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read the nice story and go to bed Chaplain, the big people need to have a discussion...

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A: 343 Guilty Spark may simply be referring to time he was dormant on Halo, the humans have a bank of recent history that 343 wasn't able to go and get on his own, since he is a laboratory robot, his natural instinct is to learn.

You lied to everyone when you said that.

You may or may not be correct about the humans being the forerunner, but your explanations are horrible and full of holes,

How are they horrible and full of holes?

the Halos were activated 101,000 and some change years ago

Where does it say that... And to my knowledge it was only 100,000

Try thinking outside the peanut for a moment. 100,000 years? New Mombasa? Mombasa being near where they found the first -blam!- sapiens, that same fossil being a tiny bit more than 100,000 years ago?

No, you're wrong the first man (Or oldest to knowledge I should say) is the Kennawick man, found in the Puget Sound, right smack dab in Washington. USA. You're w3rong and you lied to your audience.

343 Guilty Spark may simply be referring to time he was dormant on Halo,

Tell me, where does it say he was dormant...? And even IF he was dormant on Halo... Why would he refer so specificly to Human's... Hmm...

Where did I go to today? Look in the thread, today, I went somewhere, where did I go? Trust me this is a serious question and you'll get it later. It should be on one of the last pages. No here, I'll make it easy for you, this is what I said, "Anyways, I have to go to our store, I'll be back later. They want me there." Where did I go?

"we have so much to catch up on"

False Contents, that's plagerism and you know what kind of trouble that gets you in? A LOT. Where does it say that? Hmm? It doens't you lied to your audience again.

And in case you didn't know, Human history itself is only about 100,000 years old.

Human history as of NOW. Not hundereds of years in the furure as it is in the game, that blows your entire arguement out of ratio. That's like a bus T-Boning a Honda Prelude. You don't even barely have an arguement anymore.

Think about things for a bit before you open that sewage filled blowpipe on the top of your neck.

Do you know what psycology is? Because I do, and you sounded mad, and guess what? You're mad at something, and you didn't tell us what, and that means you're hiding something from us. What is making you mad? You are a bad person. You lie to your audience, you hide your feelings, and yuo called me bad names. Despite my name I am an Atheist. But something I would like to give to you guys from my previous Christian years. What did the common towns people think of Noah? A crazy fool.

The reason why I never replied to YOU, is because I didn't want to spend the time replying to a peice of crap defense. That, all of it, all of that CRAP, is useless, give me ligit stuff. You're not even trying, go on, read the books, get me ligitimate stuff.

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chaplain i've made fun of you hundreds of times, and you never say anything back. what the hell?

  • 07.12.2004 11:00 PM PDT

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I read your post, and I stand by my actions without remorse.

Go back and read his posts, if you will. I don't disagree with his conclusion, I disagree with his theory, and his arrogance, and his flippant attitude.

The fact is, everyone first responded to him in the standard way, and he became arrogant.

This started in Eagle's post, where Chaplain started out his introduction (for me) by being an ass.

The fact of the matter is, he deserves all the bad mouthing he's getting.

And nice to see you, by the way!

  • 07.12.2004 11:01 PM PDT

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Spartan this is not about makign fun of anyone,and uhh..who the HELL SAID the monitor was dormant in halo that is the lamest -blam!- ever!!!please if you;re gonna post on this thread,then stop GUESSING.and read a little bit,let me refresh ur memory..(to whoever said that desperate thing..>>>the monitor was dormant in halo<<)
******The Forerunner had abandoned this Halo, Installation 04, some time ago, leaving their robotic compatriots behind to defend and monitor the installation******. Seeing the Master Chief and Cortana breach protocol and refuse to activate Halo upon the Flood's release, 343 Guilty Spark turns Halo's only known internal defensive system on them: the Sentinels.
HOW IS THAT DORMANT?!!?the monitor was just fullfillign his master's wish,study the flood and learn about them.not "dormant.."like..not workinglol.

  • 07.12.2004 11:04 PM PDT

Chaplain, I give up.

This is the last you'll see of me in your thread, and it's not because you're right. If there is one thing I'll give you credit for, it's this. You've got me really fired up for Halo 2 XBL. There are going to be so many people that want to kick your @$$, and that's putting it nicely, that you'll never have to worry about finding a game. It will really be something to watch for.

I have NEVER come in contact with a person that can make so many enemies out of potential friends in such a short amount of time... you've got the gold medal when it comes to this. Do you realize how many people you've rubbed the wrong way in the last few days?


-Eagle 117

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You still have not answered my question!

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In very short TERMS,i'd like to knwo waht these two dudes are arguing about cuz it seems pointless,niether of them will give up,so can soemone fill me in?

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he wont answer your question eagle he's afraid of you

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Okay, Okay, I'm about to just lmfao at you.

HOW, not why, are the Humans species in existance if Halo was already fired in the past. IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL THE HUMANS!!!!!!!, because that is what the ring was designed to do. If there are any Humans left after Halo is fired, then the Flood still pose a threat. So, stop skidding the point that I've posted around 10 times, just answer it

I've answered that. Dude, I've answered that twice now. Which solar system.

Now here you say.

I believe that Stf. Sergent Marvin Mobuto is more of a "mistakened Reclaimer" taken to the Library when the events of Halo (the game) take place, and not the Reclaimer that I refer to in my theory.

LOL, Dude, you can't post that... lol "I believe" is not a ligitimate defense, I beleive you're retarded... Are you? No, but just because I beleive you are doesn't mean you are.

Dude, look at what you said here:

If there was a clone made of the MC who was sent to Halo by Ackerson, he would have surely been wearing some type of armor for protection.

Says you he'd be wearing some protective armor. Why would he be doing that? because you want him to? Because you wnat to prove your point?

However, I still believe it's quite possible that Ackerson used a clone of the MC, and possibly the other Spartan II's, for a mission to Halo.

There you go saying "You beleive" again. Do I care about your opinion? Does a court decide on opinions, and possibility? Or does it sway towards the reasonable factual evidence? Yes, you know the answer to that.

Dude, You seem to think that your opnions are substantial evidence counterattacking my "Theory." You're wrong. They do not. They just make sense because the majority of this forum likes you more, because I said your theory blows. Look, you guys, look at what you've done.

champlain just give up. eagle has already SHATTERED your theory PERMANENTLY you have LOST the support of the forum (i dont know if he had any support in the first place)

Not only are you stupid and spelled my name wrong, you are under a dumb mentality that Eage is some sort of smarrt guy that knows everything. Look at what you said, you said he shattered my theory. DUDE!!! LOL, When yuo said this, Eagle Hadn't even replied to this topic sense like page 4-5... LOL, he didn't shatter ANYTHING. Yuo guys are all under this impression that Eagle is right, when really, Eagle has done nothing except display his opinion. His OPINION. Opinions don't matter. Facts do, and I have plenty of them.

Name what parts of my "Theory" (Which it really isn't, it is just fictionally based Facts) are incorrect. And that whole thing "Read the real story." Omfg lol Fan fiction. Fan fiction is on my list of one of the dumbest things to do. That's when you know you don't have a life.

All you guys have said s far is just "BUT THE HALO WAS SET OFF!!!" So...... What does that matter anyways? Tell me, why does that mean that the forerunner would all be dead? Why wouldn't they program it to not destroy them? DUH. LOL, Lets make an installation, that holds an enemy we don't like, and if they escape, lets blow ourselves to peices... Wtf. You guys are all so.... Ignorant. It says nowhere that the forerunners were killed or extinct, wouldn't that be something to tell about??? YEAH, I think it would be. DO YOU? Answer all of my quesions please, don't ignore them like you usually do.

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You lied to everyone when you said that.

First and foremost, I never lie. I haven't told a lie since I was seventeen, and if you were looking for a way to anger me, that was it you ignorant fu.ck...


You may or may not be correct about the humans being the forerunner, but your explanations are horrible and full of holes,

How are they horrible and full of holes?


There are gaps in time you fail to explain, there are misquotes from you, there are changes in theory from post to post etc.


the Halos were activated 101,000 and some change years ago

Where does it say that... And to my knowledge it was only 100,000


The Flood - page 238 lines 10 through 12 --
...how long has it been since you were left in charge?"
"Exactly 101,217 local years.
(Local years are probably similar to earths years, since it seems to replicate inclement weather patterns it probably has similar seasons, but I digress, that is more info for my own theory.)


No, you're wrong the first man (Or oldest to knowledge I should say) is the Kennawick man, found in the Puget Sound, right smack dab in Washington. USA. You're w3rong and you lied to your audience.

If in fact you were correct, then I would have been misinformed, and I still in no way lied to anyone. But I think you need to check Kennawick man again because he is only 9600 years old. Wonderful thing the internet, you can look up things really quick. You are wrong again.



we have so much to catch up on"

False Contents, that's plagerism and you know what kind of trouble that gets you in? A LOT. Where does it say that? Hmm? It doens't you lied to your audience again.


#1 I was quoting you when I said that. #2 Plagerism means passing something off as your own. #3 I didn't lie again. Just in case you want the direct quote,



"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating. "

Notice that he is an enemy of Master Chief and Cortana at this point in the game, and no longer considers them Forerunner. "Our" in the quote refers to forerunner.

NEXT

And in case you didn't know, Human history itself is only about 100,000 years old.

Human history as of NOW. Not hundereds of years in the furure as it is in the game, that blows your entire arguement out of ratio. That's like a bus T-Boning a Honda Prelude. You don't even barely have an arguement anymore.


Hey man, can you add? 2552 - 2004. What is an extra 448 years when compared directly with , and listen to this word carefully, AROUND 100,000 years. Carbon-14 dating isn't that exact with things that old. They can tell you withing a few centuries nothing more. And adding the time for the setting of the game, and the firing of the Halo, it makes my argument stronger, and yours weaker. Thank You.


Think about things for a bit before you open that sewage filled blowpipe on the top of your neck.

Do you know what psycology is? Because I do, and you sounded mad, and guess what? You're mad at something, and you didn't tell us what, and that means you're hiding something from us. What is making you mad? You are a bad person. You lie to your audience, you hide your feelings, and yuo called me bad names. Despite my name I am an Atheist. But something I would like to give to you guys from my previous Christian years. What did the common towns people think of Noah? A crazy fool.

The reason why I never replied to YOU, is because I didn't want to spend the time replying to a peice of crap defense. That, all of it, all of that CRAP, is useless, give me ligit stuff. You're not even trying, go on, read the books, get me ligitimate stuff.


Do you know how to spell psychology? I am still mad, actually I am quite angry that you are talking out of your ass on the other side of an internet connection instead of right here. I do not lie. Period. Not anonymously, I just don't do it. It's not worth the hassle. If I lied I would have to change my stories every five minutes like you do. I could not care less about your religious preference, and it has no place here. I didn't bother giving you 'legitimate' evidence, because you hadn't provided any to support your hackneyed theory.

And either learn to spell or get a spell checker. It's hard to read your posts when they look like they are written by a 12 year old with ADHD.

So is that direct enough for you?

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chaplain why are you making fun of the guy that called you champlain when you just called eagle 117 "eage"

  • 07.12.2004 11:37 PM PDT

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wow...you really made them look dumb,although i still don't know what the problem is..is the problem ..."Chaplain thinks humans are forerunners and Eagle disagrees?"<<
And whats up with this crap about clones?i know ur not THAT dumb..are you Eagle?or whoever posted that,i think chaplain was reffering to eagle..well..
Humans with near perfect DNA with natural stunning intellect and physical attributes were kidnapped at the ages of 5-7 and replaced with flash clones that soon died to cover up the kidnappings.

They we're brought to Reach where they endured the most vigorous training exercises. At the ages of 13-15 the Spartans went through physical augmentation to make them into the perfect soldier. The process killed many or made them unable to remain in active duty, but those who came out of it ok we're the best the UNSC had.

After taking care of various rebel situations, their main training was cut short with the coming of the Covenant.

O0OHH give me a break..my fingers hurt..well,that cloning stuff is nothing but an oppinion as chaplain said(AND I AM NOT TAKING SIDES)just letting you know what's going on..

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chaplain if eagle's "OPINION" doesn't matter than why are you so offended by it. and if it is just a game as you say why do you care about eagle 117's "OPINION" so much?

  • 07.12.2004 11:41 PM PDT

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Chaplain needs to pay more attention to that little quote in his signature.

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Posted by: Chaplain
Stated by that good-looking stud who is extremely charming and intelligent: JohnconstantineWhy do that? You've already lost the 'debate' (if you want to call it a debate), you just won't accept it.

You have yet to prove that the 'Evolution of Man' doesn't exist in Halo.

You have yet to prove that Halos Earth has no evidence of fossils going back 2 million years even though humans should have been destroyed sometime in their evolution


Oh boy, here we go. Dude, This is what I mean it doens't go this far in depth. Now take Bungie, and then take world history. Bungie, will not plan an entire game, around specifics, of wolrd hstory. If you think they will, you need to sleep. Dude, lol moron, Bungie doesn't care how far abck earths history goes...

Do you have ANY proof of this BS? You state that Bungie isn't going to plan their story around the history and you have NO proof!

I state that Bungie HAS created their story around world history...AND I HAVE PROOF.
- Admiral Whitcombs description of the Alamo in 'First Strike'
- MCs explanation of the battle of Thermopylae
- Deja teaching the Spartans of the battle between the real Spartans against the Persian infantry

Lessee here -
your argument = NO PROOF
my argument = PROOF

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And besides even if they did plan it around world history I'll come up with an answer to your crusade of illogic. The halo destroyed everything that could be consumed or whatever, I don't get it, how does that mean that it will pulverize everything to the point where there are no fossil's whatsoever. ???
This 'argument' is wrong in so many ways - where do I start?

Oh yeah - I suppose I could remind you of the fact that there are complex life forms living today that have been around for millions of years as well as humans. Alligators...turtles...sharks...shall I go on? They should have been completely eradicated but they weren't. Humans should have been eradicated but they weren't either - no, humans would go on evolving from -blam!- habilis of 2 million years ago to the neandertals of 200,000 years ago to humans now.

And the fact that you somehow believe that archeologists would miss a global extinction event leads me to the conclusion that you are in a debate and you are in over your head, you obviously have no clue of what the archeological effect would be in studying a global extinction event. For one thing, there would be no archeologists to study it - in fact, there should be no life forms at all with the possible exception of bacteria ; )

I'm confsed as to how you thought so hard you cramped yourself to this position, it's just a game, that isn't even a ligitimate arguement. They don't go that far in depth.
"It's just a game." - that's your argument...what you propose is that we not use the novels because they do go in depth...they're also bad for your argument, aren't they?

You somehow completely attempt to ignore the novels even though they offer cannon evidence in the story of Halo when in fact that is not true!?! Eric Nylund knows the story - him and Eric Trautmann were the ones that outlined the 'Halo Story Bible'. Nylund knows for a fact whether or not humans are Forerunner. So, of course, his interpretation is wrong!?!

And when have I said ANYTHING about evolution.
You didn't - scientific logic escapes you.
And if I do prove that evolution of man doens't exist in Halo, wtf, what would that even prove? Nothing.
OMG! How dense are you? That would prove that humans haven't been evolving in the world of Halo. That would strengthen your position that humans haven't been evolving these past 2+ million years but are, in fact, the Forerunner - an ancient, intelligent race that has existed the span of the galaxy for millenia.

How old are you, anyways? Do you know anything of legitimate debate, I wonder? Or am I just wasting my time with a grade-schooler? I don't know - that's why I ask, I'm not trying to insult you.
And lastly, how did I lose? I don't understand, what have yuo done to prove me wrong? Nothing.
Here's how you've already lost:

Your argument consists of one thing - of one 'simple' thing (as you like to put it);
you claim that Guilty Sparks 'our history comment' seals up your argument. You claim, the humans are Forerunner. It is no longer a theory now - it is fact! This is your argument.

However, let's see how this argument would look like in a court of law, shall we?

Ah yes! It's called 'hearsay':

Posted by: dictionary.com
hear·say ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hîrs)
n.
1. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
Law.
2. Law. Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.


And you know what else? It doesn't matter whether or not GS states clearly and loudly proclaims, "Humans are Forerunner!" - it is a complete fallacy...inadmissible...theory...conjecture...NOT FACT!

Why? Because you have no clue whether he was lying or telling truth. You don't know if GS was somehow misinformed or not. You have no clue what he meant or what his motivations were when he said that statement. You're argument is hearsay.


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Number one, I wrote all of that up VERY quickly, excuse me for misspelling something. And number two, you lied. You know you did, when you say something that is not true, and you mean it. That is a lie. Don't beat around the bush. Number three, the kennawick man IS the oldest man alive never-the-less. I don't know what your stupid scourses say, but he is the oldest, and he was not found in Mombasa.

I have something for you guys. It's called off the topic proof. And here's what I have to say. When you spend endless hours researching, researching and reasearching, you wil find things, that are not substantial, that will sway your opinion in any which way. Atheist that say, "I'll look for as much evidence as I can to prove it wrong." look in the bible, and even though there is no substantial proof, they find all these things, and they think "Ohhhh I get it." When really they don't. And it's all just a bunch of bull. Look at what you guys have done. The same thing, you sarted out with facts in Halo, then you researched deeper thoughts on all of this, and now you've come to this conclusion. You all need to go look at what my evidence says. It is all there, you just don't want to beleive it. Look at it again, refresh your memory. Sure there's things taht are wrong with what I've said, but what doens't have a weak spot? Go read it, and if you still don't beleive me, read it again. And so far nobody has told me where I was today, I said "Our store wants me to be there." Where was I?

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I'm about to repost all of my evidence in a revised form so you can see that the forerunner's are Humans. Don't -blam!-i.n' Flame me for doing this, I'm sick of you guys telling me it's bull. Because if anything is bull, it's your guys's dumb opnions. What I have said is facts from the game, and from the books.

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chaplain you still haven't replied to anything bad i've told you. which proves your not only scared of eagle 117 but everyone else in this forum.

p.s. good luck making any friends on this forum now : )


p.s.s.so you might as well go play with your imaginary friends 'till Nov. 9th

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you can't expect people to not flame you. it's too late for them not to flame you


just remember you brought this on yourself

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Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

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And so far nobody has told me where I was today, I said "Our store wants me to be there." Where was I?


Off in your own little world it seems.

the kennawick man IS the oldest man alive never-the-less. I don't know what your stupid scourses say, but he is the oldest, and he was not found in Mombasa.


I'd like to see your sources pertaining to this... or can you even give them? Also we said the oldest human found was in Kenya, which is the country that the city Mombasa lies.

I have something for you guys. It's called off the topic proof. And here's what I have to say. When you spend endless hours researching, researching and reasearching, you wil find things, that are not substantial, that will sway your opinion in any which way. Atheist that say, "I'll look for as much evidence as I can to prove it wrong." look in the bible, and even though there is no substantial proof, they find all these things, and they think "Ohhhh I get it." When really they don't. And it's all just a bunch of bull. Look at what you guys have done. The same thing, you sarted out with facts in Halo, then you researched deeper thoughts on all of this, and now you've come to this conclusion. You all need to go look at what my evidence says. It is all there, you just don't want to beleive it. Look at it again, refresh your memory. Sure there's things taht are wrong with what I've said, but what doens't have a weak spot? Go read it, and if you still don't beleive me, read it again.

By this arguement of us not, 'reseraching ourselves' we are denying ourselves of knowledge. We as a race want to learn, why have we gotten to where we are? Why do we know what we know... because we have some base facts and we RESEARCH!!!! How many things would we NOT have had it not been for people like Eagle 117, SS Halo, and GameJunkieJim. Albiet this is research about Halo, but it is still an example of people who pursue a fact and build upon it. Without this, we are no better off than simple animals living in the wild.

Achilles


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Spartan,again,this thread is not ABOUT flaming and answering to stupid little "attempts to diss",and last,he is not talking to you.so please let him and eagle (if he ever comes back) discuss it.

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I do not lie, and if anyone else thought I did, they would have backed you up.

My stupid sources on Kennawick Man is the one and only Discovery Channel. He is the oldest fossil -blam!- Sapiens on the American Continent not the world. And he's not alive moron.

I just will not respond to you anymore. You are an ignorant pr.ick, you have no class. I just owned you and you still tried to twist it and insult me. You are a ignorant liar, and the intelligence you claim to field is suspect at best. You are an idiot. You are a simpleton. I never lied, and I don't lie, and if you're going to be worth a damn in anyone's eyes, you need to knock it off. Quit being a little man, and quit trying to overcompensate for things you know nothing about. I went through your letter piece by piece and, for lack of a better word, OWNED you. I proved everything you said to be utter tripe.

Go away. You bother me brat.

I am just sickened by the mere thought that you may actually be smart enough to pass high school. I guess business math isn't all that selective though.

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sorry ss halo he is just so frekin irritating to me like you will not believe

you have to admit he is annoying

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In Halo, the last level, Called, "The Maw," You get to the bridge, and what do you know, 343 Guilty Spark, is pulling information from Human, databases. He is looking at the "Pillar of Autumn's" computers. And he says this. "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." 343 Guilty Spark Said that he just got a record of all of his lost time... "Human History is it?" Human, History. There you go. We, are the forerunner.

1. 343 Guilty Spark said hat he was built by the Forerunners (In the books). Now, when 343 Guilty Spark referred to his lost time, how could it mean anything other than the forerunners? It doesn't that is what he meant.

2. Then, since 343 Guilty spark referred to that lost time, as human history, how could that not mean humans are forerunners...

3. Thirdly, if a long time ago, the forerunners (Now known as humans) were alive, and they built the Halo's. And when the Halo's were activated, and wiped out most of the forerunners, wouldn't that make for millions of years of, "Lost Time?" Hmmmmm..... The humans, are just a patch filling in for the forerunners, The Humans of NOW may not have built the Halo's, but they did build them a long time ago.

I don't want to get too in depth and start contradicting my insight that this is only a game and the plots don't go that far in, but Zuka Zammamee, when talking to the prophets on one occasion, said something about his armor, and the shields and those things, coming directly from the forerunners. They were having a conversation about the shields that Master Chief has, and speculating weather or not it was better than the Jackal's wrist shield. He sounded concerned about the human shields being better. And asked something to the affect of: "Didn't the Forerunner themselves give us this armor and technology?" To the best of my knowledge and memory (Which is extremely good, I read this book about a year ago.) there was no substantial reply to what Zuka inquired. Meaning that they may not have given the Covenant those supplies, and maybe the prophets are using this war for their own advantage...

Now, Eagle117 your question went something along the lines of why did they create a weapon for their own demise. I really don't know why they would do that. Hmm, But here's something, that doesn't prove either way that humans are not forerunners. All that does is prove that we/them have made a stupid invention.

And As for your other idea, if it were fired all sentient life would be destroyed. Okay.... How many years ago was it destroyed? 100,000 years right? Hate to use other people's arguments, but who's system? Earths? Ours? The Covie system? Or the previous more advanced form of humans (i.e. Forerunners.) Which would be very important to recognize, as 343 would only assume his (More his Creators) solar system, he wouldn't automatically assume somebody else’s. And even so 343 acts like he knows the Chief. Do you remember anything from the book? How about The library level. How about that marine. Staff Sergeant Mobuto. Marvin, Mobuto.

"Ah," 343 Guilty Spark said, peering down over the Spartan's shoulder. "The other Reclaimer. His combat skin proved even less suitable than yours."
The soldier looked up over his shoulder. "What do you mean?"
"Is this a test, Reclaimer?" the Monitor seemed genuinely puzzled. "I found him wandering through a structure on the other side of the ring, and brought him to the same point where you started." Page 244 (Bottom paragraphs, word for word.)

That guy. You forget about him? I hope not, I hope nobody would forget about him, because that guy, is a real man. But more to the point. He called him the other Reclaimer. And note, "Reclaimer" is capitalized... That's right, meaning, he isn't just ANY reclaimer, he's the Reclaimer. Human. Not just the Spartans. It isn't just Master Chief that he thinks is the Reclaimer. He is calling human's Reclaimers. Now believe me when I tell you, I am trembling right now, I JUST found that. I feel like saving this on a word doc with the rest of my proof then putting it on the speculation thread. Humans. 343 Calling human's reclaimers.

OH OH and Lastly before I forget. The Forerunner didn't give the armor and weapons and stuff to the covenant (Further proving my point) because in the game and books, 343 says "The other species." While referring to the covenant. And if 343 Doesn’t know who the covenant are, then the forerunner obviously never really made any transactions such as those, and that would conclude that the Covenant are not in contact with the forerunner, placing the forerunner in the spot that the forerunner should be in. (Non-associated with the covenant.)

You guys. Do you see? None of this has holes, none of it has a lie in there, it is all, ever bit of it, based on what the characters said in the books, and in the game. That is what is important, I wouldn't care at all if you guys don't beleive me, I don't care one bit, but you guys don't just not beleive me, you call me stupid, and dumb, for coming up with this, For that, I cannot let that go. Weather you wnat to admit it or not. This is substantial evidence, physical evidence, and reliable evidence that does not include any lies, fictional words, or my own opinions, as many of your topics an thread do include. Please, understand that I am not a liar, and that my "Theory" is ligitimate, so that I can go to sleep without somebody saying I'm dumb for being right. Eagle, you and your supporters first got mad at me for saying that you're taking this too far, and too far in depth. It is, you can't see that? I told my friends about you and they laughed. You're all thinking too hard.

  • 07.13.2004 12:17 AM PDT