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Subject: Weekly What's Update
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I need you to answer this question. Will I get banned for having a bad connection? When I play, it often lags out, and goes to a blue screen. It just so happens that I get the kill before they do. And it also, from what they have told me, is it just starts lagging sometimes, and I'm killing them. I am against cheating just as much as everyone else. Can you please answer this question for me?

  • 04.30.2005 10:58 AM PDT
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Yeah, great -blam!- job. You took out all the good combos in some maps, and then with the damage changes you made to some weapons like the pistol, which i would never pick up again some levels have now been ruined on matchmaking. And you morons ruined all costum games with your damned patch. For me there are other games, but you retards just lost 75% of all players. Good job ruining a good game.

  • 04.30.2005 10:58 AM PDT
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...he spelled remarkably wrong!!! And no radar in head to head? I'm gunna have to be even more paranoid now!

  • 04.30.2005 11:45 AM PDT
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Please repair the wwu.

  • 04.30.2005 11:54 AM PDT
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Nova. You are obviously a -blam!-go†

  • 04.30.2005 12:05 PM PDT
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I'm just writting to show off my new avatar

  • 04.30.2005 12:13 PM PDT
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I'm just writting this to show off my new avatar

  • 04.30.2005 12:14 PM PDT
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THANK YOU BUNGIE!!!!! for terminating a stand-by user that i've been complaining about.....although it took almost a month to happen i'm thankful that it did and it has renewed my confidence that you actually care about the people that play this game and want everyone to have an enjoyable experience while playing.....also thank you ahead of time for eliminating the plasma pistol-br combo that everyone and their grandma uses. it totally screws up my kill to death ratio. now maybe without all the cheating and that combo we'll find out who the players with real skill are.

  • 04.30.2005 12:18 PM PDT
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also i love the new patch. now its more like the first halo wich i also loved. one complaint though.....about three months ago you said there wouldn't be any re-occurance of maps from halo 1 because the technology in the game has gotten alot more advanced. BUT warlock is exactly like wizard only with some tweeks to the texture mapping and the removal of the ladders....although i loved this level in the first one because it's great for a rockets match i feel kind of ripped off when you said "new map" and its not really a new map at all.

  • 04.30.2005 12:28 PM PDT
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interesting, although i would like one thing asked....is the other guy stand bying if i shoot him in the head 3 times and he doesn't die when i snipe him? or is it just lag? anyway, nice update. although i kind of liked the banshee in headlong, but hey, atleast it's not on ascension anymore. and quick question, in team slayer, is the banshee off in ascension too?

and could you show me an elite driving a warthog like a drunk idiot in halo 2 in campain? (excluding arbiter ofcourse)

  • 04.30.2005 12:33 PM PDT
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I got to say that it sounds like a sweet update. Taking the PP/ BR combo out of beaver and collosus is a nice idea. which means that people can still use it in Ivory tower, Coagulation, Burial mounds But in all those maps that i mentioned its really hard to set your whole team with PP/BR combo. Personally I do Use the DAMM combo because it gets you easy kills. And I think that the combo is not all that , The REAL Problem is when u have to face a whole team equiped with the Combo like it is possible in Collosus and Beaver Creek. I really dont mind seeing somebody use the combo but I really dislike when they whore on the combo and the beam rifle on collosus . if you are playing against a good team you dont stand a chance to even take the sniper from them. I think the change will add a lot more strategy to the game. Thx bungie.

  • 04.30.2005 12:35 PM PDT
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Not sure why it will not let me read the link. But Im sure that it is great.

  • 04.30.2005 12:56 PM PDT
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Unfortunately I can't read the update for this week. It gives me an error message.

Posted by: pompey100886
Finally getting rid of that damn plasma pistol and battle rifle combo it just makes the game boring, tiresome and a waste of everyones time. thanks also does anyone else think that the charged up plasma pistol taking off a whole overshield a little pointless and kinds of ruins the point of the overshield?


I don't think they should get rid of the Plasma Pistol Battle Rifle combo. I think the Overcharged PP should be able to eliminate a normal shield but should NOT entirely drain an Overshield. That's the change I'd want to see. The OC PP shot moves pretty slowly and at medium range you can avoid it. Not so much at close range though. Since Overshield is a power up and is limited in time and as to where you can get it, it shouldn't be easily defeated.

Since I can't

  • 04.30.2005 1:13 PM PDT
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WHY CANT I LOOK AT THE WWU!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  • 04.30.2005 1:26 PM PDT
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why cant i see the update????????????????????????

  • 04.30.2005 1:33 PM PDT
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i think this is just retarded if you take first the magnum then you just get the combo off wat other weapons do you use. rocket oooo they call you a rocket hor then if u snipe o get out to the fight and beat them

I QUIT HALO ITS JUST RETARDED NOW THEY JUST SCREWED UP THE BEST GAME IN THE WORLD HECK WITH THIS GO BUY SOME OTHER GAME AND PLAY THAT

  • 04.30.2005 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: amazedsatsuma
No more Plasma Pistol / Battle Rifle ownage in Slayer games on Beaver Creek or Colossus - we now use Human weapon sets for Slayer variants on those two maps. This will be controversial and we understand there is some small skill required to use the combo, but frankly it has become tiresome on those maps. It takes far more skill to win without that combo. More skill = more fun, right?

Boy do I agree to that, What guys you can't hit me more then once with a Battle riffle?



Removing the combo on Beaver Creek is OK, although, it really makes BR really far less efficient than dual weilding.

Removing it from Collossus doesn't make that much sense since the *single* beam rifle was the most abused weapon. I really hate the following:

"No more Plasma Pistol / Battle Rifle ownage in Slayer games on Beaver Creek or Colossus - we now use Human weapon sets for Slayer variants on those two maps. This will be controversial and we understand there is some small skill required to use the combo, but frankly it has become tiresome on those maps. It takes far more skill to win without that combo. More skill = more fun, right?"

human Weapon sets? Why remove the beam rifle? In Colossus they should have added a human sniper rifle to balance out the beam rifle. Using the Human weapon sets just really kills a lot of the variety. I like maps where you have access to both sets of weapons. The Burial Mounds map is one of the worst ones around, but I like it simply due to the wide variety of weapons. I like the wide variety of weapons on Containment. I wish there were a beam rifle on Coagulation. The Rocket Launcher and the sword on small maps are more abusive than the PP/BR combo on larger ones. At least with the PP/BR combo you need to switch weapons since they can't be dual wielded.

  • 04.30.2005 1:38 PM PDT
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Hey Frankie i wonder what would Mister Chief look like with a body of a hunter??

  • 04.30.2005 1:48 PM PDT
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i just have a question about the new maps--
weren't you supposed to be able to get on the rooftops in Turf?

And I seem to remember you were supposed to be able to get up into the aqueducts "if you have jumping skills"

I have tried everything I can think of from rocket and grenade jumping to sword flying on those two maps, and all I seem to get is the invisible walls. Anybody else have any luck?

  • 04.30.2005 1:49 PM PDT
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Thank You, Bungie. From the bottom of my heart, for objective-based Halo 2 games. I just discovered how much fun they are.

Let me tell you my INCREDIBLE :) Story.

Eight on Eight custom game on Containment. Im on the blue side. I tell my teammates to guard the base while I go for their flag. I take a left and go through the tunnel. It opens up on my right side after a time and reds and there, not far away, I see reds tank patrolling the center. I crouch down and weave my way through the boulders, and make it to the next tunnel. OH NO! Theres a guy! I jump up and toss a grenade. Not enough to kill, but a few rounds of the SMG finish him off.

I continue making my way up the steep slope of the tunnel. After a time (I'm still learning this new map) I come up to the opening of their base. Theres two dudes standing there looking out from the ledge, so I crouch down behind the little center dealie and watch them. Two seconds later they both jump off the edge. SWEETNESS! So I make my way to the back of the base, and grab the flag. SUDDENLY one of them who was hiding inside the base somewhere starts shooting at me, but my jump-walking gets me far enough away from him so that I suddenly hear him say "He went through the teleporter!". FOOLS! Flag in hand, I'm jumping, leaping, bounding, up the slope of the cave. It's just me, and myself. No cover, no teammates.

So I'm at the end of one of these tunnels. It opens up near where the launcher and rocket ammo are. Running up the bridge, rockets in hand, is one of the red team. HOLY CRAP! He fires one off the rail, I jump up, barely making it through alive. I mean, I "FELT" the rocket whizz past my head. I drop the flag and whip out my SMG and begin to fire after wiping the blood from my ear. God please let my next jump time properly with his next rocket. SUCCESS! I'm flying through the air, SMG a'blazin, and before he even has time to reload his launcher, he collapses to the ground. NICENESS! I re-grab the flag and rush towards my base.

And one of my teammates, during the next round, took their flag back to our base, but not quite as easily as I did during round one. It was wicked funny cuz he was like "That score was the -blam!-!" and tossed me the flag so I could score it again. It made me weep.

It was shweet.

So yeah, I'm totally sucked into the objective based games now, and hope to get alot better at it. If anyone wants to play, msg me "Mystakool" and we'll get something going.

I've got all 4 new maps. And also it would be nice to play with some older players, cuz I'm 25 and keep getting matched up with 12 year olds.

Here's 3 reasons why it sucks to play with younger kids :

1. Their voices. Oh My GOD. When you've got a headset that sticks into your ear, their little pre-pubescent Mickey-Mouse helium voices just pierce right through my brain. OWWWW!

2. Their VOICES. In addition to just the SOUND and pitch of their voices, they feel the need to constantly YELL and SCREAM and in general NEVER SHUT UP, and that in combination with the former, well...you get the idea.

3. They have NO responsibilities and all the free time in the world to play the game. It SUCKS getting Pwned by a 12 year old girl. Can I get an AMEN!?!

So yeah, send me a thingie and well do it up.

  • 04.30.2005 1:49 PM PDT
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If you want to screw around like that do it in Training games or better yet in Custom games. If you want to make another teams day, agree not to use ANY of the power weapons - no sniper, swords, rockets or ghosts on large to medium maps and on smaller ones don't use shotguns.

No that would make you rely on skill and give the other team a major edge without resorting to some loser tactic like committing suicide. Most people are in matchmaking for the enjoyment of some honest competition, not to win under any circumstance. If you commit suicide after every kill you're cheating them out of the satisfaction of killing you themselves and winning fairly. By limiting yourself to the less powerful weapon you are handicapping yourself in a legal manner and if you win it will be due to truely superior skill.

  • 04.30.2005 1:49 PM PDT
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Oh Yeah dude! Send me a friend request at MYSTAKOOL. We do glitching all the time. Don't worry, Bungie, it's nothing serious.

But yeah, we get on top of Turf and Skanktuary. I mean, after you've been up there a dozen times, it gets old...

And besides, none of those skills can really be applied to the matchmaking. It's just not feasible. although I'd like to join a clan or a team that really knows how to do glitches well and applies them to ranked games.

  • 04.30.2005 1:53 PM PDT
Subject: Taking out PP/BR is *terrible* for this game.
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One of the worst things Bungie could have done to the feel of this game's multiplayer is to remove the BR/PP from Colossus and Beaver Creek. It is a case of blatantly catering to noobs, and it will subtract a lot from the higher levels of gameplay.

BR/PP gets alot of heat for being strong and easy. Yep, it's both of those things; but then again, so is the RL or Sniper. Any map has a limited number of focal points and dominant strategies; another will replace the BR/PP. Using human weaponsets just limits the variety and depth of possible tactics on those levels. Remember, this is also going to do away with PR/SMG too.

Now that I think about it, what most people seem to think "balance" means is effective sameness of all the weapons, where one player can't get an upper hand. That's ridiculous; who wants to play an FPS where all the weapons are interchangable? What's next, banning the overshield because it gives one player an advantage? Oh, invisibility definately has to go. And that bloody sword too!

As for the BR/PP requiring too little skill; what about the skill required to get it and keep it, and other strategies beyond just the kill? Denying the combo to an opponent at spawn can take some skill. Keeping a good circuit together to stay reloaded and in good position takes skill. I've had many good games that hinged on the PP/BR "mini-game" so to speak. In fact, how you play when the opponent has that combo is a huge indicator of a players real skills, I bet.

The "majority" that seems to like these changes seems to be primarilly young with very little experiance playing other FPS games. This game should not be dumbed down because a group of players, even if a large, cannot grasp anything beyond "point and shoot and maybe look at radar."

This isn't going to improve competition, or remove repitiveness; it's only going to make it tedious, since hey, all the weapons are so much more alike and less effective now. A good facet of the game, even if more abstract than most players seem able to follow, is gone now.

Seesh. This kinda crap is why people will never accept FPS on the console.

  • 04.30.2005 1:57 PM PDT
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The work that Bungie does is great, and I understand the long days you must put in reading all this crap. With that said, and out of the way...

Grenades
Grenades are a nice touch; I like the splash damage on them better. But I did find a noticeable glitch!
-With any explosion, the enersha of the force goes through all the players. Hence what I'm getting at is...EX: If my buddy and I are running in line formation (one behind the other) and he gets a sticky to the face. Shouldn’t the greater of the damage go to him, since his body was in the way of the force? It rarely happens (1 out of 50) but it's still annoying. Think about it...if someone launches a rocket and I take cover behind a wall. The wall stops the damage. Shouldn't a player do the same thing?

-Next on the grenades. Once again good idea with pumping up the splash damage; but I would also like to see grenades blowing up other grenades. Ex: If I throw a grenade into a pile of grenades on the ground (like the remains of a dead player), I expect those grenades to blow up in chain reaction (like in Halo 1). You already started it with the explosive cores in most maps, might as well finish it.


PLASMA PISTOL
Let me start by saying that the combo (Battle Rifle/Plasma Pistol) is a legit weapon. If you newbie’s can't take it, then go to a F@#$ING custom and figure out a way to counter it! That is what we advanced players do. We practice. Say if with me practice. I'm sure if you and your team worked on helping each other out instead of wasting your time in the forums complaining; you might not care about the combo at all.

But if it came down to remaking the plasma pistol I would suggest the following:
1. If a player is running around with charged up plasma pistol have it blowup. It would make a great concept, think about it. If a player was running around the map with a charged plasma pistol, you would think that if would over heat and explode. This update would allow a player to use the combo, but discreetly; he would have to wait to see someone before charging his pistol.

2. If someone uses the combo, have the delay time between those two weapons increase. This would give the other player time to take cover or get a grenade off at least.

3. If someone uses the over charge on the plasma make the ammo count bigger. Right now I think that it's 11 cells for one charge; double it.

Now for the update

HEAD TO HEAD
In short "Head to Head" is what it means head to head. Adding oddball and King of the Hill was a poor decision, and a desperate attempt to make Head to Head more attractive (sorry Bungie but it is the truth).
If in a head to head game the match turns out to be KOTH or OB; you can bet people will be doing what they do with SWORDS. For those of you that don't know; most people that get stuck in a head to head with swords call a truth (not to kill each other). They just hangout in the map telling jokes.
As far as the no radar (AKA -blam!-dar) I don’t care. It will make the game more interesting and annoying. I would rather see it as a game variant. Just to shake up things now and then. Because on some maps you would never find each other (Mid Ship for example)

HEADLONG
Sorry you messed up again. Think about it...you got rid of "Sudden Death" so why make it worse by getting rid of the Banshee? It doesn't make since. If people are complaining about players flying to parts of the map, to snipe. Then maybe they should pull their heads out of their A@# and keep and eye on their vehicles. The banshee is something that Halo 1 players have waited for years to see; I still remembers beating Halo 1 on Legendary, just because someone said that it would unlock the banshee in multiplayer.

SUDDEN DEALTH
I was sick of people milking SD (Sudden Death) to get a desperate win. I was one of those people that got stuck in a 30min sudden death. But my main concern is what will happen if a player is running the flag home and the counter runs out? Answer that!

STARTING WITH BATTLE RIFLES
This is going to make the game really sick if Bungie doesn’t get the spawn points just right.

TEAM PHAMTOMS
Thank you; LORD my prayers have been answered.

Questions
What are you going to do about games where a team leaves except for one player and he just decides to hide for the next 12 MIN.? There have been many times where I’ve found myself going to a head to head on Coag, because his team left him and my team left out of boredom.

I understand that you at Bungie test these games for hours, but you will never find all the glitches that we find. Wouldn’t it be easier to make it available to us? We would test your games for free. Just make them downloadable vie the internet; so we cam burn them to CD, and transfer them to our Xbox. Just think of all the time you would have, because you’re not going to find half the stuff that we find. Like the supper jump on Zanzibar; don’t tell me you saw that one coming; )

Please message me your comments I would like to know that Bungie and other player are taking this matter seriously and not just blowing off steem.


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  • 04.30.2005 1:57 PM PDT
Subject: Weekly What's Update
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nvm its right there


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  • 04.30.2005 2:16 PM PDT