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Subject: Human Weapons - Are they Primitive
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Appart from MC's armour human weapons are pretty primitive for the time Halo is based. Todays weapons have some cool features that guns in Halo2 dont have. e.g. a gun called the OICW, can point out targets and has special bullet/grenades that are smart that can calibrate themselves to attack people behind cover etc. There is also the Landwarrior project that has alot of cool features, you would think marines would have some advanced kit by then, but they have weapons like the AR out of HALO 1.

Maybe Bungie has got some advanced new technologies for humans to use but it would be cool to have some kind of nice gun enhancements apart from a silencer. E.g target tracking for a sniper rifle or something. I think they should make a railgun a sniper rifle, or some kind of a support weapon of possible.

If you have any ideas for good gun ideas post them here.

Maybe im all wrong just had that so thought id post it.

I apologize if this post has been brought up before.

  • 07.12.2004 8:42 AM PDT
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They are primitive but they still work. I don't expect humans to have ray guns in the next hundred years. Look at what we thought the future was going to be like in the fifties. Exeryone thought we would have flying cars by now. And besides if Bungie gave the MC a smart bullet how fun do you think Halo 2 will be?

  • 07.12.2004 8:45 AM PDT
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i wanna use mortars in mp.

  • 07.12.2004 8:48 AM PDT
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Pez, his point wasn't that "they should have rail guns" only that they have weapons that are more advanced then Halo's today. Halo's weapons are very much 1980s.

Still though, sylistically I think it's a great idea. Giving the humans very primitive weapons enhances the idea that the Covenant are more advanced technologically.

  • 07.12.2004 8:49 AM PDT
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Still think a rail gun Sniper would be cool , btw u r right about human weapons working just thought marines would have some nicer stuff :( ... were like cannon fodder

If anyone can come up with good weapon ideas please post

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  • 07.12.2004 8:49 AM PDT
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The Sabot rounds of the Human sniper rifle are very advanced, the one thing in Halo that was an improvement over today's technology. They are normally used in Tank rounds and are meant for anti-armour.

The round is a rod of depleted uranium and exposive propellant hidden inside a tank round.

The tank round is fired and part way to the target the propellant inside the round explodes hurling the rod with even more force.

It's all the power of a two stage rocket slammed into space the size of a quarter.

  • 07.12.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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Two things...

One, does anyone remember what a matchlock rifle is? It was the single shot rifle that was used about 200 years ago. Back then they didn't even fathom the terms for weapons such as "fully automatic" or "armor piercing." Look how for our technology has come in a fairly short amount of time. Halo takes place 500 and some years from now, and the human weapons technology is the same as it is now (I am talking about guns, not ships.) Maybe even a downgrade. I don't think a Halo marine with a wimpy, un accurate gun (but it still is the coolest gun in the game.) AR could beat an army Ranger with a CAR 15 and with a grenade launcher attachment.

Two, ignore everything I just said because Halo is all about balance and gameplay, and I think it is perfect the way it is. The problem with these forums is that people talk about halo like it is real life. Check out that "Novel Inconsistencies Concerning Weapons Yield Calcs" thread if you want proof. Halo is a science fiction game. Who said it had to be accurate?

  • 07.12.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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Meh. I think the small arms in Halo get a bad rap sometimes. Though I do agree that in 500 years, we will probably surpass the weapons of Halo.

Most of them are comparable to the more powerful ballistic weapons of today. The 12.7 HEAP rounds from the M6D pistol are comparable to .50 AE rounds only with a tungsten core and explosive tip.

E.g target tracking for a sniper rifle or something. I think they should make a railgun a sniper rifle, or some kind of a support weapon of possible.
Did you see the weapon on the 'Hog that MC was firing in the E3 game demo. It looked alot like a railgun or a minimac.

  • 07.12.2004 8:56 AM PDT
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Still...you gotta admire a 1 megaton grenade...admire it...and then run...or fly away from it...

  • 07.12.2004 9:02 AM PDT
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I do agree that the weapons in Halo are really well balanced, but i also believe as some one has stated a marine in halo with a AR against some one with lets say some with a G11 (even though this gun is not officialy made, and the SMG out of Halo uses the same ammo as this gun Caseless) they would loose.

I also believe that in Halo2 some form of a mine will be available, dunna why, but think about you have mines to stop people invading or whatever, the covies are invading earth so mines would be nice touch.

Thanks for the replies so far

  • 07.12.2004 9:19 AM PDT
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Yeah, I designed a good document about what weaponry systems would be like in 50 years let alone 500 and trust me... it wouldn't make for a fun game.

  • 07.12.2004 9:20 AM PDT
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For the past 5000 years, humans have been stuck on ballistics, from the rock to the ICBM, they are in all essence, the same, something hurled from one place to another. In the past 500 years weapons made the huge leap of adding explosives to projectiles, but we still rely on ballistic delivery systems. Why should it be that 500 years from now they have to make huge advances? For close to 1000 years, the Western World saw almost no significant technological advances, so why couldn't it happen again? Plus, the gun had already been in use for 500 years, why no another 500? The sword existed as the primary infantry weapon for over 3000 years. It is entirely possible that we still be using guns. Nevertheless, it would be badass to have a rail gun.

  • 07.12.2004 9:24 AM PDT
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I understand what ur saying that if something aint broken dont fix it, but if you look and see some of the weapons currently in development it still does make you feel that some of the stuff the use does seem dated, might aswell have a guy with an AK and a couple nades and send him to do the dirty work against the covies

  • 07.12.2004 9:27 AM PDT
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I think an EMP grenade would be a good idea to knock out Elites shields or something

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  • 07.12.2004 9:30 AM PDT
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Okay, some people still think Halo should have more advanced weaponry.

This is a sampe of what you can expect from the military in fifty years, let alone five hundred.

Tell me if you would find something like this "fun."

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First you'd have to look at basic technologies that are in development today.
Caseless ammunition, nano-computing and laser targeting for example and start from there. Computing is a key component to warfare by then and every weapon and vehicle carries some form of computer, all networked together wirelessly as you will see.

Marine's would advance in standard formations, rarely varying their attack patterns so as to ensure that all firing arcs are always covered and that there is no gap in their defenses.

--The Helmet: Similar to the helmets worn by Apache Pilots the helmet would scan just like the rifle. It would have several different means of scanning (thermal, starlight etc.) allowing it to see through most smokes and in total darkness.

Better still it would communicate with the Mule(s) (next up) and receive the combined data from every overhead satellite and every helmet and weapon on the field. In this manner it could show targets under cover, behind walls and inside buildings superimposed over the soldier's vision. A color coding or icon system would likely indicate type of threat.

--An Assault rifle. The standard weapon of every marine. I'd imagine it as a variable fire rifle with scope, laser, optical camera and onboard computer with an Bio-metric security lock (checks your identity by quickly scanning your palm for fingerprints, skin conductivity and heart rate), IFF(Identify Friend or Foe).

The weapon would use cartridges much like Metal Storm technology's caseless electronic gun, allowing it to use different ammunition types on the fly. This technology also allows you to vary your rate of fire however you wish, from three round burst to fully automatic. (Super Armour Piercing bullets would be very inadequate against unarmoured flesh) (see Metal Storm.com for their new prototype)

The onboard computer would work to reveal your exact position by GPS (either by disposable satellite or from an orbitting starship) including a map via a 2 inch by 3 inch display atop the rifle(In case the helmet fails or is lost). The laser and optical camera would be very useful for target designation. Anytime the weapon swept an area it would note the position of friends and enemys and instantly transmit locations and troop types (recognized by the camera) to the command center. This gives unparallelled Command & Control to the generals.

At any time, an air strike could be called in by nearly anyone using the designator. Or say the entire group was locked under cover by a vehicle laying down fire against them. If, amazingly none of the marines could see through the rock by benefit of an overhead satellite then any of the marines could hold up their rifle from out of cover, find the target and transmit it's exact position to another member of his group who would fire his rocket straight up into the air without sticking his head out. The rocket would then slam down on the enemy.

--The Mule: A robotic pack horse with a low profile that moves along behind the marines. It's silent, camouflaged and as inobtrusive as possible. Carries food, medical supplies and extra ammunition leaving the marines unburdened and better fighters. Responds to voice command and most likely monitors the health of each marine. It could then either bring medecine to the injured groups or, drag the injured to safety or, if all else fails, sacrifice itself as mobile cover.

--Rocket Launcher: Generall similar to current rockets except with varying power, and able to shape charges on the fly. (Charge shaping concerns how the force is directed. It could be directed in a single line for piercing armour, fully spherical against large areas (like bases) and across the ground at knee high to incapacitate as many enemies as possible) The rockets would be fully maneuverable with multiple means of tracking and integrated into the combat network.

--Robotic Reconissance: Of course, unmanned robotic air vehicles no larger then your hand can sweep an area using it's nano computers and cameras to identify enemies.

  • 07.12.2004 9:36 AM PDT
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Energy weapons being greater than ballistic weapons is a sci-fi myth, as far as I'm concerned...an M6D pistol will kill someone just as well as a Star Trek phaser...of course, with the M6D, they don't mysteriously vanish...but still...

Warhammer 40,000 has some wicked ballistic weapons. So does David Webers' Honor Harrington novels. Of course both of those examples have much greater small arms than Halo.

  • 07.12.2004 9:49 AM PDT
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Absolutely right Constantine. Most beam weapons are useless in that the dissolutioin of the target provides protection against further damage. About the only hope for a futuristic weapon is Plasma but we lack the ability to power such devices in the field.

I'm more interesting in defensive abilities. With the invention of powered armour (The military has built their first successful such device) we can finally wear the armours, formerly too heavy, necessary match current projectiles.

  • 07.12.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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A game called Fallout and the fallout series has some interesting weapons systems and suits, it looks like to me that current weapons systems are heading in that direction

  • 07.12.2004 10:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sc0pe
A game called Fallout and the fallout series has some interesting weapons systems and suits, it looks like to me that current weapons systems are heading in that direction

Yeah, dude! Fallout has some of the most wicked power armor.

  • 07.12.2004 10:27 AM PDT

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umm how do we know that the pillar of automn just didnt have good equipment and this is th future where there are proabblyy so many gun laws. I bet we are gonna be in for a surprise when we get to earth i bet there are gonna be some sweet human weapons

  • 07.12.2004 10:28 AM PDT
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  • 07.12.2004 10:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: tex mex matt
umm how do we know that the pillar of automn just didnt have good equipment and this is th future where there are proabblyy so many gun laws. I bet we are gonna be in for a surprise when we get to earth i bet there are gonna be some sweet human weapons

You know, to follow up on that a little:

Their primitive weapons might make a little sense when you consider the fact that the UNSC has only had to put up with minor rebels and pirates until the Covenant came along. Though if you look at the progression of their weapons and technology since the Covenant started raping them, it has grown by unprecedented leaps and bounds.

  • 07.12.2004 10:34 AM PDT
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Fine there MIGHT be new awsome weapons but so far i havnt seen anything extra ordinary

  • 07.12.2004 10:36 AM PDT
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I know I am not following the subject everyone is talking about, but I have always wanted to see a grenade that you could time yourself. Push a button for 3-10 seconds before it explodes. It adds to the strategy of a game (or real life) so its like a grenade/timed mine.

  • 07.12.2004 10:42 AM PDT