Perhpas they had a colony here, and where the few humans were they weren't killed, but lost all memory and so we enter into a dark age, and have to litterally start from scratch once more. Another explanation works off the ring causing the memory loss, maybe the Forerunner knew this would happen and Earth was like a last effort to continue to exsist. Sorta like a lot of old Sci-Fi novels and movies, were the Human Race is about to be exterminated there's like a small group that are sent far away from the homeworld to litterally just survive. So no matter what happens to the homeworld, the race will still continue somewhere else. Just some possible explanations.

Achilles

  • 07.10.2004 4:05 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Ok, I'm like blind, I just saw Eagle's Sticky Post... Eagle... Out--blam!-ing-standing dude...

Achilles

  • 07.10.2004 4:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
Ok, I'm like blind, I just saw Eagle's Sticky Post... Eagle... Out--blam!-ing-standing dude...

Achilles

[color=white]It is something, isn't it?[/color]

  • 07.10.2004 4:45 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

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Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
Ok, I'm like blind, I just saw Eagle's Sticky Post... Eagle... Out--blam!-ing-standing dude...

Achilles

[color=white]It is something, isn't it?[/color]


Indeed! Some of what he said I had pondered on but not given any thought to really. Most of what he said blew me away and humbled my thinking. He makes me want to try extra hard to either help solidify his thoery or just tear it down with a new one... depending upon what info is found.

Achilles

  • 07.10.2004 4:48 AM PDT
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ther if evadence from the book i heard it i dont thik he read the books but there is i might give some later

  • 07.10.2004 7:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: Chaplain
Listen up guys, i'm tired of explaining this, and somewhat tired of people Pming me to tell it again. Humans, that's right, US, WE, are the forerunner. (In the game that is.) Would you like proof? Here:

In Halo, the last level, Caleld, "The Maw," You get to the bridge, and what do you know, 343 Guilty Spark, is pulling information from HUMAN, databases. He is looking at the "Pillar of Autumn's" computers. And he says this. "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." NOW, LISTEN. LOOK. LEARN, CONPREHEND, BE GOOD. UNDERSTAND, Because this is the LAST time I will explain it. 343 Guilty Spark Said that he just got a record of all of his lost time... "Human History is it?" HUMAN, History. There you go. WE, are the forerunner. Thank you and make this a sticky please. I won't even take credit for it. Here, EAGLE TOLD ME ABOUT IT. There ya go. Make it a sticky. I'm tired of explaining this.


YOu cant MAKE the mods sticky it. And you dont have any other EVIDENCE. For all you know the forerunners couldve been watching the humans without necessarily BEING the humans. So find MORE evidence or dont act like a genius. Bungie said that the STORY was CONFUSING. VERY. CONFUSING. They made a damn Bible they could REFERENCE too when they make an addition to the story. Hopefully they will sell the bible after but u dont have enough evidence. Find as many references as Eagle and ill believe you

  • 07.10.2004 8:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bubbaduck
a theory does not have to have scientific basis to be a theory. check dictionary.com

but it has to based on some fact....

  • 07.10.2004 8:27 AM PDT

It's good to see my buddy Chaplain's thread is still up and running.

Oh yea, has anyone been able to answer the question I possed to Chaplain on page 3 of this thread:)

  • 07.10.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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Ok one..this sounds like starcrafts plotlines so much its freaky. and 2 to answer your question eagle they havent activated halo..they left the AI guy to activate it if it was ABSOLUTLY neccisary but the AI went nuts and tried to activate it without need(yea halo was overrun but the flood are stupid). Also since they figured they already existed(from the future) they thought halo was not activated in the past (they are still alive) and therefore so was the human race...

[Edited on 7/10/2004 10:56:58 AM]

  • 07.10.2004 10:56 AM PDT

Posted by: DeathscytheV2
Ok one..this sounds like starcrafts plotlines so much its freaky. and 2 to answer your question eagle they havent activated halo..they left the AI guy to activate it if it was ABSOLUTLY neccisary but the AI went nuts and tried to activate it without need(yea halo was overrun but the flood are stupid). Also since they figured they already existed(from the future) they thought halo was not activated in the past (they are still alive) and therefore so was the human race...


This doesn't answer my question. It only adds more speculation to it:)

343 GS can't activate Halo, as shown by this quote made by 343 GS in the game: [color=white]"Unfortunately, my usefulness to this particular endeavor has come to an end. Protocol does not allow units with my classification to... perform a task as important as the reunification of the index with the core. That final step is reserved for you, Reclaimer.[/color]

Without the "Reclaimer", Halo can not be activated:)


[Edited on 7/10/2004 11:33:31 AM]

  • 07.10.2004 11:04 AM PDT

Posted by: NiteMonkey
My 2 questions to anyone who doubts the forerunner are human?

Why does the halo look like earth?
Why does 343 GS say a record of 'our' time when referring to human history?


I think Shai Hulud has some answers for you at the bottom of page 14 of "The Most Conclusive Theory EVER Written" thread:)

  • 07.10.2004 11:10 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Your theory....

I'll just say that 343 Guilty Spark might not really be referring to humans... but merely to the relationship he thinks he has with the Master Chief, and the past that he obviously sees between them.

Please note that I use the word, "might," since my theory, and yours, are yet to be proven.

And don't bother looking for proof. You can't find it. You can find more evidence, if you will, but proof doesn't exist for any of these theories.... only evidence to help back them.

[Edited on 7/10/2004 11:19:36 AM]

  • 07.10.2004 11:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vasheeth
No, it doesn't shoot down my answers. We still have forerunner-type DNA, we're identical species, have had some of the same ideas (the spartan's armor), and are innovative, not imitative. Give us a few more years, we'll have those plasma weapons, plus, cortana was able to improve on the weapons on the covie ship, why? Because they were made by the same species human/forerunner.

you don't need to be the same species to get the same technology.

  • 07.10.2004 11:21 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Where does all this Forerunner-type DNA and "same ideas" stuff come into play? Show me. I don't remember it being in the books or the game.

  • 07.10.2004 11:39 AM PDT
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The only problem with the theory of 'Forerunners = human' is this: 100,500 years ago (the last time Halo was activated from the time of 2552), mankind was just getting out of the caves and beginning to build huts in Egypt. My memory of history is fuzzy but I believe it was the Paleolithic era and humans had been around for roughly 150,000 years before that. The activation of Halo should've destroyed the humans on Earth - there shouldn't be any fossils beyond this time.

Unless, of course, the boys at Bungie wrote themselves into a corner;)

[Edited on 7/10/2004 1:31:31 PM]

  • 07.10.2004 1:30 PM PDT
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Remember what Eagle said about the length of a year? It could be a few days (VERY unlikely), or could be 100 years of one Earth year for all we know.

  • 07.10.2004 1:32 PM PDT
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True. Though if this were the case, there would have to be some kind of unexplainable break in fossil history - some kind of gap similar to the K-T Event that killed the dinosaurs. We would see some kind of evidence of Halos activation unless Halo was extremely far from its sun. Is there any evidence as to how far Basis was located from Threshold? It would have to be many AUs greater than the distance of Earth relative to our sun for this theory to hold.

  • 07.10.2004 1:45 PM PDT

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Think also, basing on that relative year that Eagle pointed out, a conclusion that I had, in which I was going to base my own theorum on.

I won't go into detail until it is done, but think Missing Link, and Labratory.

I plan to build upon the Ark Theory of Halo.

Thank you Eagle for the inspiration.

And Chaplain, you're still a fool.

  • 07.10.2004 1:48 PM PDT
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Maybe halo killed the Dinosaurs.... you know the more I think about it, the more this forerunners=humans theory is falling apart... if you consider things like the dinosaurs being on Earth. I've decided if I believe any theory it's a mix of all the ones I've read.


Who knows.... maybe the dinosaurs were the forerunners!!! Muahahahahah!!!! I've solved it!!!


Not.

  • 07.10.2004 1:50 PM PDT
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I admit i stopped reading this thread abotu half way so I do not know what people found proof of after that but I just want to say 2 things:

1. Claiming that you are the only one that has the right theory with the only evidence you present is a few lines from the book when ALL(or most) of the other evidence points the other way is stupid.

2. I'm not sure about this but people in Halo universe don't speak English, they speak "Basic." I think its somewhere in the book. GS is an advanced AI and would have no problem learning a language fairly quickly :/ English is not the language of the Forrunner.

  • 07.10.2004 1:53 PM PDT
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Even if it was, English was created far after other languages, so it wouldn't make sense either way. It is not like everyone speaks English and it is the "one and only language." English is based off of a variety of different languages.

  • 07.10.2004 1:56 PM PDT