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[color=gold]I didn't say your theory can be interpreted in different ways. What you are basing it on, the quote from 343 Guilty Spark, can be. Maybe the Forerunners consider everything to be theirs, thus making it their lost time. The planets that humans live on were probably once part of the Forerunner's empire (they have Forerunner artifacts on them, which means Forerunners had to be there sometime or another). Also, he could Maybe he says "our lost time" because the Forerunner could have existed up until now had they not discovered, engineered, or given life (whatever you want, we don't know) to the Flood. It could have been their time, but it's not because they now cease to exist. Hell, he could be saying "our" because he thinks there is more than one of him and that the Universe belongs to him. That's what I meant.[/color]
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...And it is way less far fetched than a human so far up, wth so much power, with everything he wants, and aliens destroying his planet, to turn against it all (Power, friends, family, home.) and be part of your interpreted forerunners evil plans.
[color=gold]I have no clue what your talking about there. And I never said that I consider the Forerunner or their plans to be evil.
Your idea is not fact. You are posting it to let people know it as a possibility. A fact is something that is commonly accepted by all to be true. Your theory is an opinion.
Seconds, minutes, hours, days, and years are measurements of time. Not time itself.[/color]

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  • 07.12.2004 3:18 PM PDT
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all you theory guys spend way too much time on this stuff, who cares, just wait until nov 9th and see what the PROFESSIONAL story tellers have come up with

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[color=gold]*laugh*...Yea...*sigh*[/color]

  • 07.12.2004 3:21 PM PDT

Chaplain, since you seemed to keep ignoring this question in the other thread you had running ( you know the one that starts off exactly as this one does), I would like to repost it.


If in fact the Forerunners were Humans, then why would they work towards their own demise?

As you can see from this statement made by Cortana:[color=white] “Halo doesn't kill flood, it kills their food.[/color] [color=red]Humans[/color][color=white], Covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do; wipe the galaxy clean of all,[/color] [color=red]NOT MOST... ALL[/color][color=white], sentient life"[/color], the last time Halo was activated, it would have destroyed the Forerunners if they were Human.

Why would the Forerunners go through great lengths in building Halos all over the galaxy, whose very purpose is to contain the Forerunners greatest threat( the Flood ), if when the Halos were activated they would destroy the Forerunners themselves?

How is it that the Forerunners/Humans survived Halo's past activation. Try to restrain yourself from [color=red]twisting the words of the books to fit your theory[/color]... hint, hint. Some of the quotes you claim come from the books aren't quotes; rather, they are [color=red]YOUR[/color] version of what was said. I want [color=red]DIRECT[/color] quotes from the books as support for your answer:)


P.S.
I'm not possing this question to you because I disagree with your thoery. I've even writen theories on the possible connections between the Forerunners and Humans. I'm just showing you that you can not write off everyone else's ideas and criticisms, unless you have SUBSTANTIAL amounts of evidence to back yourself up... even then, you shouldn't write people off the way you do. Look back at my thread... I can admitt when I may be wrong.

I would have to say that there are many more people in these threads, than you are willing to give credit for, that have written extreamly deep theories explaining how the Forerunners may be Human. The difference between those authors and you is, they don't write people off as if it's a side effect of some incurable disease:)


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  • 07.12.2004 3:26 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Too much time on this, hmmm? Things like this (storylines) are Bungie's job. Are you saying they spend too much time on it as well?

And if you reply to that saying, "No, that's different. Its Bungie's job. They're paid to do it," then I say to you, ever done something for free that was fun, and that there are proffessionals who get paid to do that very same thing? The best example is sports. Those of you who play sports for free are no different. People have different concepts of fun. I think some sports are fun, so I'd be willing to play them for free. I think thinking up of possible outcomes to a good storyline is fun, so I'm willing to do it for free. Its fun, not a waste of time, and most people spend less than 10 minutes (myself included) in thinking things like this up.

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Don't get me wrong Eagle117, I didn't reply to your qestion because I never saw it I just posted that on the other thread, uh, here's your answer, Humans, at this point in time, don't know we're the forerunner. So..... Why would we work to our own demise? Because we don't know any better.

And you said that my quotes are twisted, I tell you before any of my so called "Twisted" quotes, that they are "to the effect of this..." "Something that goes like this." "Or something along those lines." Never, just a false quote.

And thirdly "Why would they go through great lengths..." Blah blah, because they want to keep "Specimens" around, do we not have any more copies of Small Pox? Anthrax? Things like that? Yes we do, we keep these things for study purposes. And we need them for situations like... Well probably the one that (In the story) happened 100,000 years ago. The Halo can probably be fired off, with people inside of it, and keeping them safe. So if we/the foreunners were inside while it was set off, no wonder we'd still be alive.

Anyways, I'll be gone for a while, Our store wants me there.

  • 07.12.2004 4:15 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

There was at least one of your questions that was sufficiently "twisted" (if you don't like that word, then I'll just say the quote was wrong). I can't remember where it was, but if you look back through my replies (just look for my avatar, because it stands out well and few use it) in this thread and your duplicate one of a different name, then you'll find it.

  • 07.12.2004 4:23 PM PDT

Chaplain,

I think you misunderstood the question.

When all the Halos are activated they destroy ALL seintient life, which includes the entire Human race. So, why would the Forerunners, who you say were Human, construct their own demise? We know that the Halos were activated before, and if the Humans were the Forerunners, then the Forerunners would have commited racial suicide by building and activating all the Halos. It doesn't make any sense???



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Chaplain, you disgust me. "a mod told us to start a debate" bull-blam!-. lets see a mod post something for the public to see or start a sticky that reads "eagle vs chaplain" before anything you say can be believed. You are grasping at STRAWS fool. your "idea" which you keep going between "fictional fact" and "theory" is nothing but a gaping hole. this whole eagle vs chaplain thing is a pitiful attempt to make yourself look like you measure up to eagle when you dont in any way shape or form. hell you dont even use quotes from the books, you just talk about it. fictional fact? PROVE IT. anyone with half a brain can see you dont have anything and your whole "everyone else is wrong" schtic is bacoming a really tiring, megalomaniacle joke. You are REINTERPRETING things that 343 said. that means any flaw in your "fictional fact" is the result of your lack of the ability to properly process information. be an adult and admit that nothing youve said so far is solid. oh wait...you cant, because from the way you write, the things you write, and the tone given to your writing everyone can tell youre 10 years old and messing in things you know nothing about.

  • 07.12.2004 5:32 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Drekos, watch the harsh words. We don't need this thread to be locked (or, if Mods are merciful today, they won't lock but snip specific things).

And its true, believe it or not. A mod did suggest that Eagle and Chaplain make a thread to specifically debate with eachother. I even gave Chaplain the message (under Moderater orders to reply to the mod's request (even though I was not in the know of what that request was).

And he has every right to believe what he does about the Forerunner. It has been hinted at... its not necessarily true, of course, but many people believe it. What's that law? "The simplest explaination is often the right one."

I'm not siding with Chaplain, since I disagree with his theory, and I'm not defending him, I merely don't think people need to flame others just because they don't like their theories, or the way they put it.

No offense.

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We could sit here all day and speculate. I'd rather wait for the game and find out the true story instead of getting all of these ideas in my head. Everything 343 Guilty Spark says in Halo will be explained in Halo 2.

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I dont agree or disagree with the theory, its just Chaplains bombastic, egotistical way of saying it. He talks like he was the first person who thought of it, he isnt, he is just publicizing it. Also him saying "what else could 343 have meant" is like saying he wont even consider other posibilities, such as that by "lost time" he could be referring to gaps in research on other lifeforms and words besieds that of forrunner. a scientist, which is what 343 basically is, could be studying a fish and he goes on vacation for a while and when he comes back his partner has logged the progress of the fishes evolution since he left, that could be "lost time" to the guy who left. "our lost time" doesnt necessarily mean 343 is associating with humans, it could refer to our as forerunners with no human connection

another thing, doesnt it irritate you that he calls his own theory "fact" while everyone elses he calls "speculation"?

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343GS said all that stuff about lost times because he just met you dumb-ass.. Its just as if he is trying to get to know MC, its called gaining knowlage. It is impossible for humans to be forerunners beacuse the forerunners go back along time ago humans only spawned
20 000 yrs ago(AS OF OWER CURRENT STATE OF EVOLUTION).
Human/forerunners=WRONG.
Am only saying all this because i was the one that came up with the idea in red leaders thread, the one about the egypt. Sorry but no its just to big-of a time gap. :D No hard feelings eh?

  • 07.12.2004 6:49 PM PDT

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Shai, it's a proper name, and in pluralizing a proper name as a title ( Inca, Aztec etc,) you do NOT add the S to it-- at least in no anthropology books I have read, but then again, I don't want to contradict you without evidence, and I have no Grammar book in front of me.

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Awwww, you guys are mad at me for having such simple posts? And so mad at me for being the first one to publicize my work? And mad at me for contradicting your hero's theory? You don't like that I stick to one tiny litlle bit of evidence? Here, see how tiny this is, I've been saving this stuff on word so I can put it all together at a later time.

Here's your guys's big huge "theory" page you wnated so badly.

[color=red]REMEMBER, this is all a bunch of different posts, so don't go saying, "Oooohhh it's too confusing it must not be true." If you don't get it, read what you don't get again, you'll soon understand.[/color]

Post Number 1.
In Halo, the last level, Called, "The Maw," You get to the bridge, and what do you know, 343 Guilty Spark, is pulling information from HUMAN, databases. He is looking at the "Pillar of Autumn's" computers. And he says this. "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." NOW, LISTEN. LOOK. LEARN, CONPREHEND, BE GOOD. UNDERSTAND, Because this is the LAST time I will explain it. 343 Guilty Spark Said that he just got a record of all of his lost time... "Human History is it?" HUMAN, History. There you go. WE, are the forerunner.

Post Number 2.
1. 343 Guilty Spark said hat he was built by the Forerunners (In the books). Now, when 343 Guilty Spark referred to his lost time, how could it mean anything other than the forerunners? It doesn't that is what he meant.

2. Then, since 343 Guilty spark referred to that lost time, as human history, how could that not mean humans are forerunners...

3. Thirdly, if a long time ago, the forerunners (Now known as humans) were alive, and they built the Halo's. And when the Halo's were activated, and wiped out most of the forerunners, wouldn't that make for millions of years of, "Lost Time?" Hmmmmm..... Don't you see now what I've seen since the beginning of all of this? The humans, are just a patch filling in for the forerunners, The Humans of NOW may not have built the Halo's, but they did build them a long time ago.

I don't want to get too in depth and start contradicting my insight that this is only a game and the plots don't go that far in, but Zuka Zammamee, when talking to the prophets on one occasion, said something about his armor, and the shields and those things, coming directly from the forerunners. They were having a conversation about the shields that Master Chief has, and speculating weather or not it was better than the Jackal's wrist shield. He sounded concerned about the human shields being better. And asked something to the affect of: "Didn't the Forerunner themselves give us this armor and technology?" To the best of my knowledge and memory (Which is extremely good, I read this book about a year ago.) there was no substantial reply to what Zuka inquired. Meaning that they may not have given the Covenant those supplies, and maybe the prophets are using this war for their own advantage...
I know this brings up all these new idea's trust me I want to go screaming with them, Go ahead and post it. I am making a new thread that has only to posts on it. Admin... Sticky it. It will have all the proof that Forerunners, are Human.

Post Number 3.
Okay, heh, Back again. Now, Eagle117 your question went something along the lines of why did they create a weapon for their own demise. I really don't know why they would do that. Hmm, But here's something, that doesn't prove either way that humans are not forerunners. All that does is prove that we/them have made a stupid invention.

And As for your other idea, if it were fired all sentient life would be destroyed. Okay.... How many years ago was it destroyed? 100,00 years right? Hate to use other people's arguments, but who's system? Earths? Ours? The Covie system? Or the previous more advanced form of humans (i.e. Forerunners.) Which would be very important to recognize, as 343 would only assume his (More his Creators) solar system, he wouldn't automatically assume somebody else’s. And even so 343 acts like he knows the Chief. Do you remember anything from the book? How about The library level. How about that marine. Staff Sergeant Mobuto. Marvin, Mobuto.

"Ah," 343 Guilty Spark said, peering down over the Spartan's shoulder. "The other Reclaimer. His combat skin proved even less suitable than yours."
The soldier looked up over his shoulder. "What do you mean?"
"Is this a test, Reclaimer?" the Monitor seemed genuinely puzzled. "I found him wandering through a structure on the other side of the ring, and brought him to the same point where you started." Page 244 (Bottom paragraphs, word for word.)

That guy. You forget about him? I hope not, I hope nobody would forget about him, because that guy, is a real man. But more to the point. He called him the other Reclaimer. And note, "Reclaimer" is capitalized... That's right, meaning, he isn't just ANY reclaimer, he's the Reclaimer. Human. Not just the Spartans. It isn't just Master Chief that he thinks is the Reclaimer. He is calling human's Reclaimers. Now believe me when I tell you, I am trembling right now, I JUST found that. I feel like saving this on a word doc with the rest of my proof then putting it on the speculation thread. Humans. 343 Calling human's reclaimers.

Hope you had fun. You guys, you think it's so easy to throw around one little guy when you have all your buddies supporting you, well guess what. I just bit you in the ass, and now I'm going to take off your head. (That will come in the form of November 9th.)

[Edited on 7/12/2004 8:15:43 PM]

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have you read any of the counter evidence? what a fool. come back when youve at least gone to high school, no telling if you'll graduate

you told an admin to sticky it? get some psych eval and lower that ego, you are in desperate need of a reality check

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chaplain...i 1000% agree w/ you bout what you said in eagle117's forum...i know its like the worlds best FPS...and its completely awesome...ppl just are tryin to make something out of nothing....thanks for speakin ur mind.

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Written by that guy that didn't even read my post. (AKA Drekos.)have you read any of the counter evidence? what a fool. come back when youve at least gone to high school, no telling if you'll graduate

you told an admin to sticky it? get some psych eval and lower that ego, you are in desperate need of a reality check


Dude, lol you make me laugh, go read my post, then you can say all you want. I know you didn't read my post because you sound, well, not even phased at all by what I said, mybe you DID read it but you're just so in shock that you can't beleive it. Or maybe your brain just couldn't comprehend how obvious it was. Either way, just lay off, you know I am right about this... Oh and the best thing to say to get back at me is "You have a serious ego problem." I already know that though... You know Tom Kezanskie? (Forgot how to spell it exactly) In Star Craft... (The game) His Ego was huge. I'm even bigger.

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Written by one of the smarter people here on these forums. "MasterChief7989" chaplain...i 1000% agree w/ you bout what you said in eagle117's forum...i know its like the worlds best FPS...and its completely awesome...ppl just are tryin to make something out of nothing....thanks for speakin ur mind.

Ty, you don't know how much confidence that gave me, I was worried after what the last guy said that maybe nobody wouldn't understand.

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I read it and I think some of it has possibility but you dont KNOW its right, you dont work for bungie so go screw yourself in front of a mirror, we know you do. It would be impossible for anyone who has an IQ higher than yours (61) to go into shock over such a simple concept that was stated four months ago by someone who WASNT YOU.

ps. why is it so hard for you to accept that your theory has flaws?

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Posted by: Chaplain
Written by one of the smarter people here on these forums. "MasterChief7989" chaplain...i 1000% agree w/ you bout what you said in eagle117's forum...i know its like the worlds best FPS...and its completely awesome...ppl just are tryin to make something out of nothing....thanks for speakin ur mind.

Ty, you don't know how much confidence that gave me, I was worried after what the last guy said that maybe nobody wouldn't understand.


nobody wouldnt understand? son do you understand what a double negative is. if you do you think everyone understands and you are a bigger fool than I thought

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Thanks for spotting that, I'll change it, I was testing how good you are at spotting other peoples personality flaws, and obviously you're a very judgmental person. Where are the flaws, and what has been proven wrong with my "Theory?"

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Chaplain, do you realize that all of your bit posts have been shot down one by one?

Look here is the pure and simple, I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I may even agree with a couple of your ideas (but not how you came up with them, as mostly it's a tangled mess of asinine logic that you are even mixing up). My problem is that you are acting like an arrogant ass, you refuse to answer to any posts that have a legitimate question in them, and you continue to post ridiculous arguments that aren't even true.

You change things to suit your arguments, You refuse to see logic, and you are ignorant in the extreme.

How on earth do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your own arguments begin to sound like a childs rant?

You are not a clear thinker, and you should desist. I am not as nice as Shai Hulud.(Bless the Maker) and I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt anymore. And might I mention, starting ANOTHER thread to speak of the SAME thing is called spam.

Chaplain truly I have never read a thread from someone with such a natural arrogance about something they took a cursory (at best) look at. You make me want to vomit. Trying to argue with people that they are dumb, or as you like to call them 'retarded' because of their interest in a game is ignorant. And making a thread with your own theory is hypocritical. I would wish for you to be fed to cannibals, but you would probably leave a bad taste in their mouth. You are a fool. Worse than that, you will be discredited by the intelligent people on this forum.

By the way, try not to spam a third thread with your half-witted drivel, as I would really hate to see you actually draw some of the younger intellectual potential on these forums down to your level.

Conclusive evidence isn't a bit quote from a game no matter if the game is realistic or not. If it was, I'd have conclusive evidence that Tony Hawk can manual through grass, or that the Buccaneers could beat the Cowboys 178-3. Conclusive evidence is a collection of ALL the availiable evidence. Books, game, news releases, anthropological, geological, physical, astronomical, etc.

The reason Eagle-117's theory was well recieved, and put up as a sticky, is because he used all the evidence he could find, and crafted a plausible theory.

You have done nothing but copy a few of the thoughts of a few forum posters over at HBO, and they wrote it out better than you. Certainly they were more polite.

So before you come up with a half assed attempt at flameing me for this, remember, you have asked for this kind of treatment. You posted and challenged us to disprove your 'theories'(and I use the term theories VERY loosely) and we DID, then you twisted your statements, or ignored us completely. You are not intelligent. Stop pretending to be. You were arrogant and obnoxious, and deserve nothing more than a kick in the teeth.

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what youve said is SPECULATION, youve simply interpreted 343 Guilty Sparks words in such a way that you thought he said humans were forerunners and reclaimers etc. however it is clear from context that this was not intended as the interpretation, he was talking to mc as if he knew everything (see Eagle's) and no you werent testing us youre covering your ass

  • 07.12.2004 9:09 PM PDT