- last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT
Edit: Don't worry Sheila, he hasnt got 1/10 th the info your have :/
I don't mean to compete in the amount of info that I have, but I realize it may be pretty hard to see, for somebody that jus got here, so here's a revised version of pretty much everything that I have. (This is all conlomerated from different posts, into one large one.)
In Halo, the last level, Called, "The Maw," You get to the bridge, and what do you know, 343 Guilty Spark, is pulling information from Human, databases. He is looking at the "Pillar of Autumn's" computers. And he says this. "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." 343 Guilty Spark Said that he just got a record of all of his lost time... "Human History is it?" Human, History. There you go. We, are the forerunner.
1. 343 Guilty Spark said hat he was built by the Forerunners (In the books). Now, when 343 Guilty Spark referred to his lost time, how could it mean anything other than the forerunners? It doesn't that is what he meant.
2. Then, since 343 Guilty spark referred to that lost time, as human history, how could that not mean humans are forerunners...
3. Thirdly, if a long time ago, the forerunners (Now known as humans) were alive, and they built the Halo's. And when the Halo's were activated, and wiped out most of the forerunners, wouldn't that make for millions of years of, "Lost Time?" Hmmmmm..... The humans, are just a patch filling in for the forerunners, The Humans of NOW may not have built the Halo's, but they did build them a long time ago.
I don't want to get too in depth and start contradicting my insight that this is only a game and the plots don't go that far in, but Zuka Zammamee, when talking to the prophets on one occasion, said something about his armor, and the shields and those things, coming directly from the forerunners. They were having a conversation about the shields that Master Chief has, and speculating weather or not it was better than the Jackal's wrist shield. He sounded concerned about the human shields being better. And asked something to the affect of: "Didn't the Forerunner themselves give us this armor and technology?" To the best of my knowledge and memory (Which is extremely good, I read this book about a year ago.) there was no substantial reply to what Zuka inquired. Meaning that they may not have given the Covenant those supplies, and maybe the prophets are using this war for their own advantage...
Now, Eagle117 your question went something along the lines of why did they create a weapon for their own demise. I really don't know why they would do that. Hmm, But here's something, that doesn't prove either way that humans are not forerunners. All that does is prove that we/them have made a stupid invention.
And As for your other idea, if it were fired all sentient life would be destroyed. Okay.... How many years ago was it destroyed? 100,000 years right? Hate to use other people's arguments, but who's system? Earths? Ours? The Covie system? Or the previous more advanced form of humans (i.e. Forerunners.) Which would be very important to recognize, as 343 would only assume his (More his Creators) solar system, he wouldn't automatically assume somebody else’s. And even so 343 acts like he knows the Chief. Do you remember anything from the book? How about The library level. How about that marine. Staff Sergeant Mobuto. Marvin, Mobuto.
"Ah," 343 Guilty Spark said, peering down over the Spartan's shoulder. "The other Reclaimer. His combat skin proved even less suitable than yours."
The soldier looked up over his shoulder. "What do you mean?"
"Is this a test, Reclaimer?" the Monitor seemed genuinely puzzled. "I found him wandering through a structure on the other side of the ring, and brought him to the same point where you started." Page 244 (Bottom paragraphs, word for word.)
That guy. You forget about him? I hope not, I hope nobody would forget about him, because that guy, is a real man. But more to the point. He called him the other Reclaimer. And note, "Reclaimer" is capitalized... That's right, meaning, he isn't just ANY reclaimer, he's the Reclaimer. Human. Not just the Spartans. It isn't just Master Chief that he thinks is the Reclaimer. He is calling human's Reclaimers. Now believe me when I tell you, I am trembling right now, I JUST found that. I feel like saving this on a word doc with the rest of my proof then putting it on the speculation thread. Humans. 343 Calling human's reclaimers.
OH OH and Lastly before I forget. The Forerunner didn't give the armor and weapons and stuff to the covenant (Further proving my point) because in the game and books, 343 says "The other species." While referring to the covenant. And if 343 Doesn’t know who the covenant are, then the forerunner obviously never really made any transactions such as those, and that would conclude that the Covenant are not in contact with the forerunner, placing the forerunner in the spot that the forerunner should be in. (Non-associated with the covenant.)
Check this out.
"Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done?" 343 Guilty Spark Demanded.
What YOU have already done. Humans. Possibly. And That proves that there was AT LEAST, a human looking figure on Halo before. Now then take into consideration he call ALL humans Reclaimer. So he was very possibly saying, (Rewritten in my own words what he could in fact have been saying.) "Why would you hesitate to do what your people have done before?"
That's not it.
"If you are unwilling to help--I will simply find another," Spark said conversationally.
Doesn't a "Reclaimer" need to activate the installation? "...I will simply find another." He is referring to the human race as the Reclaimer.
That's still not all.
What type of gravitation system do the covenant have? They have mysterious forms that just automatically attract you to the floor, now UNSC and Human artificial gravity is created how? (Remember in the boxing ring where Chief Really screwed up those four O.D.S.T.'s. It's call Centrifugal force. What type of artificial gravity does the halo have? You don't even need the book to know this one, it's a "ring" world. Obviously sense it is spinning there's it's gravitational poll. But if you're going to get cranky I'll give you the fricking book example.
"Captain," Cortana said, "the object is clearly artificial. There's a gravity field that controls the ring's spin and keeps the atmosphere inside."
That type of Artificial Gravity is Human based. Oh and would you like more about its gravity?
"But it appears that the ring has an oxygen-nitrogen based atmosphere an earth normal gravity."
Now I don't know if you caught all of that but its got earth normal gravity, and the atmosphere is perfect human living conditions, complete with perfect air, nice gravity, and weather conditions such as sun, snow, rain, etc... Wouldn't you think, that whoever built the Halo's, would build them to their own liking? Yes, I would think that and so would you. This is exactly as a human planet should be. The G-Forces not too extreme, and the air is perfect and breathable.
Now, lets go over everything, that I've said.
1. He is referring to the human race as Reclaimer. Not just Master Chief, and the forerunner activated it before, 343 says this, he says, that we've done this before. He was referring to the Forerunner, but we are human, he didn't know we call ourselves human. But never-the-less, he says we're Forerunner. (Inadvertently, in fact, does he ever do anything advertently?) Now to number two.
2. Earth Normal Gravity, and Oxygen-Nitrogen based air. Why would this be? Maybe because the builders of the halo wanted to survive on their own creation, so they would obviously build something to their liking. Even further proof that Humans built the ring.
3. The gravity system is human based. It is a human model of artificial gravity.
4. He said he had considerable time to ponder the question, does "Considerable time" sound like 100,000 years? I think it does. (Note: This does not mean an MC look alike, he refer's to all humans as Reclaimer.)
5. He said "Last time you asked me..." "...And I still say yes." 343 has talked to human life forms before. On Halo. And you know what? There is way more than just sufficient proof here. Please understand this time. It seems like every time I post one of these there is plenty of evidence but you guys try to flame it and forget about what I said, and how much sense it makes.
Like it? Tell me what you think.