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Subject: fake e3 03 video?
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Yeah I've been. I used to have the old 7ru7h and Reconcilia7ion site as my homepage.

  • 07.11.2004 12:37 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

yeah me too. brings back memories of spam-free days.

[Edited on 7/11/2004 12:39:01 PM]

  • 07.11.2004 12:38 PM PDT
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Yeah, the Tru7h and Reconcilia7ion was good, but I wasn't a member. My parents wouldn't let me join until about a month ago. :-( But I suppose the change was for the better.

  • 07.11.2004 12:43 PM PDT
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Back then, new people didnt come unless they were truly interested about Halo and the Halo universe. They didnt just come cause microsoft's fancy flash halo2 page told them to, and then spam it up.

  • 07.11.2004 12:43 PM PDT
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True, you actually had to post about games back then, not like now when spamming is at an all time high.

  • 07.11.2004 12:47 PM PDT

gamer tag: CrazyChinchilla

by the way that was me who said it was looked sorta open ended

  • 07.11.2004 12:51 PM PDT
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just to clear things up, whenever i watched the video the first time, it looked like the grunts were holding their eyes like they had been blinded. it was MY OPINION that it was a flasher. i didn't expect that there would be whole pages of people saying 'is','isn't', 'it so is'.

thanks to a lot of people who knew things i didn't, such as the possibility that it was a demonstration of the engine. however, considering the obvious amount of work they put into the level design and the fact that THIS FORUM is named after the level, i don't think they'll abandon the level entirely. like someone said, it'll probably just be modified for the final cut. apologies to anyone whose ideas i've copied.

thanks, tex mex matt, for your ideas.

  • 07.11.2004 1:32 PM PDT
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Jesus christ, I have always thought of that. I mean ever since I watched that video I have wondered what would have happened if you had driven somewhere else. I have thought long and hard and the only thing I can imagine is that nothing would happen. You would just be there and do what ever it is you are doing.

  • 07.11.2004 1:37 PM PDT
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nedus and ops agent 117...could you tone down the conversation about contrails a bit? if that's what interests you, fine, but i'm sure that there's a thread somewhere in the 300+ pages of this forum that allows you to talk about that in more detail.

btw, reply 'yes', if you want covenant ninja banned (even though he's probably pissed off to the nearest manicurist). Flaming/spamming REALLY annoys me.

So, kids, don't flame or, for that matter, spam: its not big, its not clever, its not FUNNY

  • 07.11.2004 1:45 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

dont be telling me what to post and what not to post. you dont like it you go find another thread. i dont need a lecture on the rules. ive been here long enough to know. and quit patronizing people,like youre a mod or something,when youve been here less than a week

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  • 07.11.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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i didn't mean it like that, nedus. its just that i started this thread for a particular topic, that's all. i didn't think you'd get annoyed like that. sorry. i wasn't questioning the fact that you've obviously been here longer than me, and i didn't think that i was being patronizing.

[Edited on 7/11/2004 2:21:31 PM]

  • 07.11.2004 2:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth01
I go around the world leaving a path of destruction in my wake. When I come to a city, grown men cry and women wail. I collect the skulls of my enemies and display them for all to see.........I also kick puppies. For fun.

Pardon me for stepping out on a limb here, but I think I'm gonna say something on this topic that should clear things up for later readers.

The demo was all set up and there is obvious support for my opinion.
A. Ok, of course the marines drove and let the MC shoot, maybe he could have kicked out the driver, but who in the hell wants to watch somebody drive around a Worthog for 8 minutes. I, personally liked to see things being blown up.
B. There is no shield meter, and the player cannot be killed (it would be embarassing to die while doing the demo, so he was invincible.
C. Last thing, I forget which site it's on, but there is another version of the demo, and he does virtually all the same things, except for the marines say a few different things. I don't have the link myself, but I recommend you find somebody who does so you can see how planned out the demo acctually was.

  • 07.11.2004 2:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: mjolnirV
I think that Covenant Ninja beleives that there was no old B.net, and that it was just 'convinient' for Nedus. He just hasnt been around long enough to remember the orangey brown warmth of the old bungie.net I suppose.


That is a lie, idiot. I know about the old Bungie.net, I just never joined the forums.

  • 07.11.2004 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: KFGrunt
nedus and ops agent 117...could you tone down the conversation about contrails a bit? if that's what interests you, fine, but i'm sure that there's a thread somewhere in the 300+ pages of this forum that allows you to talk about that in more detail.

btw, reply 'yes', if you want covenant ninja banned (even though he's probably pissed off to the nearest manicurist). Flaming/spamming REALLY annoys me.

So, kids, don't flame or, for that matter, spam: its not big, its not clever, its not FUNNY


Yeah, that's funny, KFgrunt. The moderators haven't given me one warning yet. And I don't spam, but I will flame on rare occasions if I get pissed off enough, I.E.: People constantly ranting about "Flash Bangs" and "Guass Guns" which I have already proven to not exist.

By the way, it kind of looks like you joined 4 days ago. I've had 2 other profiles, that's why it looks like I haven't been here awhile.

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  • 07.11.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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About demo. I think cortana says (in real version of level if there is gonna be) in that place where Chief is going to warthog these marines takse u to covies cruiser theen the Bruta attack then cortana says u have to take a vehicle and go by urself then when u go to subway the demo comes...

What u think?

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  • 07.11.2004 3:03 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: Covenant Ninja
Posted by: KFGrunt
nedus and ops agent 117...could you tone down the conversation about contrails a bit? if that's what interests you, fine, but i'm sure that there's a thread somewhere in the 300+ pages of this forum that allows you to talk about that in more detail.

btw, reply 'yes', if you want covenant ninja banned (even though he's probably pissed off to the nearest manicurist). Flaming/spamming REALLY annoys me.

So, kids, don't flame or, for that matter, spam: its not big, its not clever, its not FUNNY


Yeah, that's funny, KFgrunt. The moderators haven't given me one warning yet. And I don't spam, but I will flame on rare occasions if I get pissed off enough, I.E.: People constantly ranting about "Flash Bangs" and "Guass Guns" which I have already proven to not exist.

By the way, it kind of looks like you joined 4 days ago. I've had 2 other profiles, that's why it looks like I haven't been here awhile.



oh you have proven that they dont exist?? since when does your opinion contradict Bungie's official word??

  • 07.11.2004 3:37 PM PDT

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yeah Covie Ninja can you give solid proof that the gauss rifle doesnt exist?

[Edited on 7/11/2004 3:41:06 PM]

  • 07.11.2004 3:39 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: KFGrunt
i didn't mean it like that, nedus. its just that i started this thread for a particular topic, that's all. i didn't think you'd get annoyed like that. sorry. i wasn't questioning the fact that you've obviously been here longer than me, and i didn't think that i was being patronizing.


oh ok. i see =)

  • 07.11.2004 3:41 PM PDT
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Covenaut Ninja if you listen closely to the sound the gun on the worthog in the e3 2003 makes. Then listen to the sound the Rocket Launcher makes in the MP demo. They are two completely different sound. The Worthog in the e3 2003 demo has a Guass rifle on it.

  • 07.11.2004 3:45 PM PDT

SB-117

The level will hopefully be open ended and free to explore if you so wish but bungie said they wanted the given route of the level to be clear (like the marine saying "follow me") So I guess you could stray and defend the area in a different sector if you so wish but to continue you must follow the set route. Remember the second level in Halo when you get a warthog and you get onto the grass. Theres 3 zones to secure but you could also wander about the huge open areas as you wish but the nav points mark on the mission objectives? This is probably what Halo 2 wil be like.

The levels objectives will change for the final release although the actual level will probably look the same with graphical upgrades and chanegd areas here and there.

  • 07.11.2004 3:45 PM PDT

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no evidence Ninja?? hah thats what i thought.

  • 07.11.2004 3:52 PM PDT

SB-117

The only thing I can think of that shows the gauss cannon has been replaced with a rocket launcher is the fact that both have that strange firing sound as they are being launched. Listen to both firing and you'll see what I mean.

I think the gauss cannon seems alittle too powerful unless they weaken it for release. They totally destroyed those ghosts in one shot and the rate of fire and speed of the projection were extremely fast. So it may have been just for a demonstration or it could be toned down for release you never know....unless bungie confirmed it.

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  • 07.11.2004 3:59 PM PDT

-S

Time for throw down:

The E3 '03 video was in fact a real demonstration. If you want further evidence, look around for the bootleg version, you'll notice some differences.

Because it was brief demonstration, and Bungie prefers to tease rather than give everything away, the demonstration was choreographed for the sake of giving the large number of people going through the theater at E3 an experience that was generally the same for everyone. So, there's an extent to which each of the Bungie employees that played the demo did things the same way.

Now, to touch upon some of the things said in the first post in the thread. Use the word "open ended" with care. There's a number of things that could have been done but weren't. If the player wanted, they could have kicked the marine out of the hog (which had a coil gun, by the way, not a shotgun), and found their own path. Stuff like that.

What you have to remind yourself when you see an E3 demonstration, is that unless it's a publicly playable demo, there's a level of choreography that will permeate it. If it's a developer showing their game off, by playing as they watch, they are going to do certain things to show off features. A wounded marine gives the Chief an SMG to compliment the one he's already carrying to show off duel wielding. A Brute jumps onto the hog, and later the Chief steals a Ghost as it's being driven to show vehicle boarding. The Brute is there, in fact, to show that new monsters are in the game, even though they hadn't completed its AI yet. The melee combo used to take down the Brute that boarded the warthog was not meant to demonstrate that the Brutes are pansies, but to demonstrate that there are melee combos. The demo was more about showing these new features than giving people insight on a particular level from the game.

Oh, and to end THAT argument, the New Mombasa demo was taken from a much larger level in the game.

Lastly, if anyone EVER misses the Covenant mortar firing a blast into the nearby building, and then being blown up by the airstrike, take the bag off their head and have them watch it again. They simply weren't paying any attention to the demo. Had they been, they'd even know that the wounded marine is the one that calls the airstrike.

  • 07.11.2004 4:06 PM PDT
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heres an idea: let's just officially decide to disregard the 03 video. it was so -blam!- up and wrong. let's just agree, for sanities sake, that it was a demonstration of cool new things, very unfinished and totally unpolished, and that nothing from that video (for the most part) should be taken as fact, or used to extapolate new ideas/theories, cause anything extapolated from falsehood is going to be false, unless you screw up ( you know, like if you're doing a math problem the wrong way but you make a computation error that makes your answer right), all right? not meaning to offend anyone but hey, you know?
(oops, i didn't read shiska's post. iknow officially feel like a dumbass)

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  • 07.11.2004 4:09 PM PDT
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Of course that video was set-up.The final version will be entirely different.They just did that to show the different new features to the game

[Edited on 7/11/2004 4:27:11 PM]

  • 07.11.2004 4:26 PM PDT