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burned........just burned. give it up chaplain

  • 07.12.2004 9:10 PM PDT
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Chaplain noone wants to hear about your stupid theory anymore. It's bogus, we all know it, humans are not forerunners, we haven't been around long enough to build the ancient halo.
Just quit talking out your ass about it.

  • 07.12.2004 9:14 PM PDT

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I do have my own thoughts on the Human/Forerunner relationship, I do actually think we are the same, BUT I will refrain from psting WHY I think that until I have my facts worked out.

  • 07.12.2004 9:17 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: James064
Chaplain noone wants to hear about your stupid theory anymore. It's bogus, we all know it, humans are not forerunners, we haven't been around long enough to build the ancient halo.
Just quit talking out your ass about it.


No, it is possible we did, though Human History on Earth is only 100,000 years ago, we originated in Kenya, Africa. N. Mombasa is in Africa. The Halo's were activated 101,000 years and some change ago. Is this is a coincedence? With Bungie? I think not. The only explanation I can give as to why we don't 'know' we are the Forerunner is because of the Halo's. We don't know how they work or what type of weapon it is. Only what it does, now, there could have been some wierd fluke where only a handful of Forerunner survived, but had complete memory loss. If you want more of an explanation I'd be happy to oblige. And while I agree with Chaplin that we are the Forerunner, I disagree with him focusing on ONE thing and that's it. Chaplin dude, use more than that quote and use more evidence.

Achilles

Addition: Props to GameJunkieJim for also having a lot of these same thoughts in an eariler post. Sorry dude, didn't read that post. Hope you don't think I'm stealing your thunder. Seems you're right, great minds think alike. =)

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  • 07.12.2004 9:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wra7hofAchilles
Human History on Earth is only 100,000 years ago, we originated in Kenya, Africa. N. Mombasa is in Africa. The Halo's were activated 101,000 years and some change ago. Is this is a coincedence? With Bungie? I think not. The only explanation I can give as to why we don't 'know' we are the Forerunner is because of the Halo's. We don't know how they work or what type of weapon it is. Only what it does, now, there could have been some wierd fluke where only a handful of Forerunner survived, but had complete memory loss. If you want more of an explanation I'd be happy to oblige. And while I agree with Chaplin that we are the Forerunner, I disagree with him focusing on ONE thing and that's it. Chaplin dude, use more than that quote and use more evidence.

Achilles



Did you read what I posted to him earlier? LOL great minds think alike is the cliche' to use here, I believe!!!

  • 07.12.2004 9:30 PM PDT
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posted by chaplain
A theroy is based on Scientific Outcome. Look, if you have a world, where ANYTHING can happen at ANY time. You can't theroize ANYTHING, because EVERYTHING, is possible. It has to be based on a scientific outcome.

ok ill give you this, your theory makes sense, but then why are you saying that you cant theorize after you just did? A theory is a guess as to what will happen based off clues, facts, or opinions...Of course you can theorize, but none of them are 100% true or 100% false... You cant completely prove any theory, if you could, it wouldnt be a thoery. Yes, anything can happen, and our theories are us trying to narrow down the possibilities of what will happen. We are trying to find out what the story of Halo 2 will be before it releases. Any theory can happen, We MIGHT be the Forerunners, and ONI might have known about halo, but we WONT KNOW until Halo 2 comes out(or the next novel).

[Edited on 7/12/2004 9:52:09 PM]

  • 07.12.2004 9:49 PM PDT
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What part of my "Theory" is proven wrong, or what part do you not think is real or ligitamate? None of it has been proven wrong, and it all makes complete and total sense. you guys are just too obsessed with eagles work that you don't want to admit I'm right.

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your not even worth the effort but your attitude pisses me off so much i feel compelled to do this. HAVE YOU READ GAMEFREAKS POST? HAVE YOU READ ACHILLES's POST? IF YOU DID YOU WOULD SHUT UP BECAUSE WHAT ACHILLES DID IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE. it is obvious that youre way too stupid to do that, he used SOLID EVIDENCE compared to your overrepeated crap. or is it that you cant read english rusky? is that why you cant understand the mountains of evidence that is piled against you?

you know what, if achilles had proposed the theory I would have supported him, Im not simply agreeing with eagle but compared to you hes a genieus, not that that takes much. I think its very likely that humans are forerunners but what you present as evidence is a load of crap chaplain and so are you, you should be ashamed of yourself, sign off and never use this ID again because we all know how big a moron you are

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  • 07.12.2004 10:01 PM PDT
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LOL, Prove me wrong, I read all of your guys's Posts, hey're.... Mediocre. All they say is no. They really dno't have any evidence backing anything up. Prove me wrong, Just do it. If I'm such a retard.

  • 07.12.2004 10:15 PM PDT
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If all oupost just say no its because all you posts just say yes... nothign else.

  • 07.12.2004 10:18 PM PDT
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what if the humans were forerunner slaves, then guilty spark could say the same thing and it still fits

  • 07.12.2004 10:18 PM PDT
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how about nobody posts here anymore and we just let thise thread die, its been proven wrong and the theorist(chaplain) wont listen. So I say we all just drop it and let it fall int obscurity..

  • 07.12.2004 10:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
I call this post,"How to prove an idiot wrong."


1. 343 Guilty Spark said hat he was built by the Forerunners (In the books). Now, when 343 Guilty Spark reffered to his lost time, how could it mean anything other than the forerunners? It doesn't that is what he meant.

A: 343 Guilty Spark may simply be referring to time he was dormant on Halo, the humans have a bank of recent history that 343 wasn't able to go and get on his own, since he is a laboratory robot, his natural instinct is to learn. He learned all he could about the flood, having around 100,000 years or so to study them. So to make up for his dormant,(wasted, frittered away) or LOST time, he would then study Human history. He said "we have so much to catch up on" meaning the Forerunner or he himself (I wouldn't put it past the maniacal thing to refer to himself in the plural) needed to catch up on what was going on outside of the construct since it had last been fired. And in case you didn't know, Human history itself is only about 100,000 years old (Who'd have thought?) -blam!- sapiens having first appeared a tiny bit over 100,000 years ago in, (guess where!) Kenya. Guess what's in Kenya? Mombasa, where at least some of Halo 2's action takes place.

2. Then, since 343 Guilty spark reffered to that lost time, as human history, how could that not mean humans are forerunners...

See the answer to your redundant drivel explained above.

3. Thirdly, if a long time ago, the forerunenrs (Now known as humans) were alive, and they built the Halo's. And when the Halo's were activated, and wiped out most of the forerunners, wouldn't that make for millions of years of, "Lost Time?" Hmmmmm..... Don't you see now what I've seen since the begining of all of this? The humans, are just a patch filling in for the forerunners, The Humans of NOW may not have built the Halo's, but they did build them a long time ago.

You may or may not be correct about the humans being the forerunner, but your explanations are horrible and full of holes, the Halos were activated 101,000 and some change years ago, not the millions in human history. Try thinking outside the peanut for a moment. 100,000 years? New Mombasa? Mombasa being near where they found the first -blam!- sapiens, that same fossil being a tiny bit more than 100,000 years ago? Think about things for a bit before you open that sewage filled blowpipe on the top of your neck.





And just for your continued edification, the plural of Forerunner is Forerunner.


you didnt read everything cause you obviously didnt read this, this is more than just no, it is counterpoint and counterevidence to everything you have said with completely valid arguement, dont say we didnt prove you wrong because this is only one such example of the MANY times you have been proven wrong or insufficient

  • 07.12.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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No, Dude, Uh, lol No, what? What? I lol I don't understand how that even proves anything.

And You can't Prove me wrong... Can you? All you guys are doing is saying I'm stupid. lol prove me wrong if I'm so wrong.

Ooops, I am replying to that one guy that said the humans are the slaves, not your post.

[Edited on 7/12/2004 10:23:25 PM]

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It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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I know drekos I know.totally agree.just stop posting in chaplains theory threads, he is proven wrong and continues to not listen, lets all just let this stuff die..

  • 07.12.2004 10:23 PM PDT
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If enough evidence piled up against you doesn't proove you wrong, you can't hope that the little so called evidence you have can sustain your side...

  • 07.12.2004 10:24 PM PDT
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champlain just give up. eagle has already SHATTERED your theory PERMANENTLY you have LOST the support of the forum (i dont know if he had any support in the first place)

your theory is based on ONE line said by guilty spark wereas eagles theory was constructed by many hours of research thru the books and the game

so go by the old saying "if you cant beat them join them!" ;-)

[Edited on 7/12/2004 10:26:26 PM]

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  • 07.12.2004 10:36 PM PDT

Alright Chaplain.

Stop ignoring the POINT of my question to you.

HOW, not why, are the Humans species in existance if Halo was already fired in the past. [color=red]IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL THE HUMANS!!!!!!![/color], because that is what the ring was designed to do. If there are any Humans left after Halo is fired, then the Flood still pose a threat. So, stop skidding the point that I've posted around 10 times, just answer it.

Second, you obviously haven't read through my thread since you got flamed out of it. I've already explained the "other Reclaimer" thing 3 or 4 times. I'll repost it for you though:)

[color=aqua]I believe that Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto is more of a "mistakened Reclaimer" taken to the Library when the events of Halo (the game) take place, and not the Reclaimer that I refer to in my theory. Why? Well, there are others on Halo at the time of the events of the game who have suits of armor similar in fashion to the Spartan's Mark IV. Who you might ask... ODSTs:)

We know from First Strike that there were ODST's on Halo, because the MC finds Locklear... the only ODST left of his squad. It is quite possible that this "other Reclaimer" spoken about in The Flood is an ODST, and not a marine who was mistakened a Spartan/MC:)

ALSO

If there was a clone made of the MC who was sent to Halo by Ackerson, he would have surely been wearing some type of armor for protection. It wouldn't have been Mark IV armor though, because a clone of the MC wouldn't have the augmentation needed to wear Mark IV armor... the Spartans weren't born with super human abilities. So, what is the next best armor that is used by the UNSC... ODST armor.

To add to this, we know that Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto was wearing a suit of armor, because 343 GS refers to him as wearing a "less effective combat skin". So, we can tell from this statement, made by 343 GS, that the "other Reclaimer" was wearing a suit of armor that was less effective than the MC's. The only suit of armor that fits this profile is an ODST suit of armor. Normal soldiers do not wear suits of armor/combat skins. They just have a helmet and some bullet proof armor covering their vital organ areas.[/color]


Now, I can see that you'll still try to skirt the issue here. Here is the answer to your next question:

[color=aqua]I have already stated dozens of times that the black ops mission that is mentioned in the book is indeed the one to replace John 117 as a child. However, I still believe it's quite possible that Ackerson used a clone of the MC, and possibly the other Spartan II's, for a mission to Halo. I have yet to here another explanation (other than the much speculated Spartan III's ) as to why Ackerson had all the information to clone the Spartan II's in the same file as the location of Halo.[/color]


-Eagle 117

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  • 07.12.2004 10:40 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

LoL. And no I didn't see your eariler post GameJunkieJim. Sorry, if I did I woulda mentioned you. I hope you didn't think I stole your idea? Seems we have the same thinking... ;)

Achilles

  • 07.12.2004 10:43 PM PDT
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for the last time chaplain, stop pretending like you know everything, you try proving something with as much facts as eagle 117 did.


p.s this is like the hundredth time you posted this thread and it always started with you saying it was the last time you'll explain this piece of crap

  • 07.12.2004 10:47 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: Eagle 117
HOW, not why, are the Humans species in existance if Halo was already fired in the past. [color=red]IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL THE HUMANS!!!!!!![/color], because that is what the ring was designed to do. If there are any Humans left after Halo is fired, then the Flood still pose a threat. So, stop skidding the point that I've posted around 10 times, just answer it.
-Eagle 117


True, theoriciatlly we could debate then that all mammal life ceased to exsist too. Though I would like to point out we do not know what kind of weapon Halo is, or how it kills all life that can sustain the Flood. We just know it is supposed too. My only explanation at this time is that one, the Forerunner knew they'd be gone, so like an old time Sci-Fi flick or like in the old novels you have a small group of people picked to survive. That no matter what the speices will continue. Now to survive this killer of all weapons, perhaps a Forerunner structure was made specifically to keep them alive, there could have been side effects, unforseen ones such as total amnesia. I know it may seem like I am reaching, but I'm in the process of finalizing this. Give me a day or two.

Achilles

  • 07.12.2004 10:49 PM PDT

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p.s this is like the hundredth time you posted this thread

tru7h

and it always started with you saying it was the last time you'll explain this piece of crap


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  • 07.12.2004 10:50 PM PDT

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Uhh eagle..you do know why the forerunners built installation 04,halo?right?i mean it's not the only installation that was built,and THAT IS WHY THE FLOOD IS Back,because these installations were created to study the flood..The Forerunner are shrouded in mystery. Although their cyclopean architecture still remains, they have long been absent from their own creations. What little we know of them is explained vicariously through their machinery and their automatons. Clearly, they were technologically superior to both Humanity and the Covenant. Their empire spanned at least this galaxy, encompassing both Einsteinian reality and Slipspace.

At one point in the Forerunner's history, they encountered the Flood. For whatever reason, they felt it was necessary to contain and study the Flood, in colossal facilities capable of omitting sentient life from the entire galaxy, rather than destroy them outright. Their allowance of the Flood's perpetuation could be considered an inexcusable lack of foresight for such an advanced civilization, though without knowing their precise reasoning, the passing of judgement is problematic.

The Forerunner had abandoned this Halo, Installation 04, some time ago, leaving their robotic compatriots behind to defend and monitor the installation. Seeing the Master Chief and Cortana breach protocol and refuse to activate Halo upon the Flood's release, 343 Guilty Spark turns Halo's only known internal defensive system on them: the Sentinels.
,..and chaplain,what dO YOU KNOW if the humans are forerunners or not?it hasn't been proven,right now,what it is said(by bungie) is that the forerunner are a third race in our halo story..1st humans ,2nd covenants,3rd Forerunners.And no oen here really has the right to flame chaplain ina group.

[Edited on 7/12/2004 10:53:36 PM]

  • 07.12.2004 10:51 PM PDT