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Subject: Halo: CE - Lost Touch?

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Posted by: chickenlittle

You get used to playing tactically in CE, making conscious decisions to maintain your health while doing the most damage ad outmaneuvering the other team. In Halo 3, all that gets tossed out the window like an ex's bowling trophy, and I get pwned because I try and use tactics.


Right - the f**k - on!
CE is exquisetly tactical. If you try to approach its multiplayer by runnin' and gunnin' à la Quake 3, you'll get your ass handed to you.

Halo 3's multiplayer is run n' gun. Tactics count for nothing. Neither the weapons balance, vehicle balance, nor the map environments lend themselves to tactical play. As someone else pointed out, H3 is designed for mass appeal, not for a hardcore audience who like sci-fi themed tactical FPS.

This also holds true for the campaign. Alsault on the control room: "Will I stay in the hog, take the tank, take the hidden banshee, take a ghost, or stay on foot?" so many variables in approaching the campaign. H2's campaign makes me puke and H3's campaign feels like its playing itself sometimes.

Others spoke about H2 and H3 diverging from the essence and spirit of CE and what it promised. I agree totally with this. Sometimes I imagine the series as ending with CE - no ring system, no brutes, buggers or prophets (and Jesus, they could have at least tried to characterise the prophets as even slightly sinister). Kind of like how fans of the batman films have erased the 3rd and 4th films from their memories.

  • 03.13.2009 10:49 AM PDT

I wouldn't say the series ended; More so, that we're still waiting for Halo 2 to come out.

  • 03.13.2009 9:29 PM PDT

Whippin' 'nades since aught-2

Yeah, Halo 2 Reimagined... something like that.

  • 03.14.2009 6:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Caragnafog dog
It's harder making the transition from CE to 3 IMHO


I have to disagree, the transition from Halo 3, if that's the first of the series you have picked up, to Halo CE is a far bigger "drop" and contributes to a lot of accidental snobbery "itz graffix don't look az good innit"

I haven't got any major issue with Halo 3, except for aspects of the community (MLG fanboy-ism and the BR snobs) its that I feel Halo 3, and in a lot of ways Halo 2, has detracted from what made Halo CE so awesome

It's very different, and I still love CE, but I think Halo 3 improved many things about the series. I'm just annoyed at everyone thinking CE is perfection >.>

Dear god, if it's possible to have inter-series fanboys, this thread is full to bursting with them. You guys are letting nostalgia get the better of you.

[Edited on 03.14.2009 11:09 AM PDT]

  • 03.14.2009 11:08 AM PDT

I never said it's perfect; far from it. I just think that Bungie is trying to head the opposite direction, and succeed, the farther in the series they go.

  • 03.14.2009 11:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
I never said it's perfect; far from it. I just think that Bungie is trying to head the opposite direction, and succeed, the farther in the series they go.
I wouldn't say in the opposite, but it sure is different.

  • 03.14.2009 11:10 AM PDT
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it appears you have fallen into a sarchasm...
its the gap between someone making a sarcastic comment, and you picking up on that sarcasm...

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP YOU FOOL!

  • 03.14.2009 11:43 AM PDT

Posted by: Dr Steve
WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP YOU FOOL!
That was terse.

  • 03.14.2009 4:54 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

After not playing Halo: CE for a very long time, I finally picked up Halo PC about two months ago. After playing some classic multiplayer, I jumped in the Campaign and I forgot how ****ing great it is. I was actually excited going through the levels and I have never been so pumped during a single-player experience before. After it was over, I had a video game orgasm. No, it has not and will never lose its touch.

  • 03.14.2009 5:41 PM PDT

I unfortunately agree with you. I used to love Halo CE and still do but there are way better games now. Gaming has increased in technology.

  • 03.14.2009 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caragnafog dog
Dear god, if it's possible to have inter-series fanboys, this thread is full to bursting with them. You guys are letting nostalgia get the better of you.


Nostalgia isn't making me say Halo CE is the best of the series, its Halo CE that is making me say it. Pound for pound its still me favourite FPS and will probably remain so for a long while yet.

Nostalgia may play a very small part but its certainly not the match winner, if you catch my drift

  • 03.16.2009 12:58 AM PDT

Wow. I was not intending to write this much. This started as just a response to another post, but it's really drifted away from that.

Halo: CE definitely lacked in polish. I think that most of its problems come from this, but I feel that the overall gameplay is better. The spawning kinda sucked, and the game had some annoying glitches. Admittedly, I'm a total Halo: CE fanboy, but other than those complaints, I wouldn't change the gameplay at all. There is just an excellent synergy that involves the physics, the weapons, the maps, and just the whole game.

I think nostalgia probably makes a contribution to my perspective, but I don't think it's that significant. I don't think nostalgia typically has a big impact on me. For example, I used to love Goldeneye on the N64, but going back to it, it's not very fun. The same could be said for a lot of old NES games. I think some games stand the test of time better, and I think Halo: CE is one of them.

I've played Halo: CE since the day it came out, but the way I've played it has changed quite a bit. Even up through the launch of Halo 2, I pretty much played exclusively slayer games (usually TS pro or Snipers). I usually had radar on, even on the occasional rocket games. It wasn't until probably 2006 that I really got into CTF and games without radar. At this point (4-5 years after launch), Halo: CE had a sort of new beginning for me. I may be over-dramatizing the idea of changing gametypes, but my point is that I wasn't overly attached to the old way of playing. I was willing to try something new, and I ended up liking it better.

We were able to play pretty consistently through the first half of 2007. After that, it was more difficult to get games together, because a good portion of my friends were older and had graduated. So, this wasn't that long ago. It's not as if I'm looking back on my childhood and remembering the Halo days; it's pretty recent.

I naturally purchased a 360 and waited for Halo 3. The summer before Halo 3's launch I tried to give Halo 2 a chance, and I found it pretty unplayable. So, I played Halo: CE when I could, and I continued to wait for Halo 3. I initially embraced Halo 3(and still play today). It was of course much better than Halo 2, but it still lost its appeal much more quickly. I thought this may have just been matchmaking, but custom games couldn't be setup to really play how I wanted them to play. The weapons aren't as good, and the maps are much worse. Equipment is kinda lame. The new grenades are aren't really that cool either. Dual-wielding is improved from Halo 2, but the game would still be better without it.

So, I am unimpressed by most of the new features, but yet it's missing features. There's the health system that automatically recharges. There's no fall damage, which makes the maps less interesting. Hang 'em High? Damnation? Prisoner? How fun would those be without fall damage. Tombstone, for example, was disappointing. Movement becomes much less calculated when it's removed. It's easier to run away from a fight that way too.

The BR is nerfed from the Halo 2 BR, which was already inferior to the M6D. In Halo 3, we've essentially lost the mid-to-long-range weapon. So, the sniper is left unmatched if it's at any significant range. To counter this, the maps then have to be less open, and map variety decreases. It is further decreased by the tendency to have ladders replaced with lifts and teleporters replaced with lifts and man cannons. They're not the same. The few teleporters that are around are broken. You can't telefrag, and you can't go through them backwards. You can't even block them with vehicles for very long, because vehicles automatically despawn.

The despawning is annoying, because vehicle control was quite significant in Halo: CE. You could horde vehicles if necessary. The other annoying thing about vehicles is that you can't carry the flag ( or other objective items) while driving them. One of my favorite threads came out of that discussion; now that I think about it, that may have been part of the reason why I joined Bungie.net. Anyway, Halo: CE allowed it, and Halo 2 had an option to allow it. The Halo 3 option simply doesn't work. I can see the advantage for playing the other way, but I can't really see the advantage for getting rid of the option; it makes it much easier to play on large maps with fewer people. This discovery was a pretty big disappointment for me.

There are other things that I don't like about CTF. If your flag is away and not being carried, there is always an indicator, and you always know when the enemy drops the flag. Which means, you can't silently switch flag carriers. The enemy knows when and where that occurred. I also don't like the lack of touch return. There's a flag return range? That makes no sense to me; it's not king of the hill. You also can't really throw the flag, and that reduces some strategies. Flag throwing mixed with auto-pickup allowed for some pretty cool strategic maneuvers in Halo: CE.

When it comes to the fun and longevity of a game, it's the little things that count. Halo: CE's successors are lacking in this area. John Howard said he was basically in charge of fun, and I think it shows.

[Edited on 03.16.2009 10:13 AM PDT]

  • 03.16.2009 1:03 AM PDT

*Raises glass to John Howard*

  • 03.16.2009 9:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Phenomenon IV
I unfortunately agree with you. I used to love Halo CE and still do but there are way better games now. Gaming has increased in technology.

Yay! Fenomenom 3! lmao
Plus, Halo: CE's graphics takes a while to get used to (Halo 3's graphics were really good and Halo: CE's were okay.)

  • 03.20.2009 1:27 PM PDT

Posted by: DomDaBomb1997
Plus, Halo: CE's graphics takes a while to get used to (Halo 3's graphics were really good and Halo: CE's were okay.)
I've never had a problem with the graphics. They're simple, but I don't really think they're bad. With simple textures and minimal effects, they're very clear.

  • 03.20.2009 9:13 PM PDT

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I didn't say they were bad, I just said that they don't compare well to Halo 3's and that takes a while to get used to.

  • 03.22.2009 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: DomDaBomb1997
I didn't say they were bad, I just said that they don't compare well to Halo 3's and that takes a while to get used to.


Well there is a rather large technical gap between the graphic engines,. Shaq Fu's graphics on the genesis (mega drive) doesn't compare to Tekken 6....on the 360......

I am sure if Halo CE was brand new and released on the 360 and in several years Halo 3 was relased on the 720 (for example) then we would be saying the same thing

  • 04.02.2009 12:10 PM PDT
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Giraffe, the Halo 2 BR was overpowered and so is Halo 3's. CE is the only game in the series that has handled a ridiculously overpowered weapon well.

[Edited on 04.02.2009 12:30 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2009 12:29 PM PDT

It's 8 years old. What do you expect.

  • 04.03.2009 8:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Mandalore Yautja
Giraffe, the Halo 2 BR was overpowered and so is Halo 3's. CE is the only game in the series that has handled a ridiculously overpowered weapon well.
The weapons are versatile. Mid-range is what they do best, but they can often do well outside of that. At close range they can often be beaten, and at long range they can often be beaten. I don't argue that Halo: CE had the best weapon balance, but I don't see how the how the Halo 2 and Halo 3 BRs are overpowered. Button combo glitches were overpowered in Halo 2, and they worked pretty well with the BR. The BR itself was a reasonably powered weapon. It's a nerf of the Halo: CE pistol, but it remains versatile.

There is no way the Halo 3 BR is overpowered. The weapons have become increasingly less versatile and they've also had a reduction in power. The weapon has a lost a great deal of the versatility of its predecessors. It's firmly a mid-range weapon now. However, mid-range is still where a lot of combat occurs. So, people still use it as their main weapon. There are few alternatives in mid-range weapons. The carbine is its main competitor, but most people find that more difficult to use. The actual power of the two weapons is quite comparable.

  • 04.03.2009 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
It's 8 years old. What do you expect.

Well, yeah, but it's still wierd to jump back on to it from Halo 3.

  • 04.03.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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Halo CE hasnt lost anything. It probably just feels like that because youre used to Halo 3 where you can pop it in and play countless games with the help of xbox live. I mean, a game is more fun when you have people to play with..

  • 04.04.2009 3:31 AM PDT

Hate is love's shadow.

YOU SUCK!!!!! *cries silently in corner*

  • 04.06.2009 2:15 PM PDT

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YOU SUCK!!!!! *cries silently in corner*

That's not nice... *Goes to cry too*

  • 04.07.2009 1:12 PM PDT

Bungie Pentathlon - who actually cares ?

Posted by: DomDaBomb1997
Posted by: RhythmKiller
It's 8 years old. What do you expect.

Well, yeah, but it's still wierd to jump back on to it from Halo 3.


Same as going from a 14 inch TV to a 52 inch HD ready 1080p Plasma TV to play Halo on(not meaning to brag) but what I am saying is that technology outstrips itself at an alarming rate.

Most tech, whether it be fridges, cars or even graphic engines are usually out of date within a few weeks of it being released into the market....there is always something bigger and better on the horizon (not saying Halo 3 is better)

[Edited on 04.07.2009 2:41 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2009 2:40 PM PDT

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