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Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary. That being said, the way the trust system works, it is not trivial to remove the historical entry of the ban. I justify it by pointing out that most accidental bans are the result of you being very near to someone else who got banned, and the moderator deciding you were collateral damage.

At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.
Good news Achronos, the current title system is a little too relative to the length of time on the site and lack of bans meaning a lot of new members hardly ever attain a title. A system that is more expansive and not just related to trust should make the system more effective by including a broader range of users.

-edited in quote because original post was on previous forum page-

[Edited on 04.13.2009 2:36 PM PDT]

  • 04.13.2009 2:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.


This excites me.
Will anything new come to the group ratings system.

  • 04.13.2009 2:37 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: TOM T 117
the current title system is a little too relative to the length of time on the site and lack of bans meaning a lot of new members hardly ever attain a title.
Not true on the length-of-time bit. My join date is 9/25/2007 and I go between Heroic and Legendary.

  • 04.13.2009 2:50 PM PDT

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Trust does not reflect intelligent posting.

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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Trust does not reflect intelligent posting.

If your posts are informative and helpful, it reflects your trust.

  • 04.13.2009 2:55 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
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Posted by: Old Skool Rob
Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Trust does not reflect intelligent posting.

If your posts are informative and helpful, it reflects your trust.
A condition that does not always hold true. Many intelligent posts can break away from the rules and still remain perfectly intelligent. Posting about religion or politics violates the rules, resulting in distrust.

  • 04.13.2009 2:57 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Posted by: Old Skool Rob
Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Trust does not reflect intelligent posting.

If your posts are informative and helpful, it reflects your trust.
A condition that does not always hold true. Many intelligent posts can break away from the rules and still remain perfectly intelligent. Posting about religion or politics violates the rules, resulting in distrust.
Yes, following the rules that you agreed to should be a given for increasing your trust rating, regardless of whatever supposed intellectual value your rule-breaking posts may have.

  • 04.13.2009 3:06 PM PDT

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As posting about religion or politics is against the rules for a very good reason, the fact that you would post such a thing suggest you cannot be trusted to follow the rules, indicating that the trust system does exactly what it is supposed to do.

The trust system is a measurement of how likely it is that you follow the rules, not about the quality of your post... although the two often go hand in hand.

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
If your posts are informative and helpful, it reflects your trust.[/quote]A condition that does not always hold true. Many intelligent posts can break away from the rules and still remain perfectly intelligent. Posting about religion or politics violates the rules, resulting in distrust.

  • 04.13.2009 3:08 PM PDT

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It'd be nice, but I don't think that a user's member title is really important enough for the web team to bother. There's definitely more important things for them to be doing.

  • 04.13.2009 3:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: TOM T 117
the current title system is a little too relative to the length of time on the site and lack of bans meaning a lot of new members hardly ever attain a title.
Not true on the length-of-time bit. My join date is 9/25/2007 and I go between Heroic and Legendary.
That is well over a year. Users in their first 9 months are lucky to attain Honorable Member especially considering most are banned at least once.

I am pulling statistics out of my ass because I obviously don't have access to any but speaking generally it would be nicer to have a system that can include newer members and add some customisation. The title system should not just be trust dependant although that should be a factor so that good behaviour is rewarded in some way to promote responsibility.

[Edited on 04.13.2009 3:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: TOM T 117
I am pulling statistics out of my ass because I obviously don't have access to any but speaking generally it would be nicer to have a system that can include newer members and add some customisation. The title system should not just be trust dependant although that should be a factor so that good behaviour is rewarded in some way to promote responsibility.

I believe that may be the new design Achronos is working on for the trust system. :-)

  • 04.13.2009 3:32 PM PDT

Loose talk is noose talk.

We think the same thing, Achronos. Or we don't, and the things I have been thinking are so far from what you think that.... some metaphor happens.

In either case, I know what you think, but exactly what I think, its probably what we call now know how.

Posted by: Achronos
At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.

  • 04.13.2009 3:49 PM PDT

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

I know its sarcasm... and I know there are idiots that should be called out, but doing so doesn't solve the issue. In fact, there really isn't an issue. Some people see the title bars as a badge of honor, a chronological reference, or a toaster. Its all in what the user sees them as.

You'll get no complaint here... the bars to me are just a way to show what user's posts I should read and what user's posts will melt my eyes.
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There's a difference - I hope - between working for it, and feeling proud you earned that level. You can't slam anyone who feels pride because of their elevated level, that's not your place to judge.
Alright, calling an idiot anyone who somehow worked for the title was a mistake.

On the other hand, there's nothing to be earned, ergo, nothing to be proud of. How did I earn a Mythic title? I'm not sure, but I suppose my join date -over 4 years ago- and my small blacklist history helped. That's hard work right there, I'm so proud of myself.*

I don't come here to try to achieve a certain title, or get a status, as some kids refer to them; I come to B.net to have a good read, check my stats and help other players.

*Yes, that's sarcasm.

  • 04.13.2009 3:55 PM PDT

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  • 04.13.2009 3:56 PM PDT
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Achronos

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Posted by: Halcylon
I know its sarcasm... and I know there are idiots that should be called out, but doing so doesn't solve the issue. In fact, there really isn't an issue. Some people see the title bars as a badge of honor, a chronological reference, or a toaster. Its all in what the user sees them as.

You'll get no complaint here... the bars to me are just a way to show what user's posts I should read and what user's posts will melt my eyes.
Alright then! Friends? <3

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This is why I don't ban Mythix.

  • 04.13.2009 4:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
Arbitrary forum title is arbitrary. That being said, the way the trust system works, it is not trivial to remove the historical entry of the ban. I justify it by pointing out that most accidental bans are the result of you being very near to someone else who got banned, and the moderator deciding you were collateral damage.

At any rate, the way titles work now is rather inscrutable - kind of like the old Halo 3 melee system. Does its job, but appears random to you guys even if it is anything but. I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.

Interesting.

Any ideas on when you will be looking to implement the new system?

  • 04.13.2009 4:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Primum Agmen
A tosser is the same as a wanker. To toss oneself off is to fondle the trouser weasel.


Achronos

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Posted by: Skibur
This is why I don't ban Mythix.
Wait, weren't you the one who said: "I only look for blue bars"?

  • 04.13.2009 4:15 PM PDT

The past is irrelevent. The key is to upset as many people as possible in the present

  • 04.13.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Posted by: SonicJohn
For anyone considering titles to be "hard earned", please go outside.
I'll have you know I love my member title. I read it, and I realize that I am a member of the site.

  • 04.13.2009 4:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Old Skool Rob
Posted by: Achronos
I'm currently designing a replacement that will be more transparent and more interesting. Trust will still be a factor, but not the only one.

You really turned me on there. ;-)

I'll be thinking on what kind of design Achronos is going to make the trust system in the meantime.

I, as well, eagerly await this.... even though I don't expect to see it for a while.

  • 04.13.2009 4:31 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

I'm not changing the trust system at all. I like the current formula, it does what I want it to do. What I don't like is how the forum title system works. It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.

Posted by: Old Skool Rob
I believe that may be the new design Achronos is working on for the trust system. :-)

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Posted by: Achronos
I'm not changing the trust system at all. I like the current formula, it does what I want it to do. What I don't like is how the forum title system works. It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.

Ah, I see what you mean, Achronos. So you'll be working on something for the ranking system, not the trust system, alright. I'll be looking forward to that anyways..

  • 04.13.2009 5:05 PM PDT

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So could we expect more title fluctuations then? Or will it just effect the member prefix that we are able to earn?

Posted by: Achronos
I'm not changing the trust system at all. I like the current formula, it does what I want it to do. What I don't like is how the forum title system works. It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.

Posted by: Old Skool Rob
I believe that may be the new design Achronos is working on for the trust system. :-)

  • 04.13.2009 5:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
I'm not changing the trust system at all. I like the current formula, it does what I want it to do. What I don't like is how the forum title system works. It is too inscrutable and offers too little customization, and isn't that fun. There are better ways to get the same result of positive reinforcement that I expect from it.

Posted by: Old Skool Rob
I believe that may be the new design Achronos is working on for the trust system. :-)
Sounds really really interesting, can't wait to see it.

  • 04.13.2009 5:10 PM PDT

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