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I am fundamentally against it. The guys I play with, and my self included, are snipers. Since most games are everyone verses me, it would be benificial if I knew where they were hiding, but it's not realistic. Screen watching is the equivilant of having nav points over everybody's head.
To all those who say you'll kill someone when they watch your screen, drop it. A good screen watcher will peak at your screen only to find out where you are. They will then use this knowledge to sneak up on you in a way you can't see them. It's like if you and I played a game, and you had a nav point over your head at all times. I guaran-damn-tee there isn't a person on this entire planet I couldn't beat if I had the advantage of a nav point over their head.

  • 05.07.2004 6:56 AM PDT
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Here are the rules that everyone should follow, and we'd all be happy.
Definition- Screen-looking is a valid strategy in the right circumstances. But it is also not acceptable at certain times. Let us explore.

-When it's acceptable
1)Team games, especially if your teammates never talk enough to help out.
2)Free for all when everyone is of fairly similar skill level and everyone has agreed on a screen-looking policy. (see below for details).
3)When any player engages in cheap activity (camping, spawn sniping, powerup hogging) ALL of other players may screen-look as much as they want. When said player whines about "that's not fair" smack him with your fist and remind him of his own policy "I'm not being cheap, I'm using battlefield advantage" as that's exactly what he/she would say in your shoes.

-When it's not acceptable
1)Anytime you're using it to unfairly get the jump on a less skilled player (n00b killing) or
2)Someone you KNOW does not have the ability to screen-look back. In those cases, you really are making yourself a weaker player and you'll also wind up losing friends very quickly.
3)When other players have specifically requested no screen-looking. If someone in your group bothers to ask, honor their wishes (so long as they stick to it too), and improve your ability to respond with no screen-looking so you'll be better next time you're at a system link and can't.

  • 05.07.2004 6:57 AM PDT
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Just so everyone knows, I'm a player who rarely screen watches except in team games or when there's no action in a game and things need to speed up (IE: rocket matches in Hang em High when mysteriously nobody's spotted anyone for too long and it's gettign a lil too quiet in the room). I play with a guy who's a tournament level player that has the ability to (but rarely does) abuse every trick in the book. Spawn sniping, camping, he'll do it all to get ahead- unless you ask for otherwise. Because our whole group works to make sure everyone's having fun and if someoen doesnt' want to screenlook then nobody does. If someone yells at him for abusing a certain trick he'll stop and play to everyone's tastes.

I myself am very good at screen-looking, but if I'm playing with new players, or in a game that would be more fun not looking, or we've agreed not to, I don't. It's perfectly possible for a screen-look master to just not do it- I've seen it happen- so dont' let anyone tell you "that's what they're used to".

The rules in my last post are what we use to get along, and in dozens of system link games I've never had a problem.

  • 05.07.2004 7:05 AM PDT
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Gentlemen, you could just play on XBC and avoid the possibility of screen cheating all together. Unfortunately some screen cheating is inevitable when everyone is playing on one tv on one box. When you play online you will become a far superior player then you will by screen cheating your friends to death. Oh yeah, throwing a grenade down a hall that you see you friend is running down via screen cheating is homo-blam!- like Elton John.

  • 05.07.2004 7:16 AM PDT
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To me this whole topic is highly debateable. Just like poker a lot of people have tells. My one friend used to act very frustrated that he couldn't find me, then once i would stop running to scan over the map i'd get meleed in the back of the head by him. Sometimes he'd get very quiet before launching a rocket at a doorway i was about to emerge from. And i started to adapt based on his behavior while playing seperate TVs occassionally throwing grenades down hallways that i wasn't planning on using or into rooms that i would be going into. I got used to turning around to check my 6 more often. But as it is now, i'm able to read him pretty well, so do i catch him in his sneaky tricks before they happen more often because i can read him ? Or because i'm more aware now?

My general thought on the matter is. If we're playing 4-16 player team games thru system link games, there's no definate advatage to screen watching your own allies, there's also no real way to prove it. And if you claim you only lost because the other team was doing it... i'm not sorry to say but that's a boatload of a bad excuse. If it's a free for all gametype and you have enough time to make accusations about screen watching you're not focused on the game at hand which could easily explain your decrease in performance.

If it's everyone's playing on the same screen and it's such an issue, buy a couple link cabels and tell your friends to bring their boxes when they come over to play, and you're problem is solved. This isn't an issue that needs debating because if it becomes an issue you can simpley pay a little more to guarantee that your compititions eyes don't wander. If you're not willing to pay the few extra bucks then i hardly doubt you're making the noise for a legitamate reason other than "I only lost because he decided to use a tactic that was easily available to me as well, but i chose not to use it because of a strict moral code of ettiquette that i abide by"

  • 05.07.2004 8:45 AM PDT
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It's not about if it's cheating or not, It's there, everyone has the same advantage/disadvantage. The only difference is that when you play against other teams through live or xb connect, The people who can use the other players screen to locate opponents or to spot a teammate in need will have a great advantage. Also, I noticed that the only people who complain about it, Are the people who can never seem to win.

  • 05.07.2004 8:53 AM PDT
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To be honest, I look but i can't help it either... I don't need it but it's one of these things i dont need.... I still rule o system link

  • 05.07.2004 9:03 AM PDT
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Solution SYSTEM LINK ya Monkeys!!!!!

  • 05.07.2004 9:23 AM PDT
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Most of the time I screen watch subconsciously and it makes a real difference playing system link games. Its also really quite scary not knowing where a player of around the same skill level as you, this means you learn to read peoples expressions and reactions to see what they are doing. Normally if they are about to melee you in the back or get a nice headshot, they sit up in their seat and tense up. You have to watch for stuff like that.

  • 05.07.2004 9:41 AM PDT
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i used to have serious issues with people who screen looked. after all, who enjoys playing a game when every time you step into a teleporter you have a rocket in your face? i have finally come to the conclusion that it is unavoidable. even if you actively keep your eyes glued to your half/quarter of the screen, there's this thing called peripheral vision. the little bit of information i can gather through that is enough to give me an edge. so am i supposed to put blinders on like a horse? and what about sounds? after all, if you can hear the other guy pick up a weapon/powerup, isn't that the same as screen looking? you're determining the enemies position through a means that isn't supposed to be available to you. what could it be called, sound listening, or something? so, while i don't condone actively doing it, i also can't fault someone for doing it. because i do it, albeit inadvertantly, and on a lesser scale than others. anyone who says they do not take advantage from it at all, is full of monkey spunk. it is unavoidable. unless you suffer from some serious tunnel vision.

  • 05.07.2004 10:01 AM PDT
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My group has one serious Screen Spotter that drives us insane while the rest of us proudly avoid it (Well, one other I have doubts about.)

One of those fiercely proud of Sceen Spotting has a tactic almost as cheap- He listens for other people's sound queues. For example, I once had him pinned in a hole and popped the pin on my frag grenade. At forty meters he heard the pop and came out running... at forty meters? That's some awesome ears.

Another example is throwing a grenade down a corridor. If you toss it down there and it sounds *LOUD* then someone must be down there, you're hearing his sound queue.

  • 05.07.2004 10:51 AM PDT
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Everyone does it, dont let them fool you! Especially on 24" tv's.

  • 05.07.2004 10:58 AM PDT

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